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I am truly sorry Monelite as I know from reading your posts that Rex was your best friend. I generally stay out of the Rainbow Bridge thread as it breaks my heart as I start to think of my heart boy Chief and the pain is overwhelming but I was drawn here today and I am so sorry for the pain you are enduring.

From the Referall Centre Website- Surgery Dr Penny Tisdall BSc(Vet), BVSc, MVetClinStuds, FACVScDr Mark Tonzing BVSc(Hons), MSCVSc(SA Surgery), MRCVS When Does Your Pet Need a Referral Surgeon ? Although the majority of surgical cases can be managed by veterinarians in general practice, unusual or complex cases may require more specialised or time-consuming procedures which may be difficult to provide in a busy general practice setting. Also, just as in medical practice, veterinarians in general practice occasionally feel that a second opinion would be of assistance to them with respect to the diagnosis and / or management of a particular case. What Does an Appointment Involve ? Prior to an appointment, your local veterinarian will discuss the case with the surgeon and/or forward relevant records, including radiographs and laboratory results if appropriate. A routine first consultation lasts around thirty minutes and involves initial examination of the patient, followed by a full discussion of the problem, including the likely prognosis. At this time, owners are also provided with an estimate of the fees which would apply. Surgical Procedures ◦Orthopaedic surgery - such as fracture repair and revision of problem fractures, bone grafting, management of developmental orthopaedic disease and joint surgery, including fusion and hip replacement. ◦Neurosurgery - frequently indicated following spinal fracture or disc rupture, or to allow management of tumours affecting the nervous system. ◦Cancer surgery - in recent years, there have been dramatic advances in the surgical management of cancer. These developments allow removal of many previously inoperable tumours. Adjunctive chemotherapy or radiotherapy is frequently of great value, before or after such surgery, and may also be recommended. Monah OT did you find somewhere in Adelaide yet?

It is a testament to how well they were trained, my camels will chase and kick neighbours dogs if they come into my yard. For them to not at least try to bolt under such an attack suprises me. Poor babies and I bet those tourists were absolutely terrified

I am horribly shy but I am sure after a while I will warm up to you guys in the waiting room as I know that we are all here for the same reason - faith in the human spirit and appreciation of Jed's courage

Better pray that the vomit and poo wasn't from a pup that was sick and the new owner doesn't have any other dogs if it was - poor puppy

I didn't think registered breeders could sell pups without papers They are just lucky that the pup didn't take off or bowl a kid over.

When I rang up the RSPCA to ask about a case that another DOLer reported I was told that the Inspector had up to 2 weeks to complete a report and they could only give that information to the person that reported it. I would ring tomorrow and ask for a Senior Inspecttor, give them the details and request that it is followed up and you are contacted immediately with the findings.

I have said the Council is at fault see my quotes "I have no doubt there has been a major stuff up and it needs to be dealt with " "Absolutely criticise the Council for their major, major f#!k up but also remember that it shouldn't have been there for the mistake to be made, another innocent animal dies because of human negligence" " I would be looking at what recourse I could take against the Council" "No excuse for the mixup" "I would be looking at what recourse I could take against the Council" But again it was an unnecessary impoundment and the mix up happened 4 DAYS after they were notified that he had been impounded. I am sure the Council weren't just bored and decided to pop over to their house to seize their dog, there would have been a reason - eg complaints, dangerous dog requirements follow ups etc. If my dog had been put down "accidently" by Council all hell would break loose I can tell you but I know that he wouldn't be sitting there for 4 days for it to happen either. Not that it is anything to do with this case but I thought that Councils only had to hold animals for 72 hours and then they could legally euth. It is hard to get all of the info from one article as newspapers aren't generally known for posting "accurate" information but the end story is still very upsetting for pet lovers and hopefully this never happens again. I'm sorry but I do think that it is a disgusting chain of events that led to a dog dying but the owners should have protected the dog from being seized in the first instance.

I think the abbreviation FF (foster failure) needs to be changed to forever family, you know he's a poodle Loraine and once they are on your lap and bed they are in your life forever

It is about time that dog owners took responsibilty for their own animals safety and well being and not wait for tragedies to occur where the animal is the one that invariably suffers. I have no doubt there has been a major stuff up and it needs to be dealt with but again it comes back to the dog shouldn't have been in the pound in the first instance. What about the people whose dog was bitten by it last year for it to be declared dangerous I am sure they would be upset knowing that after their dog was attacked the owners hadn't finished the enclosure, they are just lucky another innocent dog or person hadn't been bitten. Absolutely criticise the Council for their major, major f#!k up but also remember that it shouldn't have been there for the mistake to be made, another innocent animal dies because of human negligence

No excuse for the mixup, but if the dog was declared dangerous last year they would have been given guidelines including the erection of the pen which at least 5 months later was not completed? The yard was considered inadequate and the dog seized am I reading that right? The dog was in the pound for four days before it was euthanased, if it was me and the reason my beloved pet was seized was because I hadn't finished the roof I would spend day and night fixing it to get him home. I understand that they must be devastated but it couldn't have happened if they had fixed the enclosure months ago. I would be looking at what recourse I could take against the Council but they haven't been reponsible either and if they were the enclosure would have been done. RIP poor doggie

There is something very very wrong with this and it makes you start to notice other things you didn't before. Did you know that unless you have written paperwork from your vet that you HAVE APPROVAL FROM THE VET TO NOT vaccinate your dogs and cats for distemper,hepatitis,parvovirus and canine cough [for dogs] feline enteritis and feline respiratory disease [for cats] as per MANUFACTURERS recommendations that you are breaking the law? NSW LAW BREEDING DOGS AND CATS section 8.2.1.6. :D That is what I mean so many different laws that are so confusing, if you went through every law and had a list of what you had to do or couldn't do then your head would spin. I am not saying that I personally agree with the statement but as a lawyer has told me about an unrelated issue many people do not see ignorance as an excuse and as you have shown there are many "laws" that we wouldn't even be aware of.

I agree the vet is completely in the wrong if they performed the op without the paperwork and I feel for the owner, but my point is that while I hope that the powers that be see that as a reasonable excuse for going ahead with the procedure they also may find the owner to be the easy target. And as I said their are so many contradicting laws that you need a degree in debarking how many times have people been prosecuted for things that they were unaware was illegal, it would be more common place than we would think. I believe there should be info sheets given to people when they register their dogs about the laws on microchipping, desexing, debarking, restricted breeds etc - not full on legal jargon but basic points that direct pet owners to the appropriate sources.

I am not saying that I agree with it but when we are faced with being fined/prosecuted etc it does comes down to the powers that be saying that ignorance of the law is no excuse for non compliance. I think that there are too many agencies with too many contradicting laws/bylaws/codes of conduct which makes the normal consumer very confused as to what their responsibilities are.

I think the issue is two fold firstly it is up to the owner to find out the laws and secondly if the vet did not follow procedure/laws they are also responsible. If the vet had to be presented with a stat dec then they would need to keep a copy for future refernce to cover themselves as they performed the op. Even though I may not agree with the logic it is the same as someone saying "Well I didn't know it was illegal to own and breed pitbulls or I didn't know that I wasn't allowed to drive home drunk". They are over the top examples but I think it comes down to us (legally) finding out what rules there is.

Some states do not allow the use of static's (SA), some now have lavender- you know to correct and then calm the dog

Yes but he paid for a registered pup so shouldn't he be entitled to the papers to prove he got what he paid for? Not at all suggesting that he didn't.

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Rubric, if you use the same vet then they must live locally and you should have their address for the papers to be sent so perhaps instead of ringing them write a letter and keep a copy, request all contact be kept to written only.

Rubric, I would be going in to talk to the vet personally. The guy knew that you had other sick puppies clearly that information must have been passed on at the clinic which is confidential information about you. They denied saying it which he may have stretched the truth but he knew you had sick puppies. They told you that the puppy wasn't as sick as yours again confidentiality as legally they own it and can't pass that info onto you. He may not have taken the "dead" puppy to the vet, they may have buried or disposed of it so you may find it difficult proving it had died. Had you sent off the papers to transfer ownership yet? To the breeders - if someone has paid for a puppy, can Dogs Victoria just take the word of the breeder to say it died? What would happen if the puppy owner then challenged that and formally requested the papers be done and the breeder supplied them with the change of ownership? Not saying this is what is happening, the opposite has been said ie the dog is dead, but down the track if he had a similiar pup and no microchip was implanted in the original then what is stopping them from stirring trouble as they did pay for a registered pup.

Rubric I am not suggesting that you have done the wrong thing at all, but I am trying to see it from different points of view. If it was my puppy I would have done anything possible to find out what was wrong and have the puppy treated. When I bought my pup my breeder supplied me with copies of papers for my reference, he was microchipped and even though it took a long time to get his actual papers I felt assured as I had the copies of the others. From a new owners point of view if I read the Breed Clubs website I would have started to get little niggly concerns due to some of it's content. It is a horrible tragedy as a breeder and an owner and I am sure that you want to handle it as best as you can minimising everyones stress levels. If my posts have offended you I am sorry but they are comments I have found just by taking 5 minutes googling and if I can find them I can imagine what angry or upset puppy buyers can find. People in emotional states can make irrational decisions (again not at all suggesting you) and that it why I think it would be best to come to a solution without causing you further anxiety. As I said I do not breed, I have the support and knowledge base of a wonderful breeder and to me that is vital for me to help with the life long care of my dog and my chosen breed. I would though ask for written confirmation from the vet that the pup has died so that when you contact DogsVictoria you have actual confirmation. If you have done the paperwork and have transferred ownership into their names, would Dogs Victoria take your word for the pup being deceased? Just an honest query

Off the Amstaff Club of Victoria website 7 Questions To Ask A Breeder 1. Ask the breeder if they are selling the puppies with ANKC registration papers If the answer is no or if it is dependant on price then look elsewhere. Never buy an Amstaff without pedigree papers or from a breeder who sells dogs without papers. 2. Ask the breeder if the puppies will come microchipped, vaccinated, and de-wormed Every puppy sold should be sold with a microchip for identification, with full vaccinations and de-wormed. You should receive the puppies vet card detailing its previous vaccinations and when it is due for the next one. This is very important as a young puppy that is not vaccinated is at serious risk of contracting diseases such as Canine Parvovirus which is often fatal. The microchip is also very important as it can allow identification by any vet or animal control officer if your dog is lost at any stage during its life. 3. Ask the breeder about the sire and dam’s temperament Are they laid back dogs? Or are they very active dogs with high drives? A prospective puppy buyer should aim to find a puppy with a temperament and personality that is suitable for their lifestyle. The temperament of the puppy’s parents can be a good indicator of how the pup may turn out. 4. Ask to view the parents The breeder should allow you to view the parents or at least the dam if they have used a stud from out of town. 5. Ask if the breeder has done any health testing on the sire and dam? Health testing will not guarantee the pups are free from defects but it will give a good indication of the likelihood so the buyer can make an informed decision. The sire and dam should be tested for cerebellar ataxia and hip and elbow screened at the least, although cardiac, eye and thyroid tests are also highly recommended, among others. The breeder should be willing to show the prospective buyer the results. 6. Ask the breeder what they hope to achieve from this breeding Someone who is breeding for the betterment of the breed will have carefully planned their litter and will have a specific outcome in mind. They may be looking to improve certain areas of their dogs appearance - for example they may be hoping to improve their topline or reduce the height of their dogs - or they may be aiming to improve the temperament such as increasing their working drives. If a breeder has no answer to this question then it is a sign they may be breeding for money or ego and thus you should look elsewhere. 7. Ask the breeder how many litters they have produced One of the biggest problems faced by the pure bred dog community are “puppy farmers”. Puppy farmers are breeders who produced high number of litters and sell them to anyone who has the money without caring where the pups end up. Their primary motivation for breeding is to make money. If the breeder is breeding a large number of litters per year then this is cause for concern. The American Staffordshire Terrier is not a breed for everyone and so the breeder should be very concerned about where their pups are placed. It is common for breeders to ask potential puppy buyers many questions as it shows they care about the breed and what happens to the future of their puppies. Maybe they are dodgy but maybe they are concerned that they have bought an unmicrochipped puppy that they haven't received papers for also. I am certainly not supporting them but after reading that I would ask questions also if it was me. I understand that legally you are not obliged to microchip them but surely it is strongly recommended especially if the breed Club promotes it. Did you supply them with a copy of the papers or the parents papers when they collected the pups? If it was me (thank goodness i don't breed) I would refund the cost of the puppy to make the problem go away to avoid any further issues as they clearly are not letting the matter drop.

I thought that pups had to be microchipped before they went to new homes? Is that correct or am I mistaken? Just looked up Dogs Victoria and found this - *What you should expect from the person who sells you a puppy: •A vaccination certificate which shows vaccinations given, when the next ones are due, and evidence of the puppy's age (it is against DOGS Victoria's Code of Ethics to sell a puppy under 8 weeks of age). •ANKC Registration Certificate (papers) •When it was treated for worms and how often it needs to be treated in future •A feeding chart •Information on the puppy's likely nature, temperament, size and care requirements. •Details of any hereditary diseases or health problems which are known to affect the breed. •Information on responsible pet ownership, in particular care and welfare of the puppy, the time and facilities required for proper management (socialisation, exercise, adequate fencing, sufficient space and proper shelter) Seems they don't have to be microchipped but they are supposed to be supploed with the Papers. Microchipping allows the breeder to keep records of the pup and I thought that it was common practice to do so

It doesn't say that any person was injured it seems strange that the two dogs were hit and not the person walking them, I hope they weren't off lead on the tarmac