Womans Arm Severed By Dog

[matt13b]

I hope she is alright and that we get more details of the story.

I cringe as a Staffy owner whenever I hear these news stories knowing that it just adds fuel to the fire on the dangerous dog debate.

[SmoothieGirl]

Typically the media are muddling and fumbling with the details, I just read two news stories in three minutes one from nine.msn and one from abc. One had her at 57 and the dog a pit bull, the other had her at 67 and the dog a pit bull, staffy cross.

Either way a terrible incident for all parties involved. Lets just hope we don't see the usual knee jerk repercussions directed at the responsible dog community from the authorities.

[Her Majesty Dogmad]

The trouble is, far too many people are irresponsible with large, powerful and potentially lethal dogs.

Did anyone read the post about the 2 hunting dogs ripping a tiny pony apart? And those owners do not believe their dogs should be euthanased! WTF??? They need serious treatment themselves - where is the responsibility? Where is the empathy for the suffering of this innocent little creature, minding its own business in its own backyard or for its owners who will never truly recover from such horror???

There are stories day after day of such horrific attacks.

I just cannot imagine if the dog had ripped the lady's arm off and almost severed the other, how it was stopped from killing her. That is amazing in itself. A truly terrible and haunting story.

We are eventually going to get to the point of a very regulated society when finally the govt acts to try and prevent these occurrences, that could include not only breeds but size of dogs perhaps? Who knows where it will end eventually and all because of a---holes in our community.

Edited March 23, 2010 by dogmad

[ILK]

I heard this on my car radio driving home at 6pm tonight which has prompted me to look for a possible thread on the subject.

The news report I heard stated that one of the woman's arms had been ripped off, the other was seriously injured & she also had facial injuries. Some guy commented and I don't know who it was he said something along the lines of, "No-one should own a pitbull as a pet, it is easy for them to go back to what they were originally bred for and that is attacking".

It made me feel sick. Most of us know pitsbulls are beautiful loving family dogs. There has to be a reason the dog attacked.

Does a pet dog really turn on it's owner like that for no reason

[mantis]

in the link at the bottom of the courier mail, it states that its a friends dog she was babysitting, it also speculates that the dog was a "pit/staff x"

As usual too many differing reports on the one story. It was her dog, then it was a dog she was looking after, she was 57, then 67, a Pitbull cross, then a suspected Staffy/Pitbull cross.

A sad story & I feel for the lady, but you can see dog haters lining up yet again asking for all big dogs being banned.

[Longcoat]

dogs capable of such horrific attack, the owners would have seen aggressive behaviour surface before the real deal is done

perhaps they did - and didn't think it would escalate:perhaps this was a first and last;if she was unknown to the dog- something may have happened to stress /antagonise the dog....

Very sad for everyone.

Those powerful jaws -guess she's lucky it was limbs and not head.

Only the owners can prevent these type of attacks and when they happen, the owners have obviously failed their responsibilities.

[ILK]

in the link at the bottom of the courier mail, it states that its a friends dog she was babysitting, it also speculates that the dog was a "pit/staff x"

As usual too. many differing reports on the one story. It was her dog, then it was a dog she was looking after, she was 57, then 67, a Pitbull cross, then a suspected Staffy/Pitbull cross.

A sad story & I feel for the lady, but you can see dog haters lining up yet again asking for all big dogs being banned.

Yes mantis I can see the haters coming in here. It is the breed I feel sorry for. People are so quick to point the finger and judge without having to suffer the repercussions of their own stupidity & public outrage. These people are the detriment to our gorgeous strong breeds and unfortunately dog ownership is just not screened enough to protect the dog itself.....

[Longcoat]

I heard this on my car radio driving home at 6pm tonight which has prompted me to look for a possible thread on the subject.

The news report I heard stated that one of the woman's arms had been ripped off, the other was seriously injured & she also had facial injuries. Some guy commented and I don't know who it was he said something along the lines of, "No-one should own a pitbull as a pet, it is easy for them to go back to what they were originally bred for and that is attacking".

It made me feel sick. Most of us know pitsbulls are beautiful loving family dogs. There has to be a reason the dog attacked.

Does a pet dog really turn on it's owner like that for no reason

Unfortunately, these incidents which appear to the general public as frenzied attacks from dogs out of control causing horrific injury if not reported rightly or wrongly as Pit Bull's, they will be Bull something most of the time. Most people do think Pit Bull's are a terrible dangerous breed which is the general problem intensified when these attacks occur.

[mantis]

in the link at the bottom of the courier mail, it states that its a friends dog she was babysitting, it also speculates that the dog was a "pit/staff x"

As usual too. many differing reports on the one story. It was her dog, then it was a dog she was looking after, she was 57, then 67, a Pitbull cross, then a suspected Staffy/Pitbull cross.

A sad story & I feel for the lady, but you can see dog haters lining up yet again asking for all big dogs being banned.

Yes mantis I can see the haters coming in here. It is the breed I feel sorry for. People are so quick to point the finger and judge without having to suffer the repercussions of their own stupidity & public outrage. These people are the detriment to our gorgeous strong breeds and unfortunately dog ownership is just not screened enough to protect the dog itself.....

Yep & once again on another site I'm a member of, there will be a thread directed at me about this incident. These people never post about other breeds attacking, they just attack the Pitty, it makes me so sad that people are getting hurt by dogs owned by irresponsible owners & one breed is always the one being blamed.

At least my sweet boy who is nearly 12 is safe, snoring away on his bed.

[poodlefan]

What I find particularly tragic about such attacks is that in addition to the harm caused to the victims, time and again the labelling of an attacking dog as a particular breed stops all questions about the dogs background and life being asked.

Regardless of breed, dogs that maim and kill are made, not born. All the studies show that.

Many such dogs are young, male, entire, poorly socialised and trained and acquired and kept in a manner that is as far from being a "family pet' as you can get.

Now the breed card has been played, no facts will be provided about how, where and when this dog was acquired and how it lived. I'd be prepared to bet spades this dog has a history of aggression but the owner is unlikely to be candid about it even if asked.

So the opportunity for others to learn from this tragedy is denied. Again.

Edited March 23, 2010 by poodlefan

[WreckitWhippet]

I'd like to know how many of the boxes that dog ticked

[ILK]

in the link at the bottom of the courier mail, it states that its a friends dog she was babysitting, it also speculates that the dog was a "pit/staff x"

As usual too. many differing reports on the one story. It was her dog, then it was a dog she was looking after, she was 57, then 67, a Pitbull cross, then a suspected Staffy/Pitbull cross.

A sad story & I feel for the lady, but you can see dog haters lining up yet again asking for all big dogs being banned.

Yes mantis I can see the haters coming in here. It is the breed I feel sorry for. People are so quick to point the finger and judge without having to suffer the repercussions of their own stupidity & public outrage. These people are the detriment to our gorgeous strong breeds and unfortunately dog ownership is just not screened enough to protect the dog itself.....

Yep & once again on another site I'm a member of, there will be a thread directed at me about this incident. These people never post about other breeds attacking, they just attack the Pitty, it makes me so sad that people are getting hurt by dogs owned by irresponsible owners & one breed is always the one being blamed.

At least my sweet boy who is nearly 12 is safe, snoring away on his bed.

The saddest part about this mantis is that even sensible dog owners are frightened of pitbulls primarlily because we have to trust the owner that is looking after the dog. How sensible were the owners of this particular dog?

[Longcoat]

'poodlefan' date='23rd Mar 2010 - 09:30 PM' post='4412831']

Regardless of breed, dogs that maim and kill are made, not born. All the studies show that.

The are plenty of dogs of various breeds that have the genetic instincts to maim and kill, the studies are wrong, nonesense infact. The difference is in the raising and training dogs of this nature that makes them safe.

[mantis]

in the link at the bottom of the courier mail, it states that its a friends dog she was babysitting, it also speculates that the dog was a "pit/staff x"

As usual too. many differing reports on the one story. It was her dog, then it was a dog she was looking after, she was 57, then 67, a Pitbull cross, then a suspected Staffy/Pitbull cross.

A sad story & I feel for the lady, but you can see dog haters lining up yet again asking for all big dogs being banned.

Yes mantis I can see the haters coming in here. It is the breed I feel sorry for. People are so quick to point the finger and judge without having to suffer the repercussions of their own stupidity & public outrage. These people are the detriment to our gorgeous strong breeds and unfortunately dog ownership is just not screened enough to protect the dog itself.....

Yep & once again on another site I'm a member of, there will be a thread directed at me about this incident. These people never post about other breeds attacking, they just attack the Pitty, it makes me so sad that people are getting hurt by dogs owned by irresponsible owners & one breed is always the one being blamed.

At least my sweet boy who is nearly 12 is safe, snoring away on his bed.

The saddest part about this mantis is that even sensible dog owners are frightened of pitbulls primarlily because we have to trust the owner that is looking after the dog. How sensible were the owners of this particular dog?

Well we don't know what caused the attack & I'm truly horrified why the dog did this, I find it hard to believe a dog would turn like this, unless it hasn't been raised properly. People are always telling me I am at risk from my sweet boy because of his breed & the fact he only weighs 8kgs less than me. People don't understand if you have raised your dog properly, with lots if love & training, you don't have to worry.

[HugUrPup]

I feel sick that's horrific. Must have been one pissed off powerful pooch.

I'd never own anything that size, just out of respect and fear

[WreckitWhippet]

'poodlefan' date='23rd Mar 2010 - 09:30 PM' post='4412831']

Regardless of breed, dogs that maim and kill are made, not born. All the studies show that.

The are plenty of dogs of various breeds that have the genetic instincts to maim and kill, the studies are wrong, nonesense infact. The difference is in the raising and training dogs of this nature that makes them safe.

Did I just read that right ? There are breeds out there that are geneticallyt predisposed to maim and kill , is that right ?

The studies that Poodlefan mentions are not nonsense, they highlight some very important factors that are often present, when it comes to how many dogs that are involved in attacks are raised and treated. Statistically, they are also more likely to be male, young and entire.

Edited March 23, 2010 by SBT123

[Longcoat]

'poodlefan' date='23rd Mar 2010 - 09:30 PM' post='4412831']

Regardless of breed, dogs that maim and kill are made, not born. All the studies show that.

The are plenty of dogs of various breeds that have the genetic instincts to maim and kill, the studies are wrong, nonesense infact. The difference is in the raising and training dogs of this nature that makes them safe.

Did I just read that right ? There are breeds out there that are geneticallyt predisposed to maim and kill , is that right ?

The studies that Poodlefan mentions are not nonsense, they highlight some very important factors that are often present, when it comes to how many dogs that are involved in attacks are raised and treated. Statistically, they are also more likely to be male, young and entire.

It's complete nonesense SBT123 totally. Dogs know how to attack and bite and are born with that skill. If it surfaces or not largely depends on how the dog is raised and trained.

[whippets]

What I find particularly tragic about such attacks is that in addition to the harm caused to the victims, time and again the labelling of an attacking dog as a particular breed stops all questions about the dogs background and life being asked.

Regardless of breed, dogs that maim and kill are made, not born. All the studies show that.

Many such dogs are young, male, entire, poorly socialised and trained and acquired and kept in a manner that is as far from being a "family pet' as you can get.

Now the breed card has been played, no facts will be provided about how, where and when this dog was acquired and how it lived. I'd be prepared to bet spades this dog has a history of aggression but the owner is unlikely to be candid about it even if asked.

So the opportunity for others to learn from this tragedy is denied. Again.

I disagree TOTALLY. These dogs have the instinct. They definately need level headed people who can train and handle these dog to curb that fighting instinct.

APBT's and the like are not for your average Joe dog owner. I don't need any studies to work that one out.

Anyway, I hope they can save that ladies arm. Poor woman

[ILK]

'poodlefan' date='23rd Mar 2010 - 09:30 PM' post='4412831']

Regardless of breed, dogs that maim and kill are made, not born. All the studies show that.

The are plenty of dogs of various breeds that have the genetic instincts to maim and kill, the studies are wrong, nonesense infact. The difference is in the raising and training dogs of this nature that makes them safe.

Did I just read that right ? There are breeds out there that are geneticallyt predisposed to maim and kill , is that right ?

The studies that Poodlefan mentions are not nonsense, they highlight some very important factors that are often present, when it comes to how many dogs that are involved in attacks are raised and treated. Statistically, they are also more likely to be male, young and entire.

It's complete nonesense SBT123 totally. Dogs know how to attack and bite and are born with that skill. If it surfaces or not largely depends on how the dog is raised and trained.

Unfortunatlely it is not complete nonsense. Certain breeds need to have the biting instinct bred out of them. Some dogs bite, but to rip an arm off its owner or even a neighbour, that is bazaar behaviour and has to be involved with training or upbringing.

edit for spelling mistake

Edited March 23, 2010 by ILK

[Jed]

How terribly sad. I too hope that we find out something about the reason for the attack.

Paranoid thing that I am, it has bothered me for some time that once attacking dogs were all labelled "pitbulls" even if green and 5 cms tall. Since the bans, a lot of attacks have been perpetrated by staffies, or staffyx, or pitbull x staffy, and I wonder if we are in for another round of bans?

Bothers me a lot.

Krislin, to answer your question. I rough house my boxers and I can guarantee that it would be impossible to get one off if it was intent on harm. They are too agile, too quick and too powerful. Our games are games, and "no" is understood, no harm is meant, no dog ever becomes overexcited, but it's hard work keeping them off when they are playing. Having one attack would be terrifying. I would be toast!!

Whippets

I disagree TOTALLY. These dogs have the instinct. They definately need level headed people who can train and handle these dog to curb that fighting instinct.

APBT's and the like are not for your average Joe dog owner. I don't need any studies to work that one out.

Crap. All dogs have the instinct.

The majority of pit bulls were, and are nice family pets. I knew a few which belonged to little old ladies and were delightful. And they were nice family pets owned by average Joe dog owner. There are pitbulls which have UD titles, and dogs which are as mild as can be.

Some of the pitbulls done to death in Qld were in their twilight years, and had never been anything but excellent family companions, friends to their children, and never done anything wrong. No one is telling you about the thousands of nice, decent dogs which were killed, who had never done anything wrong, and would never do anything wrong. Dogs which lived with families, cats, kids, played, and loved their families.

There are families so traumatised by having their lovely family pet ripped from them and killed, they will NEVER have another dog, and they will never vote labour, or have any regard for government.

There is always an exciting cause for attacks ---- and the cause is never "pitbull". the problem is the media says "pitbull" as if that is the sole reason for the attack, and never goes into any causes. If you ever get a chance to see the reasons for attacks, have a look. There IS always a cause. NO dog "suddenly" turns. The behaviour was there all the time, but it may have been unrecognized, or it may have been fostered accidentally.

Pitbulls have been throroughly demonised. A lot of the attacks are not even by pitbulls.

Any dog can do serious damage. Whilst we are blaming pitbulls for every attack, government is not taking their responsibility to protect the public seriously, so these attacks continue.