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Yes, that sounds good to me.... having a system of overview where a kennel's licence could be revoked. Nothing would make kennels tighten up protocols more.... than to know that a serious incident could halt their business. Also in SE Qld, I knew of people whose tibbie was killed in kennels because a dog in the adjacent kennel was able to scramble right over the top of an unroofed section.

And so unnecessarily, too. I remain puzzled how anyone could've considered dogmad a person to be blocked for damning any particular kind of dog.... per se. Having said that, I can't see too many pics of Carter & the other such-like Rotties. Wish you could've seen the two fully grown adult Rotties we met at Million Paws Walk. Huge....their heads were the size of my tibbie girls. And they had natures to die for. Of the thousands of gorgeous dogs there that day.... it was those 2 I would dearly have liked to dognap. But where to hide them? :)

But your description would fit the greyhounds next door. And they're racing greyhounds! They live the same everyday life as pet greyhounds with an owner who dotes on them. Apart from when they race or when they go off for some track training... they're big calm, quiet, affectionate couch potatoes.

I can understand your being furious about how they're using your name. Typical of highly emotional witch-hunting ... innocent people get strung up. And also typical .... no factual information, that would challenge their mantra, accepted from anyone else.

They were raised by their doggie mum & their human mum to be really nice dogs. This is how good companion animals are 'made'. And what puppy farming does not/cannot do. You'll be so pleased that all, including mum, will go on to have a happy life & bring joy to their new owners.

Yes, what's wrong with having a realistic concern about dogs with size, muscle & jaw strength being capable of causing great harm.... iwhen they're not bred, raised & managed appropriately? I also hugely admire the Rottweiiler Club of Victoria ... especially how they bluntly set out, on their website, the need for socialization & good owner management of their (rightly) much loved breed. That doesn't make them anti-Rotti or anti-big dog. It makes them pro-dog in what it takes to make a good companion dog (whatever the size).

Jules, I'll have to read the News section more often. Thanks. ADDED: Yonguro, I've also had dogs helped by dogmad over the many years I've been on DOL. Her advice is much valued by me. And size of dog has never been an issue when offering help.

She didn't. Apparently if you say anything about a large dog doing something wrong you are a dog hater. You can complain about little dogs all you like though! Thank god, megan! I thought I was losing what few marbles I've got. Especially as the very sensible OP had already acknowledged the strength imbalance when anything goes wrong. That doesn't make anyone anti big dog.... There's such a difference when our tibbie stands on my toe.... & when our relatives' newfoundland does so. That's all the thread was about.... & the OP already knew that.

Maybe I'm thick, but I couldn't see anything that dogmad said in this thread that's over the top or rude. She just said the same basic things others were saying... but a tad more strongly. I can't see any anti-big dog bias ... just acknowledgement of the greater strength when things go wrong. And, after all, the OP had already said she acknowledges the problem.... & was wisely going to get advice. Which she did.... as I said.... this thread was DOL at its best, IMO. Gee.... if anyone had an entrenched anti-bully breeds, anti-big dog breeds bias....I'd be going into a Donald Duck rage. :) And I have no stomach for outright rudeness & nastiness. Didn't see any of that, either. But, then, I'll admit, I could be thicker than I realize... :) Don't rush now to say, 'Yes!'.

Same here.... about the only one I've ever met in person, too. A lost one.... in beautiful condition.... playing up & down the fenceline with my 2 tibbie girls...all tails wagging. Lovely dog to hold while owners were being traced. Sad thing was the way some people recoiled as soon as they saw her...'That's a pitbull!' No, it was a sweet natured, playful, gentle, sensible & biddable dog.... whatever breed she was. So I hope Cyde spreads these pics & stories about those darling pitbulls, far & wide.

Agree, KB (of the 3 legs!) :) . Seriously, there's no need for the 3 'groups' of dogs & the people who take care of them, to be natural born enemies. The thing they should have in common is trying to give dogs the best chances to enjoy a safe life as companions with people. You're right, that shows up beautifully in households where purebred dogs, mixed breed dogs & rescued dogs of either kind, are equally loved as pets. We've had p/b shelties, living side by side with a rescued p/b sheltie and also a little rescued mixed breed dog. All precious. The problems come when bunches of highly emotional people get one overgeneralized idea in their head & push it as the one thing which will save the entire dog world. And will not listen to any evidence that actually would contribute to making many dogs' lives better & more secure.

Miki, a rogue? Never, ESCS ... in his mind he was a small lion protecting his family! He would've given his life for his 'human' children. I'm not surprised that Miki gave the Rottie a free pass ... yes, there was the flattish face again. I know my Tibbie girls adored the huge, gorgeous Rotties they met at Million Paws Walk.... who were so sweet & gentle with them. But the girls also totally accepted a lovely Standard Poodle.... long nose and all! I agree with you.... there's nothing like professional help. And here's wishing the OP the best in finding that help for Carter.

TT, I don't know the particular rescue.... but I totally understand your concern about how your comments, polite & informative, were wiped. And my guess as to reason.... would be the same as yours. There's an unfortunate over-generalized mantra that some groups keep hammering to the public. That is, 'Breeders' cause the pet 'over-population' problem, which leads to the huge numbers of dumped dogs in pounds/shelters.' And they won't listen to any critique that this is such an over-generalization, that it doesn't tell us anything about the actual situation. It's the same as saying, 'People cause the crime problem which leads to large numbers being in jail.'. Where that can only make sense if teased out.... 'Which people?' and 'What do those particular people do?'... as well as 'And who are the people who don't commit crime in the first place?' It seems you did try to tease out the meaningless overgeneralization.... with sound anecdotal evidence from your experience. And it was at that point, you got 'wiped'. Because these people are on an emotional witch-hunt.... not a rational search for how to best understand why many dogs are dumped. There's even some evidence from studies that puppies bred by home-style, hobby, non-commercial breeders are less likely to develop the problems that get dogs dumped. And that's the working style found among registered breeders. There's also evidence that these registered breeders tend to have better control over numbers of litters. All 'breeders' are not the same in what they do & what are the consequences.

One of the other DOLers has a tibbie boy that doesn't like other dogs & can respond aggressively. But he likes those that are brachy types... or close. Bit like himself.

Great that Chester now has firm diagnosis.... so both problems can be directly treated. Let's know how he goes.

I can't add anything else to the excellent advice that most posters gave. My feeling was.... this is DOL at its best. And I totally agree that CM deserves kudos for setting out the problem so clearly & asking for ideas. The professional dog behaviorist would be able to work well with such a client.... & such a gorgeous handsome dog as Carter. There's hope for rotties & small dogs. At Million Paws Walk, my usually self-contained tibbie girls made good friends with 2 of the most handsome, full adult rotties I've ever met. Carefully introduced... it was really touching to see the total trust & good nature among them.

I notice there's a Facebook page asking for the present BSL laws in Denmark, be reviewed. Some interesting (& heart-breaking) entries & pics. They list the irony.... just across the water in Scotland, the authorities there, in 2010, changed their dog safety legislation to reflect deed not breed. Lovely pic of a bully breed dog.... snuggled under the bed covers. Says, They say I'm a fighting dog, but all I fight for is a space on the bed. https://www.facebook.com/BSL.Denmark

Good on you for telling him what he didn't know. One of the registered tibbie breeders (now retired) used to have a section on her website called 'So you want to breed with your dog?'. Then she listed all the things that a responsible breeder has to do & provide.... including lists of complications that can come out of left-field. With everything costed in both money and personal work & stress. She said she needed it as a reference to point a certain kind of frequent enquirer towards ... People who hadn't even thought about breeding until they got a p/b puppy that turned out enchanting in looks and nature. So they'd say...'It's a great pity that such a beautiful creature won't reproduce at least one litter. So we're looking for a suitable mate.' Her frankly written, evidence-based page tended to put them off big-time. Except for a few... the kind who can't be deterred from what they want. Of course, she'd refuse to sell to those. ADDED: I googled & found a registered Lab breeder's page where she does a similar thing. Really pours it on! No worries about over-kill!! I love her last line.... 'borrowed' from Dirty Harry's famous movie question. 'You gotta ask yourself. Do I feel lucky? Well, do you, breeder?' http://www.woodhavenlabs.com/breeding/breeder2.html

We had 3 dogs for quite a while.... 2 shelties & 1 tibbie. No problems at all. Funny thing was the 'breedism'. The shelties stuck together. And the tibbie went her own way .... but was great pals with the tibbie next door & the racing greyhounds at the back. Just had to keep all their health/maintence needs noted.... couldn't rely on memory. But that's still the same, now we have 2 tibbies & 1 cat.

YG, there's a comprehensive list of Respiratory System Diseases here ... written by a vet. Very interesting. http://www.k911.biz/Petsafety/RespiratorySystemDiseases.htm About the sleeping position. I've got a tibbie who prefers to sleep on her stomach.... but with a pillow allowing her chest/head to be more upright. Nothing wrong with her.... but for some reason, she's more comfortable like that. Sometimes it'll be her chin resting up on the pillow. The tibbie next door also likes that position. None of our other dogs... like shelties... did that.

That makes sense, westie... about the complete paralysis coming on gradually. So would be episodic at first. Interesting YG says he's more comfortable upright.... which means something relating to air flow is then less cut off. ADDED: We had a family member who'd get nocturnal asthma & propping her up with pillows so the upper part of her body remained upright... used to be more comfortable for her. I don't want to throw in a red herring but we had an elderly pom, as kids, (inherited from elderly neighbour who died), who'd get episodic 'struggling to breathe' fits. The vet, at the time, with not a lot of technology, called it 'asthma'.

Don't know, Cody. But I notice there's saliva dripping. Laryngeal paralysis wouldn't make it easy to swallow. It's also constant. Not coming in episodes because the paralysis exists all the time.

Be warned, distressing to watch. But someone videotaped their dog struggling to breathe before being taken to the vet.... who diagnosed laryngeal paralysis. Seems it was not in episodes, but constant.

I'll ask our vet tomorrow Gallomph. As you say, correct pressures, etc would need to be considered. I'm glad it worked for your little one and he pulled though :) Chester is currently in a covered crate with the front open for the steam to come through as well as air flow. xx Not suggesting it.... but just out of interest ... Pets America sell pet oxygen masks. I notice on their list, someone from Victoria bought one. Interesting video of 2 fire emergency officers demonstrating how to use one. With a big cooperative dog! http://www.petsamerica.org/programs.html Here's hoping that Chester can get a clear diagnosis.