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If my dog was lost and kept in someones backyard I would never get him back as 1 they would never get his breed correct and also would the finder take him in to be scanned for a microchip? Who would be responsible if he got out of their yard/he bit one of the people/if he attacked their pet or vise versa/who would pay for his food etc/what if he was injured/what if he caught a disease from their animals or vise versa? If he went missing I would automatically go to pounds, ring vets etc would I be expected to check everyones house too? It may sound like a nice theory but there are major complications that could arise including legal implications for all involved.

I understand peoples emotive hatred of pet shops but what equally annoys me is that people don't mind unsuspecting families visiting their local shelter and feeling sorry for the cute, unsocialised, undernourished GSD x Rotti (as per other example) or any other cross and taking it home. Just because it is sitting behind bars, rather than glass doesn't make it any more appropriate to be purchased on the spur of the moment. And yes I have been there when the families have come in for a Sunday drive and left with a completely unsuitable new pet only for it to come back 6 months later when the novelty wears off. One positive step in the new SA Legislations is the following - This covers Shelters and Pet Shops (am going to check about breeders though) That the information to be provided by vendors should be expanded to include the following requirements: • any particular species requirements or characteristics, which may impact on an animal’s welfare and suitability in the intended home; • any particular breed requirements or characteristics which may impact on an animal’s welfare and suitability in the intended home; • any individual requirements or characteristics such as the reason that a pervious owner is selling or has surrendered the animal; • that the vendor must not misrepresent the breed of the animal and must not withhold any pertinent information; and • that this information be provided to all purchasers. This may help prevent places from misrepresenting breeds if say for example a store sells a pup as a purebred Sharpei and it is clearly a cross, but proving it may be difficult unless DNA testing is done.

The sun shining out of the sellers a$$ Also dogs/puppies that are quarantined for illness wouldn't get exercised for risk of spreading infection but not exercising them is breach of Legislation. The document needs to be more detailed to incorporate these things

This legislation will also cover rescue shelters etc and I know that they are not all exercised out of their pens at least 3 x daily each for half an hour. I have contacted PIAA to voice my "unappreciation" as a member of not being kept informed of the process as we (Pet stores) were not involved in any discussions but they as a group were represented. I am annoyed that this is my area in the Industry and it was the perfect opportunity to make a contribution and I feel incredibly let down especially as I only found out about it through this site. Changes in Legislation very rarely get done and I feel that it should be utilised to the fullest so that positive steps forward are made. Ok rant over, pregnancy hormones back under control

My very worst memory of working in a major SA Shelter is of a white greyhound called ICY, who had never raced and was a pet. He was the sweetest, most gentle boy I ever met and he didn't deserve to die. He was handed over for some reason and back then they euthed all greyhounds, all of us staff rallied for him but in the end the Shelter Manager and CEO euthed him themselves anyway. It was a callous, horrible experience one that will haunt me forever.

Perse I still miss my old black/yellow canary "Chienka", his singing made me smile everytime I heard him (and I would laugh every time he would become romantic with his little plastic bird friend). Our tears fall for the soul that we have lost not the size of the body that they encompassed. Sweet dreams Nary, may your songs brighten up the bridge for those gone but not forgotten

There has been a email posted on a public site stating that they gave the dog away, making a false police report would only serve to get them in trouble. They state on this website that the dog was rehomed also. Whether or not the guy was an opportunistic a** hole is not in question, clearly he is but he is not a criminal regarding selling this dog after lawfully taking possession of it. Edited to add if the new owners are found they could contact Consumer Affairs for him misrepresenting the dogs age as they did not get what they paid for

The problem is that the dog was rehomed by the breeder, the new owner can do as they like with it. Reporting the dog as missing with the microchip is not accurate as the breeder acknowledges giving the dog away. I completely sympathise with the breeder and the purchaser has bought a dog on false information (age etc) and I hope that the breeder only wishes to make contact with them to inform them of that and not retrieve "the lost" dog. If the person takes the dog to a vet or he goes missing and it is returned to the breeder then that is not fair on the person who handed over a lot of money to purchase him. I hope he was rehomed desexed so that he doesn't end up as a byb stud. Not a nice situation all round but it serves to show that you should get the new owners of "give away ex breeders" to sign a contract saying that they will take the dog back if it is to be rehomed. I understand this wouldn't have any legal bearing but may serve as a reminder to the adoptee that the breeder has first option if the home doesn't work out.

I had this talk with OH the other day actually, Jake would be fine staying at home with OH but my little old pom cross would be pts as she is old, has a heart murmur, separation anxiety and does not cope with strangers in the house even when they visit. My OH tolerates her but doesn't like her (if that makes sense, she was mine before we met), he would never be mean to her at all and she knows he will always give her food off his plate (I won't), but it wouldn't be a quality life for her. She doesn't adapt well to change - car rides, vet visits etc etc infact my son is nearly 8 and she has only just started voluntarily going up to him for a pat.

I agree with you WnH horses are very reactionary and the travelling, handling and smells of the abbatoirs would set off a lot of horses. Many hacks would never have even seen or heard sheep/cattle before and this could distress them further and I can pretty much imagine the people slaughtering them wouldn't have the horses state of mind as their priority. This is why my large animals are euthed and buried on the property, unfortunately many people don't have that option which is why I if I was in that situation I would get the zoo to come out and put them down on my property and then take the body back for processing.

Danielle if you wear your flame suit can I stand next to you because I am really, really cold I think you showed you were concerned about the dog and your friend, most people turn a blind eye or their back these days and you put your hand up and asked for advice

Well Jake is laying on the floor farting, his dad is laying on the couch doing the same. They could have saved their research dollars

I couldn't work it out for the life of me, so Iltby made mine but I heard she has left DOL In the Photos thread there is a section where you can ask people to make one for you

The human race has a lot to be ashamed of, we are responsible for bringing animals (and children) into this world and we let them down time and time again. For all of the good things we think we do you just have to turn on the tele, open a newspaper or look on the internet to realise that we are the cause of a lot of unnecessary pain. Danielle, I hope your friends do the right thing by the pup, their child, themselves and society, it is a hard decision to make and I wish them well

A simple sign that says "No Unauthorised Entry, Dogs on Premises" is sufficient that way unless they are allowed onto the property they are tresspassing and you are advising that there are dogs on the property. You are not saying that they are dangerous or bite, merely that they are there. Or you can get a Garden Ghost can which has a movement detector on the outside of the gate so if anyone comes close to the gate, it sprays and they crap their pants - No one hurt just dirty undies

The problem with taking it to the vet is highlighted, if the new owners can't handle it how are they supposed to transport it? Some options are just not viable with the new owners by the sounds of it. For example - if this dog is transported it would probably need 2 people to do so, what about the child in the car? Could one parent transport/handle the dog at the vets? How would it go in a crate, would it be more fearful especially when trying to get it out again? It isn't as simple as saying take it to the vet, these are people that have been bitten and Danielles friend is scared of it - not a good mix when handling this type of dog either. I agree professional advice is needed with someone coming out to the friends property to do the assessment and then a decision can be made in everyones best interests.

I'm sorry kelpiegirl10, I mean no disrespect but I do not agree with that statement. There are many situations where I do not believe that animals deserve a second chance, it may or not be the dogs fault that their first chance at life was bad but there are certainly situations that do not warrant second chances. No matter how much we want to help animals, or how much we love them rehabilitation for some issues just doesn't work unless you are highly experienced or knowledgable. While I believe that condemning a dog to be PTS with what has been written seems harsh (and may be premature) we are talking about a fear reactive, young working dog that the breeder of the dog has even wiped their own hands of. Is it the dogs fault - no, can the dog be rehabilitated - possibly in the right home/situation. The horrid reality is that the right home for this dog would be very difficult to find and the one that suffers in the meantime is the animal. living a life based in a fearful state is not something that I would be comfortable with, there comes a time where quality of life is more important than life itself. I love my animals, they are my world and most of them are rescues but I have to consider what is best for them, not for me when I make important decisions and if I have to make a difficult one then I have to live with it.

Dont need to tell me that, lol, my super quiet, trustworthy, reliable old gelding near on killed me on Sunday. Riding him at a canter, he busts into a gallop and started bucking like a wild bronco! LOL! Poor old me sailed thru the air and landed hard on my hip. Havent been able to walk properly since.....lol, hubbys been trying to get me to a dr all this week...unsucessfully of course! A little OT but my darling sweet gentle male emu has decide he is a mean, lean humping machine so if anything and I mean anything (human, chicken, kangaroo etc) stands still for more than 2 seconds he is "all aboard". Whenever I get the slightest bit complacent with any of my animals and start thinking of them as anything other than what they are is when accidents happen, my OH thinks I am paranoid when it comes to them - I prefer to call it responsible

Sorry another with the PTS option is probably best, giving her away may nullify the guilt of having her PTS but what about the guilt if she bites another child in the new home? It is cruel to move an unsocialised, terrified pup around from home to home and I honestly understand how your friend would prefer a happy ending, but in this case the reality of that sounds very minimal.

A friend of mine had a young horse that killed her elderly chihuahua, he was very highly strung apparently and trod on her in front of the owner. This horse had been around the dogs before and the chihuahua was minding her own business when he came up and looked at the owner and then just picked up his hoof and squashed her . My horses are very good with animals, even the stallions but you can never trust them they are an animal after all and we can't predict their behaviours. My bull camel will jump up and down on his front feet trying to squash anything new in his paddock so I am always extra vigilant that no animals or people can get in without me taking precautions. My donkeys are very territorial and they will charge the neighbours dogs when they come onto the property, donkeys are great for fox protection too

One of the problems I see is that there is no accountability when people give "facts" and the credibility of processes get damaged because of it. One example of this is the "honourable, non agenda making" Hugh Wirth at the meeting and the RSPCA getting caught out fudging the figures that have been disclosed to the media – Dr Wirth stated in the Melbourne Age that 57% of dogs are sold through pet shops – it was pointed out by a RSPCA staffer that the question asked of the public was “where did you purchase your pet from” – this include all pets including fish. So how can anything be expected to be taken seriously when sensationalism is the key objective, not truth or the real way forward.

You can't get camel?? Horses, Camels, Goats & Donkey ;) I hope Jake doesn't read this otherwise he may start free range feeding My concern with horse meat would also be the drugs that have been used in them. I know a breeder that would get a horse carcass and chuck it to her Pigs and Great Danes, it was foul. Many horses end up at the Zoo (the zoo comes out and puts them down on your property) to feed to the big cats, these are normally loved pets that are at the end of our lives, but again it is a risk to the cats if they have been getting medicated before being put down

Bullets are not expensive, if animals are starving and there is no forseaable positive outcome those poor creatures should have been put out of their misery. I have friends that work at the SA RSPCA and they were gutted about what happened, these are the front line people, not the ones in the Office. But as they say the rich get richer and I am sure not a cent will be spent on the welfare of their animals I can only hope that Karma exists and the people that knowingly allowed these animals to literally starve to death will be around when it comes full circle. Whether you like the RSPCA or not the only victims in this case were innocent animals whose only purpose was to make their owners money. Karma deserves to give a visit to the ex RSPCA staffer that messed this case up also in my opinion too. No one cared about their wellbeing or health only the mighty dollar. I understand these were not pets, we are farmers also but I could not sleep at night knowing that I was the cause of animals starving and dying.

No one can say that these cows were treated well Cows Cruelty Case

I googled Michael Linke and must say I was very impressed by what he has tried to achieve within his role