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i googled the unknown breeds (the ones i had never heard of) and am very glad they are not allowed over here as they would terrify pple who walk their dogs every day, and imagine if the "guardian" types got out and attacked yikes :D as for the pitbulls I have had no personal experience with them but i know from walking that they are not a dog i want to meet, i have been barked at by them thank goodness they couldnt get out, I know i wouldnt like to meet a roaming one This is where it gets tricky, the majority of pple do not have pitbulls and are scared of them, the minority with the loving pitbull family dog are the ones who suffer because of this, however of that minority with pittys some do not train or provide what their dog needs to be a social friendly dog (this happens to any breed with a crappy owner) I dont know if there are laws but I think all pitbull owners should be registered and the council should be going round yearly or regurlarly to check fences and to ensure that they cannot get out and hurt or scare walkers. this being said any dog that continues to escape and harrasse pple should also be put on that list and the council should be checking on them also its a sticky subject but one that has to be monitored I'd like to think my somewhat informed opinion of the banned import breeds is a bit more in depth than the average idiot who thinks APBT are "man eaters". In my post you'll see that I said a licensing system (if it worked) would be good rather than having the dogs banned. But unless "the man" comes up with an adequate owner licensing system, I'd prefer the dogs remained banned. Why? Dogo Argentino - bred as a pack hunter (jaguar, puma, wild boar) and a family guardian. Fila Brasileiro - herding, guarding, tracking & controlling large game Japanese Tosa: fighting (yes, I do know that they "wrestle" their opponents, but it's a myth that they do not bite) Presa Canario: guardian, cattle dog We see that they're all obviously large, powerful dogs bred for a specific job which requires them to have a certain temperament. Dogo Argentino: "It should never be aggressive" according to the breed standard. But it does have a "domineering attitude". Fila Brasileiro: "With its owners and family it is docile." A good thing. But "One of its characteristics is its aloofness towards strangers". Japanese Tosa: The tosa temperament is marked by not only "patience", "composure" and courage, but also by "boldness". Presa Canario: Whilst he is "gentle and noble with his family, with great affection to his owner", the Presa is also "suspicious with strangers" and is "especially equipped for the function of guarding". Now. Picture that these BIG, POWERFUL dogs with needs the AVERAGE owner can NOT meet have recently been un-banned. And imagine how many IDIOTS will be paying a BUCKETLOAD of money to have one of these "BADASS" dogs (in the idiot's opinion, not mine). How many do you think will get the necessary leadership, training, work and respect they NEED? And how many will be encouraged to rush at strangers walking past fences? How many will be encouraged to jump, bark, and growl because it "looks cool" to the idiots? Sounds sort of like the plight of many APBTs. Except now we're dealing with MASSIVE dogs twice the size of APBTs and with STRONG guarding/protecting/hunting instincts. If they are un-banned, and there is no effective owner-licensing system available, every moron will have one. They'll end up being mistreated, abused, encouraged to attack. Then it will take us ALL back to square 1 with the BSL, and they'll try to put even MORE breeds on the banned list out of fear. If it's going to prevent the mistreatment of certain breeds, and possibly prevent any terrible accidents from occurring because of idiots who mistreat their dogs, then yes, I support the ban. Pet ownership in Australia is not sophisticated enough (yet) to justify giving these dogs to people who do not have any clue how to handle them. Quite frankly, BSL in Australian states is a more pressing concern to me right now than trying to overturn federal import bans that the average Australian pet owner isn't ready to have overturned. People's families are suffering with the legislation re: APBTs. I don't see anybody's family suffering immensely because they can't import a dog that never even existed in Australia before the bans. So I'm going to worry about the pits first. And until the laws regarding pet ownership change to reflect an individual's right to own their breed of choice as well as some breeds' extensive ownership requirements, I'm content for the import ban to stand. PS - I've seen Dogo's advertised online, in WA. i agree with you i think the ban is perfect for Aus for safety to the general population

im gonna look for the rerun and record it thanx for letting me know

im gonna go with sheree with koolie or koolie x as they love to play/wrestle and exercise (being walked by the boys they would love) of course socialisation plays a big and major role as does training but they are such responsive dogs and would love the stimulation of 4 boys

lillys mum are you northside? I know an awesome southside kennel down logan way

its good when there are a good bunch of dogs at the dog park nice pics

bugger...ill be at work still

raz is scared of advocate, ear cleaner, shampoo, basically anything i pull out of his tub that is for him now if he hears the alfoil sound of me poping a nurofen (sounds like the advocate) he is out the door before i have the chance to swallow the thing haha he is funny

yes i agree training!! stay calm and just enforce the rules if you feel like you want to throttle the dog...just walk away

we do..raz and i both wear our waterproof coats and raz will even play in it :cool:

no bubbles here...but if we're having pizza for dinner or something good raz just sits there and a slow trickle of drool runs down from his mouth

um not sure exactly how tall raz is but he is a bit shorter than a working kelpie..by an inch if that... he currently has an old crate that is about 87cm High

ok phew thats what i want!! but i want a doggy door too and i cant get everything aaaarrrr

what the?? you confused me haha did you just buy the soft XL one x 3 or the wire one x 3...or do you already have the wire one? man this is confusing, i guess to save money i should try the cheapie then get a more exy one later :/

http://www.crazysales.com.au/large-sized-p...7-6-_p5351.html i was looking at that? what do you think? (if you can tell i've never bought a crate before)

I looked at that bonnie...do you think it would work at an agility comp? or be cheap and nasty?? i couldnt tell :/

yeah they are...only they are too big for raz... or too small

thanx for your help guys is $68 for a large wire crate including delivery cheap??

thanx cw..already looked at it, its too small

next question... How easy are the soft crates to break? if my dog pawed at the door would it break from his nails? or are they fairly strong?

nope not too late I wish i had crate trained mine at that age we tried when he was about 9 months but failed due to the week of crying and my OH's lack of patience. I think its an awesome skill for the dogs to be able to happily sit in a crate so they are not shocked/annoyed by the outside world Im starting agility and will be attempting to crate him there...will see how it goes

does anyone know where I can go to get Cheap dog crates any shops in Brisbane or online stores? Im looking for something for my koolie x not sure on what size would be best, prob want wire, maybe soft (if he wont destroy it) if anyone knows where to go please lemme know

I agree it is a tough decision you really have to decide what you want to do. If you cannot afford the potential treatment costs then maybe financially getting a more solid dog is the way to go. but if you are willing to put in the time, effort and money then fall in love with the little bundle and do everything you can to give her the best life she can possibly have with you

I live in brisbane too and the only vet i would recommend is Animal Options at Ormeau - definately worth the trip you want Dr Rowan Kilmartin (i think thats right) my mums poodle was going to need hip replacement op...Dr rowan did some acupuncture and trigger point stuff and prescribed some meds that the dog only really needs now when he runs himself silly and comes up sore or during winter (the cold affects him) doesnt need the op anymore and his pain is managed http://www.animaloptions.com.au/index.php?...=animal-options thats the website...definately worth a look IMO

I cant remember what my excess is...will have to find out how do you make a claim? out of curiosity those on the medibank silver does that cover regular hospitaly visits or only accidents/emergencies/sickness? i cant remember

also watch your dogs tail if it or his play mates goes between their legs they are not enjoying the game and as the parent it is your job to separate them so your little one learns to trust that you will be there to look after him. and by separating them you are giving the dog only positive experience instead of scary ones that can traumatise him