Bilbo Baggins

If you had a doctor who tried to force his anti vaccination/anti abortion on you you would go elsewhere.

:D :D :rofl: Sorry thats so sad I'd cry if I did not laugh. There was a thread about this awhile I go, it may even have been deleted. Yep look elsewhere.

Unfortunately with burns its a very rocky road to recovery. But most ICU's around Australia learnt a hell of a lot from the Bali Bombing and this has influenced burn management. to Jed and family fur and skin.

Now Group *dol* has 225 candles from 6 countries

Great getting it sorted so quickly.

Okay bit clearer now. I thought about putting the price in my DOL ad for the last litter but realized no one else did so did not. I will discuss it on Sunday and get back to you.

That is a good point Shaar. In my other breed, White Shepherds, I learnt so much from the breeder of my girl and am still learning, even about cavs. The other day I clothes dryer fixit man expressed an interest in getting a cav. I told him to keep my number and I will talk to him when he is ready. Not necessarily sell him a pup as I may not have any, but put him on the right tram. ETA. I also point people to other breeders when I do not have pups or do not have the right colour.

That may have occurred Shaar, but in my discussions with prospective buyers I go through all that.

Speaking of work, i drove this morning in peak hour traffic How the hell do people do that every day! I estimated people would spend 4-8hours week driving to and from work! Following my directions you did better than last week. :rofl: ;) ;)

Speaking of work, i drove this morning in peak hour traffic How the hell do people do that every day! I estimated people would spend 4-8hours week driving to and from work! Following my directions you did better than last week. :rofl: ;) ;)

I am going with my sister no dogs, I will have to socialise.

Oh bring the the reverse order occasionally. C for cav is always first no sleep in. I get up earlier on the weekend than I do for work.

I had not thought about putting a price on the website,when it gets up and running I do not havea problem with people asking the price upfront, it does sort the wheat from the chaff. Its the conversation that flows that is important. If they baulk at the price then they are not going to be interested in other information. Price upfront is better than a 1/2 chat and then disappearing when price mentioned.

That kind of attitude is why pet shops do such a roaring trade. Aww shucks, thankyou for making me feel lower than dirt for wanting my puppies to go to good homes where the people know exactly what to expect from their chosen breed. I really appreciate that. I think you may have taken GayleK's comment the wrong way.

Toohey thanks for the news. Kendall we do do all need to take stock.

I recall seeing a cav road test, about the only thing he got right was the going price at the time.

:rofl: :rofl: ;) Loved to have seen that.

The response of changing the Avatar has been amazing. Others like me have put it in the siggie.

Pockets this so sad. :rofl: to irresponsible neighbours. Did you bring him to Kepala one time???

Donation made on behalf of White Shepherd Rescue.

My vet always puts the mums on antibiotics post delivery for 7 days.

Now that is probably very significant Tris, the pre birth condition of the mother. Nature allows for them to fatten up then produce milk and feed the pups. A debilitated mother would have starved the pups inutero and would have low supply because they would be so ravenous post birth.

Collection of semen-$500+petrol and 2 days off work semen implantation for 2 bitches =1400 + 3 days off travel backwards and forwards sunday night c-section for one-loss of 1 pups=$1000 for c-section,8 pups alive that developed severe infection due to dead pup,lost 4 ($5600+$300 in vet bills for deceased pups) other bitch -post whelping x-ray/abs-$250 I pup mauled by other bitch at 6 weeks-loss of $1400+$600 in vet bills trying to save it. vaccination,m/c for 16 pups =$1040 feed bill for both litters over 8 weeks($150 per week by 5 weeks just for pups)$800 extra electricity fo rheat lamps-$450 travel 300 kms by 4 to deliver pups to airport+petrol registrations-$300+ puppy packs by 10=$100 worming etc-$120 kept 2 pups to run on=$3000 in no sale 1 pup sent off on payment scheme(paid for 6 mths later) the $2000 profit i sort of had went on another stud The above doesnt include all misc. expenses,more time off work,3 days in sydney to send one to NZ, nor does it include health testing fo r 3 dogs over the next year,or the 8 desexing rebates($250-300 each). So it looks like i do it for the love of it,cause i dont make any significant profit. I dont have a problem with breeders that do,they are entitled to it though.So please dont say all breeders make a profit. Centitout you missed one thing, I think you resigned coz it was too difficult to work and raise the pups.

I have never tried solids before 4 weeks. When they start some are straight into it others are not. I use soaked puppy biscuits mixed with Pedigree puppy.

I beleive this post by Jed says it all. QUOTE "From time to time the question arises of whether breeders make a profit or not. Who cares? Obviously someone does, or they wouldn't ask. Why? I have no idea. Is it wrong to make a profit? Is it right? I never respond from a personal point of view. I have no idea whether I make a profit or not. I care for the dogs, spend whatever needs to be spent, and sell the pups for the average price. Sometimes things don't go well, and it costs more than I get back. Sometimes the income from the pups is more than the cost of getting them. That's life. I don't keep records of income and expenditure. If I wanted to know, I would probably work it out, and I would probably find that over a year I was covering the costs. I don't worry too much about it. The profits are not in the money in the bank. But there are huge profits, for me, from keeping and breeding dogs. The profits are in seeing happy, glossy dogs playing in the garden, waggy tails and wide smiles when I come home from work. In constant smiling companionship. The pleasure of grooming them, or stroking them, or playing with them. They don't care what's on TV, they never complain if I am home late, they never fret or sulk if I don't have as much time tonight as I had last night. That confiding little nose pushed under my arm at night, that little body curled at my feet. The profts are in seeing the little mummies so thrilled with and proud of their babies. Proud, strutting daddy dogs thinking they rule the world. Seeing little pups grow into nice dogs that I can be proud of as a breeder; each one special, unique, never to be repeated, and loved for his own little self for the short time he is here. Seeing gentle adult dogs playing with babies in the garden, running, jumping, chasing - then falling in an untidy heap - instantly asleep. The profits are in the diversity, yet the similarity in the breed, the profits are in calling one of the 4th generation home bred, and realising I have the wong dog - because my dogs are now a line, and resemble each other. Those little insensate hairy newborn blobs turning into real dogs, barking, running, playing, going cheerfully off to new homes with never a backward glance, as I wipe away whatever it is that got in my eye. The profits are in the photos and letters I get back from puppy buyers, sometimes for years, sometimes for the life of the dog. The profits are in sorting out any problems so the dog has a lifetime home. The profits are in encountering a new problem - veterinary, training, whatever - and finding the solution, and learning more so I can be a better breeder from the experience. The profits are in studying the bloodllines and the type in my yard, and scheming and plotting and planning how to improve them - and doing more research. The profits are in good friends, always ready with good advice, or an understanding shoulder. Who else but a breeder would understand the grief that losing a day old pup brings? Or a stillborn? Or an eagerly awaited preganacy which doesn't evenuate. Or losing an oldie - your "regular" friends say "it's only a dog, and an old one at that", but your breeder friends understand you have lost your friend, your easy companion who never needed calling, because she knew where to be when, never needed a hard word, because she understood how things worked as well as you did - the great-grandmother of the pup which is winning for someone; or the grandmother of some little kid's nice pet; they understand you have lost part of your history, and they grieve with you. The profits are in the ones you keep, the pleausre in training them, in having them, in enjoying them, in seeing them as good canine citizens, growing old in easy companionship, lying by your feet. The profits are in seeing a beautiful dog - whether mine or not - which fills my eye, and gives me pleasure, just by existimg, and being his own individual, special doggy person. Those are the profits for me. I don't know whether I make monetary profit or not, and I don't care - as long as there is enough for our needs, I am happy. If you make some money, why not? You certainly wont keep breeding if you are going bankrupt, and then the puppy farms will be able to sell more pups. And if enough breeders go bankrupt, the gene pool will be so reduced, it will be impossible to buy a healthy registered pup. and that's a bad thing."