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http://www.blacktownsun.com.au/story/1371423/group-protests-over-death-of-dogs-at-blacktown-pound/?cs=12 *sigh* T.

Awww... look at the Roo-bear in her new and improved crate... love the snuggly beddies and pillow... *grin* T.

Were they the extremely timid and snappy Dingo X pups Nic? Feel free to PM me with what happened - I actually stuck my hand up to check them out with a view to fostering, but was told that they already had rescue... T.

Is this a follow on from this thread? http://www.dolforums.com.au/topic/247058-are-there-any-solicitors-in-nsw-for-dogs/ How about you detail what happened to start you on your current crusade (don't put the vet clinic name in here), and we may be able to help you with your next step towards some resolution. People are not going to name vets and describe any substandard care on a public internet forum - apart from being against forum rules, it's also libellous/defamatory and people could be sued. T.

Yep - being discussed in Rescue... http://www.dolforums.com.au/topic/247417-what-is-the-story-with-the-new-temperament-assessments-at-blacktown-pound/ T.

Comes down to cost huntrox... some pounds believe that people buying dogs from them won't pay a higher price that includes desexing... and/or there may not be a vet local to the pound that will offer reduced rate desexing for the poundies (to keep costs down)... T.

The furbabies met their sister yesterday... We were at the vet doing a weigh-in, and a lovely young lady came in with a pup to have vaccs and chip inserted. As we were talking it transpired that her pup was one of the same litter as ours! She was gorgeous - and her foster carer was absolutely lovely. Her pup got to do kissy face with Tori, and it was so cute to see them appear to actually remember each other. Anyways - our 4 chunkers are the following weights... Tiger - 6.3 kg Toby - 6.7 kg Tori - 6.7 kg Tango - 7.2 kg They are being desexed this week, and should be ready for adoption from next weekend... T.

Kneejerk reaction to certain groups taking out dogs of suspect temperament maybe? T.

I love the mum and Roo photos... they really do show the bond you have with her - despite all of the frustrations she has put you through. She's a very special girl... and I agree, she's become part of the DOL "family" via this thread. Please keep the photos coming - Roo is gorgeous! T.

Ummm - you usually get the back of my scone if I'm the poor bunny doing the wrangling while someone else takes the photos... some dogs/pups like to get snuggly... *grin* I hate Facebook with a passion! It's full of really crazy people who have some weird idea that I might care what they are doing at every moment of the day... news flash... I don't... lol! If I want to communicate properly with someone I know, I'll pick up the phone... T.

I'll agree with that summation behluka. I've met some of the nicest and inspiring people in rescue - and I've also met some of the nastiest backstabbing bitches/bastards - and some just downright crazy people as well. I tend to try to stay well clear of the latter two groups though... *grin* T.

Awww... aren't they little chubbers? Their eyes will be opening soon... and then it will be fun... mum won't be able to hide from them... lol! You know, the coolest age for pups is about 3.5 to 4 weeks, when they start getting really curious about their surroundings. Don't forget to give them a few toys to beat up around then, and then sit back and watch the fun. Think photo opportunity... *grin* Just out of curiosity, what was their date of birth? T.

Well said behluka... rescue can be a minefield of rumour and accusation without facts... as though some people are looking at the rescue "game" as some sort of competition... I find it depressing at times that more of us don't work WITH each other more often. I'm always happy to help out other rescues when I can... and have been helped by others as well... and that's what it SHOULD be about IMHO - we ARE all looking for the best outcomes for the animals we all have in care, aren't we? T.

Two wrongs don't make a right. You can't break the law to "prove" that someone else is doing so... We have specific groups (RSPCA and AWL) who have all of the correct powers to enter a property and inspect the premises... and they need to be the ones doing it - not crazy zealots with an axe to grind. T.

You better believe she's darned cute! And she has a fan club right here... regardless of her issues and whether or not they can be fixed (fingers crossed they can) T.

Well said Nekh! T.

Run free sweet boy! T.

Yay for Kibah and Pagan... all sounds good at this point! T.

From what I gather about this particular girl, no-one was willing to step up to rescue her until later in the piece. Nina and her contacts ended up taking her in at an advanced stage of pregnancy. Don't forget that some vets simply won't do a late term abortion... and some rescuers aren't fussed on doing it either for whatever reasons they choose. Unless one is the person directly involved in making such decisions for the particular rescue involved, one really needs to pull one's head in instead of kicking the crap out of the gate long after the horse has bolted. The facts here are - the pups are here, mum is content with them so far, and the rescue involved has asked if others could help when the time comes to get these little ones prepared to go to new homes themselves. Nothing more, nothing less. Hey Nina... can we have some new puppy and mum pics please? I think we need a bit of "awwww cute" factor in this thread again... *grin* T.

OH - and my adult dogs are happy to help raise my fosters... good role models, and not averse to disciplining pups just like their mother would... *grin* T.

OK - Nina has said that the pups aren't going anywhere until they are ready - and preferably at 8 weeks of age. My experience with SOME large breed rescue bitches with larger litters is that the bitch MAY start to actively discourage the pups from approaching her at around the 4 week mark. If she is only deterring them but not attacking them, we leave them with her. If she is actively attacking them because she is so over the experience, then we remove the pups from her. We don't separate pups from the litter unless there are other considerations like health involved there - if they go into care, then they ALL go into care together. T.

All that aside, the pups are here now... T.

In rare instances pups may need to be removed from their mother earlier than usual. I had a 4 week old pup come into my care on vet advice - she simply wasn't thriving, and the vet advised taking her and one of her littermates (for company) away from mum to see if we could help her along with some intensive one-on-one care. It worked a charm, and a couple of weeks later she was much stronger and able to go back with the rest of the litter. There have been other instances where the mother dogs have just been bred once too often and they are just not overly inclined to care for their pups after the initial few weeks. In those cases, ALL pups are cared for together, and given plenty of socialisation with good tempered adult "role model" dogs, humans, etc... In a perfect world the recommended method will always work - but unfortunately rescue isn't always perfect... and how we make good what wasn't is what truly matters, yes? T.

IF the pups needed to be separated from their mother at that age... certainly not advocating that they be removed at that age for the fun of it... *sheesh* Why do people have the need to read the very worst possible connotation from posts here on DOL. You'd think that I've been around long enough and have fostered enough pups along the way for MOST people here to know that I'm not so gung ho as to advocate early removal of pups into foster care if it's not absolutely necessary... T.

My ex understood exactly where he stood in the pecking order when it came to him or my heart dog... *grin* I prefer the company of animals myself most of the time. T.