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From what I can gather, you don't just magically get merles sprinkled with fairy dust :laugh: appearing in breeds where there was never gene for it before. And it's a problematic gene that needs a bit of work and keeping an eye on it like Aussie Shepherd breeders do. I could be wrong there. Regardless... it's very sellable because it looks exotic. You wouldn't need to be a registered breeder sticking to the breed standard, you just set yourself up as a breeder people can get their special, unique looking dogs from.

Yay! Too good. They will be very helpful. And I get to use the banana man happydance. lol

If both breeds have genes for a condition (such as PRA), you'll end up with it in the outcross. This is what the oodle farmers don't tell folk. If one breed has a condition, it may introduce it into a gene pool where it was unknown. CEA and MDR1 in Silken Windhounds is an example. Those two conditions are UNKNOWN in older sighthound breeds. However if the breed does not suffer from the condition and the outcross is carefully done, when backcrossed with unaffllicted individuals, you stand a chance of lowering the incidence in a breed. The LUA Dalmation outcross project is an example. As can be discerned from the article, it is not without controversy. I note that the breed used had physical characteristics in common with Dallies and genetic testing was used to verify results. It wasn't a case of "I'll put my X over my Y because I think I might get a handy dog from it". Hmmmm, very very interesting. Would this be why there are merle pomeranians now ... from outcrossing? I had an opps moment by telling my dear pom showing friend that I thought they were cute. :laugh: edit: I don't mean the poms are dear. That reads oddly sorry.

That's so weird. I wonder why they are granting the single pound applications without specifying. Pounds don't seem to mind as long as you go in the gazette, except Campbelltown who asked for every 16D to apply to the general manager. for example; I know without doubt; of one group rescuing from all of NSW because their small town granted them access. It took them about a week to get their stuff into the DLG. AFAIK The clause isn't really needed if a pound makes an agreement with you, there's nothing to say they can't. But it's a pest to have to do all that paperwork again when it's seemingly unnecessary.

When I first did ours I applied to all the councils we could assist. It was a lot of paperwork and it didn't say anywhere that you just needed one council to approve you, DLG to gazette you, and that gives you a 16D to release from everywhere. So groups have just been applying that way. One council. So do I bother with all the faffing around again?

I totally agree. It's normal for people to baby a rescue dog because they believe it has suffered so much that they are doing the right thing by being kind and sympathetic. This has to stop immediately before he bites a child. All the warning signs are there. Don't accept having to make excuses for awful behaviour because when it sinks in that there's 12+ years of awful ahead, people eventually crack, then move the dog on. And that dog will keep bouncing around homes for the rest of it's short life. That's when they land at the pound, unable to be rescued or rehomed because human aggressive dogs are not allowed out. It doesn't matter that he has 3 legs and sad eyes, he could have 2 legs & one eye & been born starving and mangey at the dump, he's still a large teenage dog who needs intervention immediately. There's some good advice and help on Dol. Or they need to send the dog back ...... If it's from a group who takes their dogs back. Some do have a behaviourist on board to help. Did the group desex him? Offer advice?

This is really interesting. So if you outcross, does that mean you just run the risk of doubling up on problems you're trying to get rid of? Like the ooodly dogs. Or is it all based on genetics rater than the condition of the dog itself?

Oh if it was only that easy we would just be able to pluck a breed off the shelf and mate them and make or remake the required breed. Not to mention that many of the breeds originally used to produce the now vulnerable breeds are themselves now extinct. It is that easy :) you don't need the orginal breeds. Chicken people have recreated a large number of breeds in Australia because they can't import birds anymore. All you need to know is temprement and phenotype and you can use what ever you like using the standard as your guide. Lots of cross bred terrier and bitzers out there in working terrier land that would be perfect for breed recreation. The Cochin Chicken is a great example as its from China and we can't import birds from there. http://www.brahmacochin.org/lancehicksmemorial.htm But wouldn't that produce generations of crosses as the breed is 'recreated'? I understand the chickens thing, but dogs aren't chickens. You can't just eat the ones who are not to breed standard. Despite what it may look like, I'm not asking to be difficult :laugh:

yes there's breeds on there that you'd think would be safe, the corgis were a surprise. Does collection of frozen semen help keep breeds alive? Can they harvest eggs? <---- very sorry, I think the answer is going to be no but I had to ask.

I'm sure everyone has done a bit of Sunday arvo googling about dog breeds Skye, Lakeland and Kerry you know... the 'one day' dream dogs. Anyway, I ended up on wiki, then on the Kennel Club site.... There here; http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/getting-a-dog-or-puppy/finding-the-right-dog/vulnerable-native-breeds/ Is this right? That so many are just hanging on? Or is it that other registries are being used instead? It's probably the same in other countries too and not a shock to some but seeing dogs fade away in their homeland is sad I had absolutely no idea.

Most of our rescued dogs are tiny to small, and almost every second one has had rear dew claws hanging on by thin skin, I always have them removed. They are a tangle hazard and also hide scarily well under fluffy hair. We did have a rotty through once with double rear dew claws that flapped around when he walked :laugh: so they were removed. Not many docked silkies/yorkies are around anymore but all of them have had front dew claws removed as well. My main problem with front dew claws in the littlies is they don't seem get enough use to wear them down so you have to trim the nail regularly. Haven't had any caught or torn here yet but some dogs come in with that tiny nail curled all the way around and deep into the pad.

Cat lollies :laugh: Google 'upcycle cat litter box' and the photos will be better than my description but basically, a little piece of furniture with a cat size entry and the tray further to the back so it's hard to reach. eg here http://indulgy.com/post/nmtjfEJgR1/hidden-litter-box

Noooo I'm too scared to google! Agreed, I'm not sure that this wasn't some sicko getting his kicks. I think he is having you on;really why would anyone give such details over the phone knowing it is a crime. If he wanted to surrender a dog he could do so at any shelter he chose without saying anything. Not if it isn't his dog to surrender... T. So why was he ringing a rescuer to take the dog;the whole thing is very odd. T is probably thinking of the granny who used to constantly attempt to surrender her adult daughter's fluffy dog to different rescues. It was weird and a bit of a mystery, but she was really determined. I can't remember exactly what the hell was going on, there were grandkids involved. She probably just kept on trying with her stories until she found a group who said yes. (edit; the chip was in her daughter's name so taking the dog to the pound was only going to end in a phonecall to the real owner which I'm sure she found out from practical experience)

First time dog owner! IMHO Desex. :) No offence but this is your first dog, you aren't going to breed from her and even experienced owners can have accidents. It happens that fast. Let her grow some more if you prefer, as long as you can absolutely guarantee she will be safe. You may need to crate her if you can't manage. And whatever you do in the end, please please at least get rid of her uterus. Pyometra is a killer. Philosophically speaking, yes dogs are amazing souls with a lot more going on than we can yet understand. But I only have desexed pets (and desex every single rescue dog) and I don't believe they have ever for one moment pondered the ways it has changed their lives or feel like something is missing. Nor do I believe they are missing out on life by not going through phases of desperately wanting to mate and the frustrations of not being able to; because we as humans have control over their lives in every aspect. They never really progress mentally past the toddler age of human thought so what a good owner does is do some thinking for them, control situations or curb instincts and wants (call it agency) that are potentially harmful or risky. I don't mean purely regarding the desexing topic. Aussie you are so lucky! :laugh: girls in season drive me mad. I get the suziwong circus. LOL Lucky it never happens a 2nd time. ;-)

I really do hope it's a load of crap and a wind-up. The fact that he didn't call the rspca to either surrender the dog and/or tell his story to them first is a bit odd but who knows what's wrong with some people. There may actually be a dog belonging to his (ex) girlfriend that he'd like to part her from in a nasty (gross) revenge. Seriously, if a normal person caught their partner once then there wouldn't be a twice!!! *vomit*

RSPCA comment 2014 http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/illegal-puppy-farm-continued-to-operate-despite-reports-to-rspca-wyndham-council-20140617-zs9lx.html As part of the proposed 'smashing' of puppy farms the RSPCA are earmarked for $5mil funding to do inspections but I can't see why this ongoing cruelty needs to go on until 2020 before anyone can touch him with either new legislation or new powers.

omg a penis!!

Unbelievable. No sign of a cruelty conviction either. So I guess we're exactly nowhere after all the Vic Govt puppy farm promises.

If it's the rescue's policy then it's their right to choose.

No it's the same thing. Eewwww :laugh:

Containing pet cats is good for them. :) Put aside all the poor wildlife which in some areas of Sydney wouldn't be a consideration in people's minds, and you are still left with a huge problem with squashed and missing cats as well as FIV etc. What I can't see in the article is what they plan on doing with the stray, non-feral cats living amongst us. Assuming it means a clean sweep and euthanasia?

Too many, too late. Always remembered. xx

Roaming domestic cats should be brought to heel The variety of life on Earth – its biodiversity – has taken millions of years to develop. Its complexity is both a strength and a fragility. If something is disturbed or removed will there be a mere shimmer across the surface or will ripples build to a tsunami of losses in unexpected places? The best we know is that there are many threats to biodiversity and we have to take care, limit our losses, and take steps where we can do something to help. Of the many things we could do – one legislative instrument, one signature, would help prevent the further decline of Australia's native species in Canberra, our Bush Capital, through addressing a key threat to our threatened species – roaming domestic cats. This would be to declare all of Canberra a cat containment area, with an appropriate lead-in time. The ACT Domestic Animals Act 2000 provides the mechanism for targeted, practical and effective action against roaming domestic cats in Canberra. full article here http://www.smh.com.au/comment/roaming-domestic-cats-should-be-brought-to-heel-20150331-1mbtca.html Scientists, Jon Stanhope, former Greens push ACT-wide cat lock-up http://www.canberratimes.com.au/environment/animals/scientists-jon-stanhope-former-greens-push-actwide-cat-lockup-20150331-1mbub9.html

If that's a way of saying you're sorry but not sorry if we're too stubborn to care about 'ramifications' then you may have completely missed my point. Information sharing yes, but put-downs about rescuers deliberately covering up whatever research you choose is unfair. There's times I'd happily grab a breeder by the shoulders and drag them to the pound to see the crosses borne of pups they sold entire. Or point out that Trading Post now as the latest fad purebred crossed with all sorts of weird and wonderful pound fodder. But it's not something you say on Dol. Because it's considered breeder bashing, not information sharing.

Friendly ones are great... *grin* T. Does friendly count as not pecking your eyes out? :D