Skruffy n Flea

"feed them to the new puppies as 'raw meat' ". This can't be true though. Dogs don't feed on dog meat. They don't even chew on dog bones. well i'm gunna say that i welcome that bit of info, fo shizle!

LMAO what a visual!!!

*giggles* on the topic at hand, i took in a tiny lil 5-week old rescue kitten tuesday last and immediately introduced him to bella who isn't yet 2 years ... by day 2 maybe 3, they were both snuggling and yesterday they were having a grand ole time of it admittedly, bella isn't a pug but she is a JRx best of luck ... it's a beautiful thing to see such a relationship develop when you're head tells ya that cats and dogs are generally enemies

OMG that is the most disgusting thing I have ever heard!!! *agrees* sickening!!!

dolers are the shiznit right then!!! 86 the rice = done!!! so i'm not necessarily doing anything wrong giving them canned fish in springwater ... excellent canned sardines *vomit* in olive oil OR add fish oil caps to that which is in springwater ... how much/how many!?!? *note to self* teach fluffies new 'eat the fish oil cap' trick i can regularly feed my fluffies canned fish, whether it be in 'the good oil' or supplemented springwater... *note to self* drain off excess oil tuna can have a high mercury content, so less frequency is better... salmon [red/pink]: tassie or atlantic [avoid northern seas' raw salmon] ... is it safe for dogs to eat the spine!??! add mackeral to the menu ... fillets in brine... pink/red salmon and tuna in springwater ... sardines in olive oil or springwater no name brands are okay to use too!!! *win* *note to self* avoid oscar'ing liver dolers, you are a wealth of information and without you, i'd be in dire straits i'm sure

woah!!! YUGE but wooty woot

oh JAYZUZ!!! she is GORGEOUS!!! as for desexing, my vet told me it was best not to let her come on if we had no plans to breed from her ... bella was done at exactly 6 months... good luck with your decision

heartbreaking to say the least... my own lil experience many months ago, walking my baby girl bella along a busy arterial between two very busy main roads and there, across the road in the driveway of a vacant house is this tiny lil dog scattering here and there ... it noticed bella and came out of the property onto the footpath and made a go to cross the road, with heavy afternoon traffic coming off the cumberland... i tensed making 'no, no, no' sounds to the lil dog readied to cross the busy street ... there were a few school-aged children on my side of the street realising that something was amiss, frozen in their shoes... i waited my chance and crossed the street to this lil dog thinking someone has GOT to know this dog ... collared and well-fed... the ppl immediately next door directed me to the home next along and just as i was leaving her yard, this SUV pulled up with 2 very well coiffed well-dressed young adult women alighted the front, sending a young girl from the back of the car in my direction who picked up the lil dog saying 'what are you doing with my dog?' and marched off while the two high-maintenance dolly birds strode to their driveway with me saying to the girl, 'someone's not kept the dog safe while you were out ... [getting louder] it almost got run over ... [even louder] not to mention the frikken inconveninece to frikken ME!!! srsly, some ppl don't deserve a dog's unconditional love... edit: SVU = law and order show *eyeroll*, SUV = one of those 4wd motor vehicles srsly!

thanks danois ... rice!??! cuz i don't know any better *shrugs* i hear brown rice if any at all, but yeah! k, so i can do the fish with dry food [as opposed to rice] ... and either in oil or springwater *win* ima bit with the sardines as you be with the salmon *gags* as for tomato sauce, is there not a concern with the salt content?!?! just askin' thanks again D

hello dolers i have 2 swf and i've lately introduced 'fish' into their diet ... i had known that it was a good thing to feed them, but not too often was the info i read between the lines! k, so i'm personally offended by the smell of sardines and i think my delicate lil fluffies might be too [or not] so i elected to give them instead tuna or salmon but in springwater cuz i believed they were being TOO well cared for ;) now i'm reading that it's better to give them [fish] in oil! bella gobbles her food and i think she has a propensity to overeat while byron is quite a slow eater and doesn't seem so motivated by food per se but responds eagerly to treats... should i stick to the tuna or salmon in springwater or switch to those varieties in oil?!? when i feed them tuna or salmon they get 47.5 gms mixed with a soup spoon or so of boiled rice and some boiled chicken and it's like only every few weeks or so, but i'm trying to do better so if you have any advice in that regard, i'd welcome your input ta much

bahLUDDY hell! again, i learn something new!!! and there it is, of course, obvious ... and i am absolutely amazed by it all! i love dogs...

this thread is a very interesting read thanks to everyone that contributed ... i learn something new EVERY time i log on!

i'd be sooooo up for this stuff!!! it'd be excellent when we do our 'dog friendly accom' travel in october

2 dogs, outer burbs

srsly, i looked at your first pic and i thought HOLY CRAP!!! but then i realised if was katy's inside out ear :laughing: i thot the cray.yabbie got her!!! so, what did you have for dinner!??!

ty everyone for your valuable input ... i have a good place to start to help my two swf get the best from their food without risk of overeating that will likely affect them in later life i promise to do away with with the vip sausage; i promise to stop using science diet; i promise to introduce artemis; AND i promise to cut back on quantity [which i already have and it KILLS me when they look at me as if to say IS THAT ALL THERE IS!??! WTF!??! love 'em sprinkles stays as will boiled chicken! i must find time to oscar up the veg ... i must google whether i can freeze oscar'd veg!!! to be sure, neither dog leaves any food and neither commonly skips a meal IN FACT both practically eat their bowls when they've finished eating!!! it's soon after that i get the WTF!??! look anyhoot ... tyvm dolers

wtyvm and thanks for taking the time to visit and comment! as for nutro my concern is the amount of grains the product contains ... ima gunna try artemis first cuz byron has a couple skin issues that i just cannot for the frikken life of me pinpoint so without putting both fluffies on an exclusion diet, ima gunna change it up and see how they go re emoticons *nods* correct ... what a pita that was!!! frikken edit: SPELLING!!!

thank you again yellowgirl ... i've bolded what concerns me most! bella and byron are likely very similar to a cc in size ... what weight are your dogs!??! what is their feeding routine!?!? just as a guideline mind you ... not a comparison *emoticon removed* Hi SnF, my clan are all 'around' the 6kg mark. My recently aquired senior girl Pepper was very fat when I got her a few weeks ago but she is gradually losing her extra porkiness. I feed mine am and pm on 'Fido's Formula' (similar concept to BARF ... but better ), they have around a tablespoon each meal, depending on the dog. Raw bones 2-3 times a week and natural treats in between. My older boy, Sarge loves to chomp on a raw carrot, he's getting everything he needs in his diet so I don't think there's any harm in letting him enjoy his favourite crunchy treat every now and then Another dry food you might want to look at is Nutro www.nutro.com.au . I rarely use dry food but I do occasionally include some for a bit of variety. Off topic but my nosey side now wants to know why you removed all your emoticons k, so my two are about the same *ish* in weight and and i've visually measured their meals and i reckon they'd be about the same - roughly a tablespoon each ... i don't have a tablespoon actually so i used a soup spoon and with the food spilling over i gauged that if i had a tablespoon it would be about that amount tres scientific don't ya think right, so i checked out 'fido's formula' [cuz i'm up for *better*] and ya cheeky thing, i decided you run the joint but alas it would be prohibitive me ordering direct just to try the stuff out *shrugs* ... but if ya ever wanna branch out with a supplier in sydney, give me a hoy k, so i do raw bones at most 5x a week, and i mix up a couple thin slices of finely chopped carrot in their evening meal each day ['tis good roughage cuz i see it in their nuggets ] i checked out the nutro and i appreciate the suggestion, but ima gunna go with the artemis it sounds like ya dun good with 'porky' pepper *giggles* ty yellowgirl for being so generous with your info i don't think i'm too far off being a good provider...

ty persephone i concede! graciously too i might add i must ponder this some more ... altho i've modified their food quantities over the past week or so i like the idea of leaving them with a rmb each while we're at work. our butcher is really quite generous with leaving meat on the bone but because i do feed them brekkie and dinner, i cut the extra meat off, leaving barely any meat at all, and they get this raw meat as treats! we have established a feeding routine tho... k, this is valuable info cuz some peeps can be a lil precious, ya know?!? thanks for the HU and for your comments too

How does being inbred not make them SWF? How are they inbred? Re the bones - there is no need to cut the meat from the bones .. unless you are feeding them bones after you have cut the meat off to eat yourself. If the bones are just "normal" butcher type bones, they don't have heaps of meat on them, so leave it. Meat with bones gives you a good C:Ph ratio, which is important. hello jed ;) re SWF ... i likely misused the term 'inbred' ... bella is a cross bred JR/malt likely on purpose [or not] while bryon is an unknown, likely a JR/Malt/Chi and maybe just a lil bit more ... perhaps! dunno tho SWF has never really been explained to me but i got the gist that it was likely a malt, ts or similar type small dog ... bella is fluffy but she's predominatly wire-haired and bryon has long hair that lays flat against his skin... as i said, if not for their 'breeding'... as for trimming the meat off bones, the butcher is a lil bit generous and i decided to to trim because i was concerned that they were being overfed... there is quite a bit of meat, not to mention fat, on the bones! my prime need for giving my dogs bones is to keep their teeth and gums in healthy condition ... they share, when one drops the bone, the other takes over and vice versa ... they chew and chew and chew the bare bone 'til i remove it... i hope that helps clarify

If you are going to feed vegtables then you need to food process them to break down the cellulose walls. Food processed green leafy veggies, fruit and whole eggs would be more beneficial then two chunks of carrots. This would be more then one days meal for a small dog! If the pugs have bones then that is their meal for the day. If you are feeding raw then you should only be feeding 1.5% to 2% of your dogs ideal body weight. It sounds like you are feeding alot more then that. I would think about adding chicken necks, offal, fish etc. Get rid of the processed food it's not needed. Why the BBQ chicken? you don't beat about the bush do ya puggy i've dealt with all of the above so... ...my question to you babe: please help me out here with a recipe ... treat me like a noob, i'm not that proud ;)

JAYZUZ! how does one deal with emoticon usage on this forum!?!? it took me longer to remove them all than it did to write the freakin' post! MOG!

thank you everyone for your input *emoticon removed* i knew i was on a winner when i found this forum ... you lot are the best, fo shizle *punches air* first things first: yellowgirl, you have dogs that are after my heart!!! i adore that breed TO BITS but i digress ... i took a look at both the sites you linked and i believe i can honestly say that both my fluffies are moderate or ideal so i'm happy about that ;) AND i've also taken on board the other remarks you made. thank you very much *emoticon removed* next: i think the general concensus is that i am over-feeding them but i may have made what i feed them sound bigger than what the meals actually are - in essence, their morning snack is likely less than a 1/4 cup of food each while their evening meal is about the same ... their bellies are never swollen after eating and in fact feel the same as if they'd not just eaten. the bones we give them are small bones, half ribs and the like sooooo trimmed of meat that they are essentially meat-flavoured bones and are just something else to help keep them both occupied, keeping their teeth healthy and clean while we're out earning their keep!!! i did also misrepresent the ACV [mother n all] and the fish oil caps: i add one tspn of ACV and 4 FO caps per whole barf brick [from which i get four meals] ... both dogs are around 6kg each, maybe a lil heavier... k, down to tin tacks: science diet: being a novice, i took the word of their vet but since then and having researched an alternative up the wahzoo, artemis and eagle pack came up trumps BUT my local petbarn doesn't stock either of them *pfft* ... i can order artemis online and have it delivered, which is likely what i will do having had this discussion, so i better hop to it and get a pack before i run out of what i have left of SD... barf: it is the brand brought to us by dr billinghurst so yes, i shouldn't need to supplement ... i don't know what to do here! byron's itch seems to have settled since i intro'd the ACV and FO caps! i didn't answer this first time around dave ... they are both happy and fit, and they both seem to have an abundance of energy and a healthy curiosity ... neither of them leave food, they both however have turned from away from food because they've had a YUGE day playing at the off leash dog park and prefer to sleep than eat they both have hearty appetites the next morning *emoticon removed* i would think this bodes well *emoticon removed* we checked with our vet when they had their yearly last october - all was good *emoticon removed* that was however 3 mnths ago *blinkblink* you are absolutely correct ... any diet should be under a vet's supervision and what i need to do is just cut back on their portions a lil bit *emoticon removed* IMO this isn't a good diet. I would scrap the Natures Gift treats (only use them for training), the VIP sausage and the liver sprinkles. Also why do you feel it necessary to feed bbq chicken? thanks miranda *emoticon removed* my plan is over the next week or so is wean them slowly off the NG treats ... they don't make good training treats but chewing them does exercise their lil jaws *emoticon removed* i'll start that in the morning ... the VIP sausage i'll use up but use less of *emoticon removed* i find it 'greasy' in any event... the liver sprinkles and bbq chicken: neither of my dogs seem particularly interested in barf ... the tiny amount of liver sprinkles and the small amount of cooked chicken and they go ape shit ... neither leaves a scrap of food in their bowl *emoticon removed* ... 'sept for byron and his aversion to carrots *emoticon removed* why bbq chicken!? it is just that we usually have it in the fridge ... they'd both do handstands for chicken, they LURVE chicken and rice, snarf it down ... today i cooked a YUGE batch of boiled chicken, they wouldn't leave the kitchen!!! k, i deal with carrots a lil later on ... but bella LOVES carrot and crunching on it puts a smile on her face ... byron, meh, he leaves his carrot for bella - we have a routine *emoticon removed* miranda, you are a wealth of information and i'm so pleased you took the time to tell me all that stuff ... artemis is already on my list, raw meat they get from barf, and the meat stripped off the bones ... bella has a delicate constitution when it comes to chicken wings and necks o_O [unpretty] so to avoid those occasions, i don't have it available... i've started to intro fish ... tuna and salmon, both in springwater [!?!?] but only when i do chicken and rice so as to intro them to it slowly but it isn't very often, so i'll get onto that ... i'll look into the cooked liver [how does one prepare it!??!] ... can i mix raw egg with rice!??! is there a food combo i should avoid!??! can egg, liver, chicken and rice be eaten together for example!??! what yoghurt do you suggest!??! obviously natural, but any particular brand!?? as for veg, someone else said what you said, so ima gunna hafta break out the oscar *emoticon removed* you and miranda are the shiznite! i'm already commited to artemis so no conflict there *emoticon removed* i think i may have created a pair of lil monsters cuz i'm over-mothering them, but i know with careful planning and slow introductions, i can turn their palate desires around *emoticon removed* as for substituting their brekkie for their daily bones, i explained about the bones earlier... roast chicken and liver sprinkles: mentioned also above BUT for the SALT content and thank you for bringing that up ... this past week i've decided to boil their chicken! first lot today and it's perfect ... i wanted to save the broth but that can come later when i've gotten into a routine of mixing up their diet a lil bit *emoticon removed* o_O really!??! *giggles* yup *emoticon removed* thank you again yellowgirl ... i've bolded what concerns me most! bella and byron are likely very similar to a cc in size ... what weight are your dogs!??! what is their feeding routine!?!? just as a guideline mind you ... not a comparison *emoticon removed* finally - yeah, okay guys, enuf laughing... vegies: i know barf contains the elements a dog needs to survive and i do know it isn't necessary to add vegies but i know there are additional benefits that some vegies do provide ... i get it now that what i'm doing isn't providing any additional benefit except that bella loves to crunch [and i love the sound of her lil mouth crunching and that look she gives me when she's crunching]... saving that question for puggy_puggy *emoticon removed* again dolers, you have proven to be an absolute minefield of valuable info ... if i didn't have you, i'd be none the wiser and my fluffies would be heading for detox *emoticon removed* dog, i hope you buggers read my reply to y'all *scowl*

dood, you're a damn near dog send! you answered all my frikken questions without me having to ask U kinda ROCK! as for easily feel their ribs nah, i can't so much ... i gotta feel around a bit ... is the 'rib test' closer to their belly!??! or is it up near their spine!??! near their belly is a lil bit easier but i need to get it right, ya know!? i'm near the point of thinking 'HTF can i trim it down?' i took a look at science diet 'lean' was it!??! today! do i need to put 'em on a diet!?!? holy crap!

OMD ... my mil sent this to me this past week ... i didn't watch your clip BUT for those that chose to view this thread and NOT watch, you are SRSLY missing out... IT IS BRILLIANT OP, i found most endearing the manner in which the lab put forward its paw in time for the next move... it really is a brilliant clip :p ty for sharing it ;) oh wait, what if it isn't the same clip!??! *shock horror* BRB! ETA: it is the same clip - BRILLIANT! :D