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Ooh forgot about that one! Cetrigen. :laugh: And spray outside, with gloves on, and let it dry properly. Unless you want stain everywhere! Or maybe that's just me being uncoordinated.

Sadly, I do! And will for a long time, so I suppose its a blessing in disguise. I also have Refresh Night Time gel (previous name escapes me) but its two small white tubes with a black lid, ingredients are liquid paraffin (42.5%) and soft white paraffin (57.3%) - would this be safe to use too? Any of the non medicated eye lubricant containing plain old wool fat or paraffin is completely safe. Ointment is very thick though so if you're doing a combination you need to leave a 15-20 min gap between chlorsig first then the lubricant after. It does blur the vision for quite a long time so if that's a problem go for the eye gel rather than eye ointment. What you're trying to do is hold back irritation and ulcer of the scratch. Give the nearest clinic a bell, tell them what you have in your kit and they'll give you the yes or no. :) When you get there they can do the dye test.

Sas will they be working with breed specific rescues?

Eye wash. A couple of saline things from the chemist. One of the dog-safe antihistamines for bee sting. I'll find the dose chart but I'm sure dolers will know it. And if you have anything like chlorsig (eye ointment for a scratch on the eye) which may have been subscribed to you before. Neocort (cortisone cream for itchy bites) they give the dog a little comfort and hopefully stop them chewing enough to damage the skin, while you get to the vet. Also comforts a skin allergy flare-up. Lectade sachet in case of a bit of the runs. As you say, no replacement for a vet but they definitely tide you over on the way there. :)

Yep, #2 Moses in the Cradle. Mulch itself is a source of mould (as it breaks down) which causes skin allergies in sensitive dogs. Replacing with pebbles helps.

No way unreasonable. It's on your property but it's still a business. Every business gets to set it's hours. If you didn't, you would have no life whatsoever and your kids would miss out too. I find with animals there is greater pressure to bend rules .... I can't quite describe what I mean maybe someone else will do better. Like; when pounds have to close up for the day and people crack a wobbler because "if you really cared" then you would let them in.

Maddy and Wreckit I think you are both right. Plausible death, and a whole lot of conspiracy theories. Currently, it doesn't matter who is right because council will ban rescue from the premises.

I swear there was an online ....was it Pets On The Park?

The walk is nice for bringing people together on a happy day. However; If you look closely, the walk has adopted pound dogs being taken straight out of impound. Coughing, snotting and pooing. Sometimes volunteers are also allowed to take dogs still living at the pound out to show them off 'give them exposure'. Not everyone gets as wound up as I do about quarantine but that is hideously stupid and dangerous. Some areas do get unpredictable virulent parvo going through, which can take down dogs halfway through their vacc schedule. Often (but not always) in country areas with a large unvaccinated pet population. IMHO, planned socialisation is safer than than random free run areas, not re just disease because I've seen little pups have terrible traumatic experiences. And the owners just haven't realised until it's too late that not every dog wags it's tail at pups.

Have you checked here? http://www.dogzonline.com.au/breeds/dog-breeders.asp :)

I forgot to add .... a breed I'm in love with, and have rehomed a few Japanese Spitz. They are amazing.

Aussie Terriers! :) Bigger than a silky, easy coat, clever, hardy and so loyal. Awesome little dogs.

How did the kelpie get in there? It's most certainly dead, mauled. At a guess it was likely wet because it was in a puddle of freezing water that gathers when cold concrete areas (that don't slope properly) are hosed out. The construction and conditions do need to be changed and if it's that miserable there I don't expect you'll get an answer about the poor kelpie. But the large dog, it is not bloodied as far as I can see. & Dog aggression and prey drive (cat killing etc) is VERY different to human aggression. The dog approaching someone for a pat doesn't say much and isn't a strong argument. BTW councils are absolutely able to set up a small induction meeting & agreement for potential volunteers. The insurance liability issues are correct except it only takes a bit of time and effort on their part to do what many other pounds have done to mitigate risk.

This link might work ---- distressing image (kelpie) LOCAL NEWS CLIP © Win News Central West Anyone else think it takes a weird turn with that woman holding the cat up in the air?

General warning. Just in case you find distressing images really hard to forget... if you see a photo that looks a bit like an old dark wet towel tossed on the walkway DO NOT CLICK RIP little kelpie

I was reading the articles about it last night, apparently it's circulating everywhere. News is online, I can't find the local news film clip though. Things would be a lot easier to understand without people going off their heads on FB. How do you know what the truth is!? One article (no dead kelpie photos) http://www.cowraguardian.com.au/story/3110593/council-says-kelpie-killer-has-history-of-violence/?cs=591#slide=2 one more; calling for calm http://www.cowraguardian.com.au/story/3110592/outrage-over-pound-visit-sparks-social-media-campaign/?cs=593#slide=2

From what I can gather, you don't just magically get merles sprinkled with fairy dust :laugh: appearing in breeds where there was never gene for it before. And it's a problematic gene that needs a bit of work and keeping an eye on it like Aussie Shepherd breeders do. I could be wrong there. Regardless... it's very sellable because it looks exotic. You wouldn't need to be a registered breeder sticking to the breed standard, you just set yourself up as a breeder people can get their special, unique looking dogs from.

Yay! Too good. They will be very helpful. And I get to use the banana man happydance. lol

If both breeds have genes for a condition (such as PRA), you'll end up with it in the outcross. This is what the oodle farmers don't tell folk. If one breed has a condition, it may introduce it into a gene pool where it was unknown. CEA and MDR1 in Silken Windhounds is an example. Those two conditions are UNKNOWN in older sighthound breeds. However if the breed does not suffer from the condition and the outcross is carefully done, when backcrossed with unaffllicted individuals, you stand a chance of lowering the incidence in a breed. The LUA Dalmation outcross project is an example. As can be discerned from the article, it is not without controversy. I note that the breed used had physical characteristics in common with Dallies and genetic testing was used to verify results. It wasn't a case of "I'll put my X over my Y because I think I might get a handy dog from it". Hmmmm, very very interesting. Would this be why there are merle pomeranians now ... from outcrossing? I had an opps moment by telling my dear pom showing friend that I thought they were cute. :laugh: edit: I don't mean the poms are dear. That reads oddly sorry.

That's so weird. I wonder why they are granting the single pound applications without specifying. Pounds don't seem to mind as long as you go in the gazette, except Campbelltown who asked for every 16D to apply to the general manager. for example; I know without doubt; of one group rescuing from all of NSW because their small town granted them access. It took them about a week to get their stuff into the DLG. AFAIK The clause isn't really needed if a pound makes an agreement with you, there's nothing to say they can't. But it's a pest to have to do all that paperwork again when it's seemingly unnecessary.

When I first did ours I applied to all the councils we could assist. It was a lot of paperwork and it didn't say anywhere that you just needed one council to approve you, DLG to gazette you, and that gives you a 16D to release from everywhere. So groups have just been applying that way. One council. So do I bother with all the faffing around again?

I totally agree. It's normal for people to baby a rescue dog because they believe it has suffered so much that they are doing the right thing by being kind and sympathetic. This has to stop immediately before he bites a child. All the warning signs are there. Don't accept having to make excuses for awful behaviour because when it sinks in that there's 12+ years of awful ahead, people eventually crack, then move the dog on. And that dog will keep bouncing around homes for the rest of it's short life. That's when they land at the pound, unable to be rescued or rehomed because human aggressive dogs are not allowed out. It doesn't matter that he has 3 legs and sad eyes, he could have 2 legs & one eye & been born starving and mangey at the dump, he's still a large teenage dog who needs intervention immediately. There's some good advice and help on Dol. Or they need to send the dog back ...... If it's from a group who takes their dogs back. Some do have a behaviourist on board to help. Did the group desex him? Offer advice?

This is really interesting. So if you outcross, does that mean you just run the risk of doubling up on problems you're trying to get rid of? Like the ooodly dogs. Or is it all based on genetics rater than the condition of the dog itself?

Oh if it was only that easy we would just be able to pluck a breed off the shelf and mate them and make or remake the required breed. Not to mention that many of the breeds originally used to produce the now vulnerable breeds are themselves now extinct. It is that easy :) you don't need the orginal breeds. Chicken people have recreated a large number of breeds in Australia because they can't import birds anymore. All you need to know is temprement and phenotype and you can use what ever you like using the standard as your guide. Lots of cross bred terrier and bitzers out there in working terrier land that would be perfect for breed recreation. The Cochin Chicken is a great example as its from China and we can't import birds from there. http://www.brahmacochin.org/lancehicksmemorial.htm But wouldn't that produce generations of crosses as the breed is 'recreated'? I understand the chickens thing, but dogs aren't chickens. You can't just eat the ones who are not to breed standard. Despite what it may look like, I'm not asking to be difficult :laugh:

yes there's breeds on there that you'd think would be safe, the corgis were a surprise. Does collection of frozen semen help keep breeds alive? Can they harvest eggs? <---- very sorry, I think the answer is going to be no but I had to ask.