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Unbelievable. No sign of a cruelty conviction either. So I guess we're exactly nowhere after all the Vic Govt puppy farm promises.

If it's the rescue's policy then it's their right to choose.

No it's the same thing. Eewwww :laugh:

Containing pet cats is good for them. :) Put aside all the poor wildlife which in some areas of Sydney wouldn't be a consideration in people's minds, and you are still left with a huge problem with squashed and missing cats as well as FIV etc. What I can't see in the article is what they plan on doing with the stray, non-feral cats living amongst us. Assuming it means a clean sweep and euthanasia?

Too many, too late. Always remembered. xx

Roaming domestic cats should be brought to heel The variety of life on Earth – its biodiversity – has taken millions of years to develop. Its complexity is both a strength and a fragility. If something is disturbed or removed will there be a mere shimmer across the surface or will ripples build to a tsunami of losses in unexpected places? The best we know is that there are many threats to biodiversity and we have to take care, limit our losses, and take steps where we can do something to help. Of the many things we could do – one legislative instrument, one signature, would help prevent the further decline of Australia's native species in Canberra, our Bush Capital, through addressing a key threat to our threatened species – roaming domestic cats. This would be to declare all of Canberra a cat containment area, with an appropriate lead-in time. The ACT Domestic Animals Act 2000 provides the mechanism for targeted, practical and effective action against roaming domestic cats in Canberra. full article here http://www.smh.com.au/comment/roaming-domestic-cats-should-be-brought-to-heel-20150331-1mbtca.html Scientists, Jon Stanhope, former Greens push ACT-wide cat lock-up http://www.canberratimes.com.au/environment/animals/scientists-jon-stanhope-former-greens-push-actwide-cat-lockup-20150331-1mbub9.html

If that's a way of saying you're sorry but not sorry if we're too stubborn to care about 'ramifications' then you may have completely missed my point. Information sharing yes, but put-downs about rescuers deliberately covering up whatever research you choose is unfair. There's times I'd happily grab a breeder by the shoulders and drag them to the pound to see the crosses borne of pups they sold entire. Or point out that Trading Post now as the latest fad purebred crossed with all sorts of weird and wonderful pound fodder. But it's not something you say on Dol. Because it's considered breeder bashing, not information sharing.

Friendly ones are great... *grin* T. Does friendly count as not pecking your eyes out? :D

:laugh: Doggy mullet. I totally want to kidnap Smoke.

The wonderful thing about finding reports of this or that, is the way one side or the other has a way of making them prove a point. Like the anti child vaccine arguments. I understand breeders feel passionate about it but it's offensive in the rescue section. We desex. We also care. And the little jibes about it being detrimental and convenient is way out of line. Maybe there is a desexing risk, maybe not. But I'm not interested when frankly on the ground and out of the showring, I'm fed up with pyometra, mammary tumours ....... testicular cancers and enlarged prostate tearing open a massive hernia in the poor boys. I'm fed up that it could be prevented and the dogs we get have been suffering, sometimes terminal. There is zero need for people to have an entire pet if they can't prevent matings, or tell what a uterine infection is and can't see a tumour hanging of their dog's balls.

note to self; make sure you don't have a full coffee cup or a full bladder before reading one of Maddy's posts.

Actually, I just had a flashback to a dog rescued from Hawkesbury. She was rescued and then going straight to a new home, she was safe so I was never given her photos to post. All good. Happy ending. But her NUTCASE fellow rescuer told the adopter that I had deemed the dog not worth saving. A dear little old senior foxy. The owner made a fuss, created a FB page for her all about big bad rescuer deeming his dog not worthy and better off dead. The point to that was; As was stated in another thread, it attracts people who can be worryingly unstable or just downright crazy. Substance and alcohol abuse can be involved as well. I think sometimes that's what those on the outside-looking-in are seeing.

Haredown, sorry but do you have a link to veterinary studies or papers? PM is fine, I'm very interested now you've brought it up. Long story and very off topic. :) Let me google. :) This website looks like a good start I see white dogs rate a few mentions for cancer too. Another Excellent! Thank you :) :)

Haredown, sorry but do you have a link to veterinary studies or papers? PM is fine, I'm very interested now you've brought it up. Long story and very off topic. :)

I understand it's confusing. I'm just explaining what happened and what the deal is for the dog and for you. Sometimes lies about temperament get told, just to get a save. There's currently a rescue facilitators' dogs sitting in other pounds and they (the 'rescue') aren't answering calls. There's dogs being rehomed undesexed by people who are given pound dogs in the same 11th hour scramble. And pound dogs being bred from. & I'm not going to dredge up a horror story from years ago but it was about the worst outcome you would ever expect. Just to make sure dogs don't get euthanised at the pound. It may have worked for you and the rescue - I'm glad it did but, it doesn't always. Which is endlessly frustrating and damaging to rescue in general. They are also very fortunate that you are honest and will hold up your end of the bargain. Once a dog is physically in someone else's hands the rescue has zero control and presume the microchip is enough to get it back. So you got your dog, but you still need to understand that even if a group doesn't run that way, it's not in an attempt to be rude or unreasonable, or hold onto every dog. They are trying to get it right not just crossing fingers and hoping. OK, the Rottweiler being through 3 different rescues is a red flag. That's not normal. And as for the reasons for your refusal...some I see as reasonable if it's relevant to the dog in care and adoption policies. Case by case. But overweight? I thought I'd heard everything. Did they do a yard check and then eyeball you as well? Maybe I'm too fat to rescue :laugh: Haredown, I should have just said what you did. LOL, too much rambling today. as usual, edited for spelling!

You seem to have 2 gripes, first being communication which is what this thread was about. Second, if I've interpreted correctly; You've gotten a group to pull a dog out of the pound and given it to you with no vetwork done then that is not "rescue". That's facilitating. That is you choosing a pound dog and them using their council approval to get it out for you. And I hope you don't need to return it anytime soon because they have no obligation to help. You can also take the dog and vanish because dogs are property, there's no law to force you to do anything with it let alone notify them. If they are happy with this method then fine but you are now pleased because someone took a gamble on a dog's future. Short story is you wanted what you wanted, weren't interested in a rehoming process unless it went your way. And now you have a dog. You barely knew the dog and are fortunate it worked out. Unfortunately it seems like this has cemented in your mind as the right and reasonable way to do things. BUT Rescues aren't always wrong or weird because they turn down a home. Sometimes they actually care for both the dog and the people. This is a common complaint but it's not your place to decide how long is "too long". If you were rehoming your own dog I'm sure you would take as long as you want to find a home you felt happy with.

Ernie is so cute :)

It's true that not everyone is involved in rescue for the same reason. But being different isn't the problem as long as the animals are always the ones who positively benefit. Not everyone in rescue is going to agree, they don't need to. Trying to fit everyone into the same box gives people a black & white view of good and bad aka ethical and unethical. I rescue slow and steady, I do come under criticism (or just plain nastiness lol) re; by being slower and doing things like application forms and home visits, means I'm letting pound dogs die. But my way works for my dogs, & won't be changing to keep up with the Joneses. Is that ethical or unethical? Depends on the beholder. If I could offer some observations that usually go ignored :laugh: ...... There's the demands of the general public to take more and more. -- You need to learn to fight guilt and learn to say no. You can't save everyone. There's imagining your skills and ethics as being much better than the reality. And doing things like getting in up to your neck in animals you can't properly pay for or care for. -- You need to totally get real about what you can and can't do. Or even why you do it. There's the gratification of proving your success by just making money. And using all sorts of imaginative ways to make it. Or how quickly you can raise an 'army' to go slam someone for you. Or getting off on how many likes and comments one of your posts makes. -- You get noticed, but not in a good way. Your rescue network begins to shrink, other rescuers and volunteers take a step back when they know your stories are bullshit or malicious. Be honest. Lies bring you undone. There's a thought that you have worked it all out. -- No you haven't. Nobody ever will. Not even Winograd ;-) And there's a lot of glory seeking and people getting hooked on the attention, desperate for praise and approval. Some regularly have a tantie. Or flamboyantly 'quit' but can't stay away when starved for attention and drama-- You aren't all powerful. You aren't the indisputable Answer. Your adoring crowd doesn't equal good rescue work. You need to have the self confidence to keep moving without constantly being told you're an angel. You aren't, and it doesn't matter anyway. In the end it can be thankless and isolating work. I'm sad to see longevity in rescue is becoming a rare thing. (edited because I only notice spelling mistakes after posting )

Oh Anne I'm so sorry. You must feel lost without him. xxxxxxx

Thank you all so much. Stressy, I'll let you know immediately when I finally get antlers. :) T, I've just stolen that photo :laugh: Spoony, thank you very much, right now I think we're sorted but if a job comes up for you I'll inbox you in a flash. hehe This is all very good timing. I'm just back from a specialist surgeon pre-op consult.... well if you don't laugh you'd cry. These critters love running up bills. Bless 'em.

Oh my god those poor dogs. If they don't know what causes it and how to treat it, no wonder it has spread. I hope our distance and quarantine protects us.

:laugh: I'll be sourcing veggie ears that look like the full ear with the gross earhole bit LOL (not the chopped off ones we've got for now) so a lab chomp may be needed :D :D and eventually antlers when we can afford them. Could be a while. lol (Thanks viszlamom for sending me the perfect antler link! )

The bill put forward in NSW to ban pet shop sales a few years ago didn't get far. Clover Moore tried but it was dead in the water once the pet retail industry sent in their cronies. Even if they did win, retail is only one part of the problem. NSW will now be the haven for commercial breeding facilities and nobody can stop them moving in from other states and getting permits to run (if they have to). The RSPCA is left to seek them out, but they can't act outside the law. AJP; no idea how they plan to accomplish things but if they do it will be a miracle. I'm not going to name their own slimy "organisation", who will fight welfare legislation that doesn't suit them. Creating their own version of how to identify a puppy farm. Which is: as long as it is clean and up to the minimum standards then it should be left alone because it's just commercial or large scale. According to them, the good the puppy farms have been innocently dragged into discussion by dimwit activists who don't know the difference. At a dog function last year, I sat down and the fellow guest next to me tried to give me a farmer org member's business card. I knew the name and it went down like a lead fart.

Oooh I love cav faces! Totally kissable. You have very beautiful helpers there. :)

Very much the kind of breed aka 'a lot of dog' that will bounce back to the shelter if they don't find someone with experience. I'm not going to criticise their policies, they don't sound wholly different to others but it's a true shame there isn't a little wiggle room or at least better communication in order to open up a few more opportunities for a very special type of dog. Or any dog for that matter. The difficulty in dealing with them is NOT unique by any means in pounds, shelters and rescues. It does make me wonder what's going on in there with the volunteers though. They sound completely frazzled and unable to cope with the heavy demands of an open shelter. Nor the changes in what the public expect from animal welfare workers. & No undesexed dogs in the home policy is not unique either. Oh and those reviews... LOL, charming.