Rebanne

mostly you can't see teeth in photo's and often can't see skin problems either.

I wouldn't determine the health of a dog via a photo. I'm not sure how anyone could. I've seen enough in real life to know that bbs are at a severe disadvantage. Breeders can justify it all they like but action in a positive direction is much better. I'm glad to see that they are working toward fixing these issues. And photos are great ways to determine health, we use them in a vet nursing assignments all the time. sorry but that's just rubbish, you can't tell just by looking at a photo that the dog is healthy. I could show you photo's of my GSD who had severe HD and you would never pick it. In fact I could have shown her to you in the flesh and you still wouldn't have picked it.

I've seen several, they were posted on FB, after Crufts this year. I saw those we can't have seen the same ones cause I saw fit and happy BB's, yet you say you have yet to see one.

I've seen several, they were posted on FB, after Crufts this year.

was all the above under the vet's instructions?

as was said early in the thread, this video has already been done to death on DOL.

OP joined in Sep 2011

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already covered this with the working dogs.

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I've only ever seen parvac online for the general public to buy.

Actually I told a lie. I have ordered them a new dremel for trimming their nails and I ordered it Christmas day so that must count.

thanks for rubbing it in

very cute Ptolomy

mine didn't either, from anybody. Poor deprived babies :laugh:

do you have the means to keep dog and bitch apart when bitch is in season every 6 months?

oh yes, yes indeed and the chronic bad teeth that so many have. If not for their (usually pet owners) doing everything they could, how many would loose those teeth at an early age rendering them unable to hold their prey when they caught it. That's if they could eat enough food to keep them in peak condition. My heart dog Sam would walk away from his meals when his teeth hurt.

Provide some stats that suggest careless breeding (like.. 30% of show greyhounds carrying the gene for neuropathy- not being alive after 12 months definitely impacts on function) and then perhaps you'd have a valid argument. If being willing/able to chase well is not the breed's function, then I'm afraid I'm a little confused about what they're intended for. A dog needs to have drive, they need to have the ability to see that drive through. They are a hunting dog- see it, chase it, grab it. The vast majority of (racing bred) greyhounds I've dealt with have had sufficient drive and ability to do what they were intended for. Those that don't are not bred from. To be blunt here, this argument makes me distrustful of people who breed for show. If they are unwilling to admit (when it is painfully obvious) that they need to go back several steps to address some major issues, then they are either unable to look objectively at their breed (in which case, they shouldn't be breeding) or they are knowingly ignoring the issues (in which case, they shouldn't be breeding). I've asked before where you get your stats about greyhound neuropathy and you nver answered. I am asking again. Where do you get your information from? Greyhounds are tested before being bred or cleared by parentage. Not a single breeder of show greyhounds I know is ignoring neuropathy. Unlike the racing industry which will breed anything to anything in pursuit of the next big winner. I.E they don't care if the dog is blind by 7 from pannus, as long as it wins. Or the ones that suffer from arthritis by 5 because they were poorly conformed but they had the heart to run through the pain barrier, again and again. Not to mention the thousands detroyed before they get to the race track becuase they don't break in well enough or fast enough.

A lot of yard dogs with huge titles don't actually do any real farm work. Yep. And the fact that a dog will or won't chase a plastic bag says nothing about its ability to course game. Is that how they test dogs for lure coursing? the lure is a plastic bag oh, I didn't know that. I figured it would be a fake rabbit or something. You learn something new every day still no real test of the dogs hunting ability, some won't chase a fake anything, or even a real skin. They will however chase proper live game.

A lot of yard dogs with huge titles don't actually do any real farm work. Yep. And the fact that a dog will or won't chase a plastic bag says nothing about its ability to course game. Is that how they test dogs for lure coursing? the lure is a plastic bag

I know some wonderful bench kelpies that perform well in a lot of areas.. I just like my WKC kelpies, I like the variety of types and the colours are less restrictive :D what are the extra colours you can get in a working line kelpie? The standard has 7. I like white on the red and tan. Also it's harder to find the red and tans and black and tan in bench, most seem to breed to solids. Which I understand as they'd go better in conformation classes I would imagine. so are there more colours or not? You said the colours are less restrictive and and only mention you like a red tri.

I know some wonderful bench kelpies that perform well in a lot of areas.. I just like my WKC kelpies, I like the variety of types and the colours are less restrictive :D what are the extra colours you can get in a working line kelpie? The standard has 7.

Your right a lot of people prefer to not deal with the coats and working BCs dont get the same coat as barbie collies. I would never have dreamed of using a long coated BC while I was working on the cattle farm much too much to deal with and a barbie collie wouldnt be able to work the same way, wet hair can get heavy if your dog needs to run through mud or any type of water its going to get heavy with the barbie collies coats. I have yet to meet anyone who works a barbie collie in any fashion other than trials on nice fluffy grass. Some breeds its fads, I have had a dog pulled out by a judge and point out what a beautiful representation of the breed my dog was absolutely perfect in every way. She then placed her 3rd after a 90 pound dog when the breed standard reads that the preferred weight was a lot less than 90 pounds my girl was 37 pounds could you be anymore insulting with your constant references to barbie collies and they perfect dog has yet to be bred.

I know of one litter, not greyhounds, the bitch had way more then expected, seemed finished, had her vet check, then delievered the last one on the back seat of the car on the way home. Owner not amused as car was 2 weeks old. Not sure how many hours between but a few.

I don't know, extra hair can become a problem with herding a hunting breeds, overheating, hindering movement, collecting seeds and burrs etc and not being able to see. I think that's why the more extreme versions of some breeds should be kept in the show ring. By all means breed them if you want but they aren't built for their original purpose anymore. Everything is exaggerated beyond use. if they were being used for work most of that extra hair would be pulled out as they ran through the brush etc. It certainly wouldn't be looked after like they were going to a show next weekend, so most dogs wouldn't have the huge coat.