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PMSL! Another classic Abed et al thread.

Good luck with your 2x2s DB! And thanks to everyone who gave some suggestions for making your own weave poles. And GG thanks for the offer re the cheapie ones you mentioned to me earlier - I decided not to get them though as they aren't quite what I'm after. Thanks heaps though!

So glad I checked the thread! and that I was able to buy one straight away

Thanks for the heads up Ness! We desperately need to work on the tunnel. Daisy has no problem going through it if I stand and call her through it, but she can't do it on command. She hasn't worked out what the exercise is all about yet - my fault as we have only worked on the tunnel once very briefly in agility class! Just bought the tunnel :D And ordered it express post because... well... I'm impatient Hopefully it arrives before the weekend, I'll be back home in Brissy by then!

I sympathise with everyone - and dog - involved in attacks like these. It's horrible for everyone involved - the owner of the dead dog, the dog that had to die in such a horrific manner, and yes, the two huskies. It's not the dogs fault that they were saddled with an irresponsible owner, but they will now be the ones to take the blame for it (with their lives, most likely).

Goooo Kenzie! I knew you guys could do it What a great way to finish your birthday Sally. Well done! PS - There better be video!!!!!

Sounds like it would be best to have a consult with a good trainer, now, before the problem gets worse. It sounds like you haven't trained a reliable recall which is something a trainer can show you how to do. Dogs don't come with an inbuilt recall, that is something we need to put the time in to train. I agree with Sheena, what training have you done with him?

I guess for Sibes and Mallies eight years old is starting to get senior - Mish still looks like a dashing young dog though

You can contact Ann from Camp Tailwaggers for more details http://www.camptailwaggers.com.au/seminar.html We also have a thread in the training forum about it http://www.dolforums.com.au/index.php?show...=206134&hl=

Micha sounds exactly like Indy. It would be easier if he was in a degree of pain that made him not want to do things but as we manage it by not letting him exert himself too much he thinks he can still do all the things he wants to - he just pays for it that night or the next day. That's Micha all over. I could still run him over a set of jumps, or do any number of things that would be bad for his arthritis but he still loves doing, and he'd do it with gusto despite how bad it will be for him because he's still active and runs around the yard like an idiot every day. He has been getting a bit nervy and cautious lately though, he rarely wants to go upstairs (he's not allowed upstairs due to his arthritis, but sometimes goes half way to sit on the big stairwell, which he is almost scared to do now). He is terrified of getting in the hydrobath and I suspect it's because it's slippery and therefore hurts him to stand in it. And he can't go for as long a walk as he used to be able to - you can see him tiring by the thirty minute mark He's not that old - he's only eight!

I do more with Daisy, I can't deny it, she is the only one of my dogs I can do dog sports with and she is the youngest and most active one. Cherry is too old now at 12 to do all the things Daisy does, and Micha simply can't now with his arthritis and he can be DA so there are places I simply won't take him for his own benefit. Cherry doesn't mind so much as she loves having 'alone time' but it kills me with Mish as he has always been a social and active dog. I have always walked the dogs separately so that has never been a problem but I do feel guilty sometimes because I do SO much more with Daisy. I try to even it out by taking Mish out on his own, dedicating time to train and play with him etc. If I am taking Daisy somewhere sometimes I give him a pigs ear or something when we are leaving, though he doesn't have any separation anxiety and doesn't seem bothered when we do go somewhere.

If you are interested in doing TID, K9 Pro will be in Brisbane in February for a workshop at Camp Tailwaggers. Definitely consider coming along if you'd like to know more!

I don't feed rice at all because IMO it is a filler and not something my dogs need in their diet (I don't tend to feed any grains at all). I feed a mixture of the Canine Country BARF rolls; http://www.caninecountry.com.au/ And raw meaty bones, lots of muscle meat like heart, tinned sardines and mackeral, raw eggs, natural yoghurt, vegies, fruit etc. Though not all in the same meal obviously - I aim for a balanced diet over the course of the week rather than each day. So one day they may have RMBs, one day they may have heart, the next day a BARF patty - which is a complete meal - etc.

We feed a raw diet, although Cherry eats Eaglepack Holistic dried food (as well as some raw etc) due to allergies. And sometimes if we run out of raw we feed the big dogs some of the EPH.

Congrats everyone Pax, can you move up to Brisbane and open a boarding kennel here??

Cool thanks Julie!

Quick question from me. I haven't been doing any training lately as I'm in WA on holidays, but when I get back to Brissy in early Jan I really want to work on our 2x2s. Is there a cheap and/or easy way to make weave poles? I can borrow some from agility club but obviously club has closed down over the summer break.

Thanks for the reminder Julie! I sent some nominations in back in August, but I don't think anyone I nominated has been notified yet. How do we know when they are notified?

LOL yes you definitely can, it's how I send Steve my really really bad video updates

Hi Christine It's easiest to put them on youtube, but you can select to make them 'unlisted' which means unless you give someone the direct link for each video, no one else can see them ETA: http://www.google.com/support/youtube/bin/...p;answer=181547 BTW - I hope you come and join us in the DLP chat thread on facebook! http://www.facebook.com/#!/topic.php?u...2&topic=105

Hi RL IMO, Sibes can be difficult compared to other breeds especially for the average owner. They are strong willed and stubborn and not naturally biddable. But how difficult they are to train largely depends on what methods you are using to train them, what your goals are (i.e. what you want to achieve) and how experienced the owner is. I find my Siberian miles easier to train than my beagle. He's quite prey and food driven. Sibes are definitely naturally prey driven. They need very good fencing as they can be escape artists, they need consistent training from day one and they need quite a bit of mental and physical exercise. I don't know how much 'easier' they are compared to Samoyeds, but the Sammies I've met do tend to be more laid back than Sibes (though they still have all the typical spitz traits). ETA: I find my Siberian a joy to live with and train, he is just a pleasure, he is a lovely natured dog but I do like a challenge and I enjoy his more "special" traits as that makes it more interesting for me.

Well, duh. But does it carry the same risk of injury that a tool like a head collar can? There's nothing permanent about it, if the behaviour still exists when the tool is not being used. The actual behaviour still exists. The only reason the dog stops pulling when the tool is being used is because the tool is aversive and the dog is trying to avoid a correction/discomfort. But going by your logic, it's ok if the dog is constantly being corrected, caused discomfort and in some instances pain, for the rest of its life. Well, for one, the reason I outlined in my post above. It's not the best option for the dog to be forced to wear a tool that isn't even being used properly and in many instances, is not even fitted properly, for the rest of its life, when there are other options. OF COURSE it's better that the dog is being walked, but you asked why it mattered or why it was an issue in the first place. There ARE problems that can and do arise from a tool being fitted or used incorrectly, ask any reputable trainer who actually has experience with a number of dogs and they will tell you that dogs can and do learn to pull on any tool. I've seen dogs pulling on head collars, prongs, check chains. Every time the owner tries a new tool and fails because the dog learns to pull on it, the owner becomes more and more defeated, and the dog because that bit more resistant to training.

Me either. I don't think it is a shame that people are taught to train LLW with tools. I think the alternative didn't work very well and I'm just glad people have options that at least get their dogs out there being walked. I don't think it's a big deal if a dog never learns to walk on leash without those tools. Who cares? If that's what those people find acceptable and they are walking their dogs, just, who freaking cares? When are those tools not going to be available? I think it's kind of hypocritical to grump about people relying on tools. What's a flat collar and leash? I don't think anyone objects to people using tools, but is it ideal for a dog to be walked on one its entire life when with a bit of training, the tool can be used to teach the dog to walk on a loose leash instead of putting a bandaid on the problem? If the dog pulls when you take the tool off, it hasn't been taught anything. I also hate to see the people who buy tools like head collars and whack them on their dogs with no understanding on how to use the tool properly. I find it awful to see dogs in head collars madly scratching at their faces to get them off, rolling on the ground trying to remove them, having the strap ride up into their eyes etc. And being subjected to wearing the tool that clearly causes them serious discomfort for the rest of their life because their owner doesn't understand how to use it properly. Not to mention the damage wearing a tool like a head collar all its life can do to the dog in a chiropractic sense. Dogs can learn to pull on any tool, which is what happens when people rely on the tool instead of actually using it to train their dog.

I'm a flat collar and leash gal (Mish is on a martingale though because his head is so narrow). I have no problem with training tools when used properly but hate seeing them used as bandaids.

I can think of a few working line GSD's that might change your mind about old school training Huski Not jumping on the leash as the OP described, that's old school abuse, but hard dogs don't mind a good correction and will often pull them into line instantly and solve a problem that other methods can take weeks to condition. Some working dogs will give you the finger on the basis that strength and power over the handler is fun for the dog, they will seriously laugh at you trying to manage them sometimes. Trainers don't correct these types of dogs, use prong collars and Ecollars to be old school, some dogs need that type of training as it's the only foundation work they respect But I'm not implying that 'old school' means giving a correction. I'm talking about the old fashioned obedience classes that march people and their dogs up and down the paddock for an hour. The exact same kind of training that will tell people on the first night to line their dogs up at heel position, step off and give the dog a leash correction as soon as they walk in front of them. THAT is old fashioned training and we know better nowadays which is why none of the top triallers I know use train their competition dogs in those kinds of classes. I am NOT saying using corrections or check chains or prongs or e-collars are old fashioned/old school at all. But I am awfully tired of you pedalling out the same old arguments in each thread, aren't you bored yet???