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I've been trying to find documented numbers. Herald-Sun report in 2011 stated they'd got numbers from Singapore's AVA & that more than 1,300 dogs were imported from Australia in the past year. I don't know if and how that number breaks down. Like, into direct private purchases, or pedigree dogs to be registered with the Singapore Kennel Club. Does seem quite a number, tho'. And Singaporeans themselves (& their AVA) are concerned about puppy their own puppy farms. Reasonable to investigate if there's any connection with imported Australian puppies . Also seems the issue's been raised before.... & in relation to other countries in Asia or the Indian sub-continent: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/fury-at-fate-of-export-pups/story-e6frf7jo-1226093380757

There isn't...from the offlead dog owners' perspective. But if you consider all the other dog owners who have to choose a different road or go back home because they can't predict which dog is well trained and which isn't...then it is definitely an issue. I guess this whole discussion is really about those who prefer to walk their dogs offlead asking "what's in it for me?" And if they can't see a downside to themselves, that's where it stops. Neat summary. Which is why council's have made on-leash the law in certain places. Which makes it a requirement. No ifs or buts or wiggle-room. Outside a by-law area, it's frankly left to owner decision.

Any news about the little girl at Port Stephens?

Not that we can test it :) but it'd be interesting if we could replay my situations.... but this time, I've got your big bull breed with me. Would the attacking dogs have then behaved differently???? Staffy, we had a conversation earlier in the thread which sums up why the issue of unleashed dogs (in by-law areas) might be marginally more concerning for someone like me.... who's been in nasty situations with our small shelties & tibbies. I wanted to borrow your big bully breed.... for a test run to see if we'd be any safer. :) Seems you are like a hawk, too, when out with the dogs.

This one gets my 'like'. Only adding it applies in by-law areas.

Found some additional information about puppy 'mills' in Singapore. Seems there's a campaign against such places, by Singaporeans themselves. Info on link. Gives news that an operator of such a place was fined. Also mentions that the Singapore AVA is introducing some controls. http://www.catwelfare.org/node/3973 So, even tho' there may well be a problem facing unsold puppies from Australia, it's not fair to write Singapore off, entirely, as a place with 'squalid' pet shops.... nor where the people & the authorities don't care.

This news article about the OL investigation in Singapore, has the heading 'squalid pet shops'. No pics are given showing squalid conditions. Only refers to 'glass'. Nothing is said about the comprehensive regulations required of Singapore pet stores (previous post). Singapore tends to be strict on any laws, so I don't see how their pet stores could be 'squalid'. But one thing mentioned by OL, is that puppies left unsold in the Singapore pet stores, go into poor conditions in puppy 'farms'. Given Singapore is an island, there'd be not much space. I searched & couldn't find any laws/regulations about the breeding of dogs in Singapore (maybe there are, but can't find them). It seems this might be the basic beef that OL has with a possible fate of Australian puppies. Finishing up in puppy 'farms' that are cramped & not regulated. Fair to say, more information is required about that. http://www.news.com.au/national-news/australian-puppy-farmers-making-thousands-selling-puppies-to-squalid-pet-shops-in-singapore/story-fncynjr2-1226719828869

I looked at the Singapore end. Seems their pet shops have to be licensed & there's regulations. Mentions fact that some pets will have been imported... and the regulations require documents to be kept citing source, medical history etc. And that information is to be available to buyers: Not saying that makes export of puppies fine. http://www.ava.gov.sg/NR/rdonlyres/06750190-5386-4241-A289-B7F5ABB61D4E/23377/1DogsCats_2013.pdf Bit of trivia.... seems Staffies are among the breeds that can't be sold.

I've said that my case relates to areas where the Council by-laws cover as 'public places' and where dogs are required to be on a leash. Covers where most of us take our dogs for a walk in urban areas. Outside those areas, I've also said ... it becomes an owner's own assessment of risk. Can't apply laws that don't exist. So I don't go there.

The case being made in this thread is that there are by-laws which determine what SHOULD be done with dogs. And for good reason. Irrespective of any individual's experience or opinion. Dogs in public places should be leashed. It's not a matter of opinion, nor what one person or other thinks is 'acceptable'. Neither you nor me. Which is why council's have sensibly made it a law.

And you can predict the future perfectly because you see an unleashed dog 'walking calmly' by the owner's side? I remain totally amazed at what predictions people can make.... that not even God can make. The cattle dog which attacked my shelties was 'calmly walking by its owner's side'.... who had the lead taken off & hanging over her arm. Then.... just as God knows can happen, but you don't.... the situation immediately changed when it saw my 2 shelties on the other side of the road. Came like a rocket at them. I finished up flattened on the ground trying to save my shelties from the snapping bites, cattle dog ignoring owner's orders. Total chaos until 2 blokes in a passing truck came to help. This IS what this thread IS about. Dogs not on lead in real-life situations that are not predictable for dogs owners out walking their leashed dogs.. All situations are not predictable. Which is why councils usually have a by-law.... dogs out in public places must be leashed. Called prevention of problems. Only ego-centric people choose to ignore. Again..... what bubble floats above the heads of your 'good owners with well trained (unleashed) dogs' to tell other dog owners that they're approaching? Frankly, only observable thing, is that an ego-centric person is approaching who believes they don't have to obey a simple by-law. Not exactly a great reference for their sense of responsibility. As I said, in areas without these by-laws, it's Russian roulette. Which is why I don't go there.

I don't know if it's a tibbie thing, but my 2 girls have always put their heads down & gone to sleep as soon as buckled into a back seat. The attitude is, 'Wake us up when we get there!'. When 2 other tibbies have been staying here, they've done the same. And it's so cute looking in the rear vision mirror.... 4 little snoozing heads in a neat row along the back seat.

Yes. And if they have time & resources to offer, then offer them to the PetRescue team. As to locating a type of dog...I've found how easy it is to locate a dog by breed label on PetRescue. Even tho' their Search on site doesn't include breed. Just Google breed label and Pet Rescue.

And those unleashed dogs & their owners are strangers to other dogs & owners approaching. There's no bubble floating in the air with the voice of God coming out, saying.... 'This is a totally bomb proof dog that stays by the owner's side, no matter what.'. But even God knows that the one thing which is predictable about the future, is that it is unpredictable. I don't mean to be rude. But people with this attitude believe that what goes on their own heads rules the world. It even has a name, ego-centricity. A dog owner with leashed dog, who see another person & dog approaching ... bleedingly obvious not on a lead. And made rightly cautious by previous bad experiences .... has a normal stress response, as body goes into alert for fight or flight. So a problem exists . First rule of problem solving.... who has the means to prevent or solve it? Answer, in this case, the person who only has to snap on a lead, when out in public with their dog. And pssssh! to stuff about dogs still being able to lunge. It wasn't a lunging dog on a lead that gave such horrific experiences to those of us whose dogs have been attacked when being walked in public places. Shouldn't even be debatable as it tends to be a council by-law in most areas. In areas where it isn't a council by-law, then it becomes a case of Russian roulette to walk your dog. And it's up to individual dog owners to calculate risk. For me, it's a no go.... far too likely to meet some with an ego-centric view on containing their dog in a public place.

Good bloke to get the dog off the road .... & to start getting the word out.

His cousin is currently for adoption from AWL Qld. And gaining a fan club while he's waiting. Rightly so. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151588993917547&set=a.10150336240767547.343632.157104907546&type=1&theater

It's a phenomenon called 'blame the victim', Trudy. A scenario that lives in the head of the person who blames the victim.

Sheer coincidence! Googling to see if any update on the lab finding her owner. Up came a video from last year, where Ballarat university students rescued a koala that'd fallen down a deep mine shaft. They lowered a long branch down....for the koala to climb out. One heart-stopping moment, tho'... http://video.news.com.au/2279895304/Koala-stuck-in-a-mine-shaft

The tactful comment that she was fortunate to be carrying a few extra pounds....for 'inner' sustenance. :) Bless the rescue blokes. Those old mine shafts sure are lethal. A man pointed to another one, so deep that the lab wouldn't have survived if she'd fallen there.

She's a pretty girl. A black mask like that, is supposed to be a good feature in tibbies & pekes. Sounds like a sweetie in nature, too. It's Tibbie Time in NSW at the moment. PAWS have a pretty , cream/white 11 yr old, Babe, surrendered from an elderly couple. Sure looks p/b & looks very young for age. And the sweet-faced red/white Tibbie boy at Renbury will also be going into rescue.

Yes, I looked, too, on Newcastle Rescue ... and no, didn't find that dog ... or another Tibbie-looking one. The Great Tibbie Hunt came to a dead-end. :)

I found that FB page, too. The little one labelled ChiX, did have a faint 'Tibbie' look. It seems the Newcastle Rescue, takes from Port Stephens.

I found a link for Port Stephens Animal Refuge, but it just kept scrolling & the website wouldn't open. http://www.portstephens.nsw.gov.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1132824:port-stephens-animal-refuge&catid=2800:animals-pets-portstephens&Itemid=4011

Bet that's far too common. You did some good educating.

That jumped out at me, too. Keeping a dog chained up, is one of the alarm signals.