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Lucky you!! Who is this breeder of whom you speak Oh no one you would know I shouldn't think :D Cheeky

If you're anywhere near Hillsborough this weekend, pop on in and say hi. Happy to chat with you. I'll be sitting with other BC people (PooMother is she comes) and some crazy Bearded Collies too!

Anytime. You're local, Happy to give some guidance with handling etc If you're on Facebook, look me up

Lucky you!! Who is this breeder of whom you speak

I also had a border collie, when i was growing up. Lost him when i was about 15. Can really agree here though, never met one that wasn't always "on", they seem to never be able to relax. Nice dogs nonetheless. Most favourite: Samoyed, Golden Retriever, Labrador, Weimeraner, Hungarian Viszla, Ridgeback, Doberman. Least favourite: Chihuahua and other small breeds. I find pitbulls to be far too energetic too (Very sweet dogs, that love affection, but just never EVER sleep!) Then you most certainly haven't been to my place or spent time with my dogs.

THIS!!! At least those with a mentor have a fighting chance of doing it CORRECTLY!!! Putting two random dogs together and letting them go at it and having cute little bundles 63 days later does NOT a breeder make! If they do ALL the health testing required, for this breed it's hip/elbow scoring, CEA,CL,TNS dna tests and goinioscopy testing. Not to mention the careful consideration put into pedigrees so you don't double up on any problems like Epilepsy etc, then by all means breed away! My guess is BYBers do either ZERO or very very few of these!

I second Nahrof. I don't know many border collie breeders, but I do know the breeders of Nahrof BC's - if I was going to ever get a BC, this is where I would go. Those Nahrof people are not too shabby at all

+1 ( They originated on the border of England/Scotland but Australia is recognised as the country of development of the breed. Some agree with this, some don't but that's why they are included in the Australian Breed competition.

Sending gentle gentle hugs to you. xx

I had such a need to spend some time with Webster yesterday. I'm not sure if it's because time is moving on and I'm scared I'll forget, I'm just not sure but yesterday I NEEDED to be with him, so I went through some photos of him that I have and came up with this. It was so very hard to do and rivers of tears were shed while I was doing it but I feel it's a fitting tribute to the most wonderful companion I'll ever know. It's 7 months today since he left me, and the pain is still so very raw. I'm starting to think that it will never go away, you just learn to live your life with it. Here is my tribute to Webster. There will never be another like him xx http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kp6rfN420Ks

I can't say I've "seen" things but I've felt him. It's hard to explain. He's been gone since September and I have moments where I feel very close to him. Yesterday was one of them. I felt I needed to spend time with him. More a compulsion than a need I think. I did this up for him http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kp6rfN420Ks and truly "felt" him around while I was doing it. Today it's been cold and rainy, he hated days like this and when I walked out into the kitchen I swear he was there, I could smell him. I don't care what people think, I know what I feel and I know he's here still

Agreed I would only scissor the coat under the pad.

My show dogs get Advance and the older ones thrive on Optimum. They all have gleaming coats and look amazing. Occassionally I'll add a raw egg and once a week they'll get a raw bone. They do well on this

There's a movie about it then it MUST be true

Yep, I have done my grieving now (which has included breaking down and blubbering in the toy aisle at K-Mart) but it still hurts so I appreciate it when mothers dont shove their kids at me and expect me to love being around them. Sometimes for my own sake they need to be kept at a distance. And if some people think that means I 'hate' them - then wahoo for them. This is how I feel as well. As a woman, not being able to have kids left me feeling somewhat of a failure for a very long time. Still it is a slightly sensitive topic for me. I'm much much better than I used to be, but I can remember crying over baby clothes in Target and not wanting to be around children for a long time. I certainly don't hate children, but we have made a life out of not having them and I'm as happy as I can be with this new life

After today, NEVER own Border Collies if it rains a lot where you live and you want nice clean dogs and furniture. Lord but mine love mud baths!!!!

RIP sweet girl xx

They like to keep them a little heavier over there, you're so right.

It is quite obvious that you have no knowledge of the history or purpose of this breed, or even seen an extension of the standard, yet are prepared to air your lack of knowledge to denigrate this breed. The peke's history goes back centuries, he was not bred to course, or race, or retrieve, or fight. He was bred to be a companion, he was only allowed to be owned by royalty, he was cared for by eunuchs and slave girls. He is supposed to look exactly as Malachy looks. And he is not overdone. He is a pekinese. The owner did give some explanation of the standard, did you not hear that? It is really sad for you that you cannot appreciate a wonderful example of a breed you don't own, and I have to wonder whether that is due to lack of eye. Most of us don't need to know anything about pekes to see that this is a very very good dog - whatever breed. Pedigree registrations declining and animal rights flourishing are certainly not helped by people such as you, who with demonstrably little knowledge are happy to criticize other breeds because you do not like them or understand them. Unfortunately that attitude hinders all breeds, including your own, which will also be for the chop when the chop comes. If you don't like purebred dogs, and you obviously don't, get some other sort of dogs. If you don't like the way some dogs are bred, or how some dogs look, put your money where your mouth is and do it better yourself. Then come back and tell us all about it. Pekes are great in the ring with their lovely roll - but not if you have a breed "behind" them. :laugh: FYI I just have to share this copy & pasted responce on a forum when someone said they could not help but understand what rescues groups & animal rights people are going on about when a clearly over done example of an already health challanged breed wins BIS. It is quite obvious that you have no knowledge of the history or purpose of this breed, or even seen an extension of the standard, yet are prepared to air your lack of knowledge to denigrate this breed. The peke's history goes back centuries, he was not bred to course, or race, or retrieve, or fight. He was bred to be a companion, he was only allowed to be owned by royalty, he was cared for by eunuchs and slave girls. He is supposed to look exactly as Malachy looks. And he is not overdone. He is a pekinese. The owner did give some explanation of the standard, did you not hear that? It is really sad for you that you cannot appreciate a wonderful example of a breed you don't own, and I have to wonder whether that is due to lack of eye. Most of us don't need to know anything about pekes to see that this is a very very good dog – whatever breed. Pedigree registrations declining and animal rights flourishing are certainly not helped by people such as you, who with demonstrably little knowledge are happy to criticize other breeds because you do not like them or understand them. Unfortunately that attitude hinders all breeds, including your own, which will also be for the chop when the chop comes. If you don't like purebred dogs, and you obviously don't, get some other sort of dogs. If you don't like the way some dogs are bred, or how some dogs look, put your money where your mouth is and do it better yourself. Then come back and tell us all about it. Pekes are great in the ring with their lovely roll – but not if you have a breed "behind" them. Top Well dear me see it's ok that the dog can hardley get about because it was never meant for more than a lap & companion dog & to then go on to doubt the poster has an eye for a dog was ironic to say the least. If anyone is lacking anything to do with eyes it was the poster who made this responce, are they blind how is this an honest example of a Peke unchanged in type from the origan centries ago??? Another reply was that you can't help but notice he's a quality example of his breed even though Peke's where not their cup of tea so to speak. Yep he's a quality example of the absolute mess some breeders are making of many a breed in my eyes but thats the only type of quality I can see. I was the one that said he was a quality example of his breed and HE IS!!!! He didn't look to me like he was having any trouble getting around that HUGE ring. Happy to own that comment and RESTATE, he's a bloody gorgeous DOG!

. You are blissfully ignorant to how responsible & passionate Breeders think and act Sandgrubber, you continue to push your barrow full of hatred and disdain, and aim your sights on anyone that dares to set foot in the show ring or celebrate the wonderful creatures that are dogs. Was it you we saw bundled off as the BIS judge was introduced. What was it on the banner that you were going to hold against your heaving breast. If you honestly believe that all Breeders are in the same boat, that no one gives a damn about health and welfare then you do not mix with right people. I do not think that there is a Breeder here on this forum that would deny that we have to strive for healthy sound animals as the pinnacle of achievement. It would be possible for anyone with depth of knowledge of any of the breeds represented to sit and find fault with those on show, there is no perfect dog and we all acknowledge that. We however chose to celebrate the positive, the beauty and the occasion. You cannot even allow some acknowledgement of beautiful, well trained, well conditioned, happy dogs, without spitting your hatred and spreading your poison. What a negative sour soul you must be. Very well said.

What about professional handlers?? Lucky them, they get to make a living out of being around DOGS!!! Lucky lucky lucky!!! I can't believe how negative you are. What a shame

There is no show on earth quite like it. Honestly the excitement when group judging is on is something to experience. It's like being at a rock concert!!! I try to go as often as I can. Hopefully next year will be my next visit to NYC

I thought the BIS line up at this year's Westminster was one of the best I've seen in years. Any one of them deserved to win. That little Peke strutted his stuff and he knew he was a star!!! LOVED the Doberman as well, she was beautiful. The free stack the GSD did when he came back off his out and back gave me chills. It really is a wonderful show. LOVE WESTMINSTER!!!!

Agreed! He is a lovely Peke! Not the breed of my choice but I like to think that I can appreciate all dogs and he is a particularly good one!

I would like to add: Don't get a Border Collie unless you know how to train a dog. They are easy to train but you need to get it right first go and be able to be consistant with your body language. For a novice dog owner to start with a Border is like someone learning to drive in a Ferrari. Most importantly don't get a Border unless you have a high IQ or the dog will outsmart you at every turn. Border Collies are experts at training their owners if they get half a chance. They are the best breed in the world if you know what you are doing and a complete disaster if you don't. I agree with the first one but absolutely not the second. A new person of course can own a Border Collie. We sell puppies to new owners all the time as long as they have a commitment to attend puppy preschool and basic obedience classes. I actually find the breed quite forgiving in terms of training.