Family Attacked By Dogs On Melbourne Street

[Her Majesty Dogmad]

Whatever breed these dogs are, they need to be euthanased, they are plain dangerous as are the owners - they are too moronic for words. Hope they have to pay very hefty fines and are banned from dog ownership permanently.

[snow_wolf]

Whatever breed these dogs are, they need to be euthanased, they are plain dangerous as are the owners - they are too moronic for words. Hope they have to pay very hefty fines and are banned from dog ownership permanently.

I think the owners should be pts too

[snow_wolf]

Whatever breed these dogs are, they need to be euthanased, they are plain dangerous as are the owners - they are too moronic for words. Hope they have to pay very hefty fines and are banned from dog ownership permanently.

I think the owners should be pts too

[chrisjc]

Two doggies, my post wasnt about trying to single out a specific breed maybee you should read into it a little less, if you knew anything about these types of attacks you would know that the wrong breed is generally named to get news headlines. I was just pointing out that even now there are mixed answers after the third instant of reporting, and the fact that you think because the owner claimed them to be pitbulls is laughable. As an APBT owner for over a decade people of all types have no idea what an apbt is, over half the people who claim to have APBT or "pitties" in this country infact have a rotten x breed of mastiff and apbt of staff or any other random bull breed mix. Something i obviously know about and you obviously do not.

Breed is irellavent but i still had a point to make.

The owners should be banned from owning dogs and heavily fined. Lucky that this time there was a male adult to help and cop the brunt instead of the rest of this poor young family, i wish you a speedy recovery.

[twodoggies2001]

Two doggies, my post wasnt about trying to single out a specific breed maybee you should read into it a little less, if you knew anything about these types of attacks you would know that the wrong breed is generally named to get news headlines. I was just pointing out that even now there are mixed answers after the third instant of reporting, and the fact that you think because the owner claimed them to be pitbulls is laughable. As an APBT owner for over a decade people of all types have no idea what an apbt is, over half the people who claim to have APBT or "pitties" in this country infact have a rotten x breed of mastiff and apbt of staff or any other random bull breed mix. Something i obviously know about and you obviously do not.

Breed is irellavent but i still had a point to make.

The owners should be banned from owning dogs and heavily fined. Lucky that this time there was a male adult to help and cop the brunt instead of the rest of this poor young family, i wish you a speedy recovery.

If you reread MY post you will also see that it wasn't me that said the owner said one of the dogs was a pitbull. Yes, it definately doesn't make any difference what breed these two dogs are extremely dangerous and should not be given any airspace. It wasn't just this poor unfortunate family that was attacked. These brutes attacked another young fellow down the same street, and another young man walking with his girlfriend. The last chap was also admitted to hospital with horrific wounds. If these two dogs were yours, what would you do?

[chrisjc]

For starters, if these dogs were mine this wouldnt have happened at all.

Yes i do agree that they would have to get a dirt nap, and very quickly.

[Nekhbet]

sounds like some backyard protection training involved.

Both dogs need PTS, they should never leave the pound. The owners should never own an animal again, if they did train the dogs especially. Bloody rednecks :D

[Dogsrawesome]

poor family hope the kids arent scared of dogs now :D well i guess they have a reason to be ;) And good on the father for looking after his family like that what a hero.

Now the Staffords are going to have a really bad name put against them all because of the stupid owners i swear some people just shouldnt have pets

[mikebailey]

poor family hope the kids arent scared of dogs now well i guess they have a reason to be And good on the father for looking after his family like that what a hero.

Now the Staffords are going to have a really bad name put against them all because of the stupid owners i swear some people just shouldnt have pets

Why did the dogs bite the people? Does anyone know what events preceded the attack?

[TsarsMum]

its says they where walking down the street i dont think they did anything.

my nephew was attacked by a staffie on his paper round, lucky it was not bad but shook the hell out of him. so his dad did the right thing knocked on the owners door they are sooo sorry dogs never dont it bla bla bla. they will make sure it will be locked up bla bla.

So the next week his dad goes with him. He delivers the paper to thats house and guess what dog attacks him again lucky not too bad. he goes and speaks to them again different person not intrested at all. so he got the ranger involed.

lol point of my story why does there have to be oh what where the people doing to derserve it crap. sometime dogs are nasty peices of crap and should not be on this earth.

poor family and i wish a speedy recovery

[mikebailey]

point of my story why does there have to be oh what where the people doing to derserve it crap. sometime dogs are nasty peices of crap and should not be on this earth.

It's not about laying blame. I'm interested in understanding what causes dogs to attack.

If we don't hear what led to the attack we can't increase our understanding of why they happen. This feeds people's fear of dogs as they appear completely unpredictable.

Had these dogs been receiving protection training? Is it easy to tell that back at the pound by preventing a bite sleeve?

Did the dogs have a history of aggression towards humans? Had the Council received in the past that were not acted on?

There are usually events preceding an attack that casts light on the dogs behaviour. In the absence of intelligent analysis we are left with the peanut gallery shouting 'kill all dogs who look like those ones' which doesn't make anyone safer.

[megan_]

poor family hope the kids arent scared of dogs now well i guess they have a reason to be And good on the father for looking after his family like that what a hero.

Now the Staffords are going to have a really bad name put against them all because of the stupid owners i swear some people just shouldnt have pets

Why did the dogs bite the people? Does anyone know what events preceded the attack?

The dogs came up from behind and attacked.they didn't see them coming.

[Greytmate]

point of my story why does there have to be oh what where the people doing to derserve it crap. sometime dogs are nasty peices of crap and should not be on this earth.

It's not about laying blame. I'm interested in understanding what causes dogs to attack.

If we don't hear what led to the attack we can't increase our understanding of why they happen. This feeds people's fear of dogs as they appear completely unpredictable.

Had these dogs been receiving protection training? Is it easy to tell that back at the pound by preventing a bite sleeve?

Did the dogs have a history of aggression towards humans? Had the Council received in the past that were not acted on?

There are usually events preceding an attack that casts light on the dogs behaviour. In the absence of intelligent analysis we are left with the peanut gallery shouting 'kill all dogs who look like those ones' which doesn't make anyone safer.

I don't expect council pounds to have bite sleeves or use them. Council staff are not trained to do what you say is 'easy'.

While analysis of the behaviour would be very helpful, there are no resources to do this at a council level, except run an investigation into the incident.

Nobody wants to kill all dogs that look like those ones, but plenty of us don't have any time for dogs that act like those ones. Regardless of how they came to act that way. Some dogs are dangerous and removing them from the community does make the community safer. The 'menacing' laws that are relatively new around the country, along with the new Vic law enabling destruction of loose dogs that have previously been declared dangerous, will help make the community safer and have nothing to do with breed.

[SpotTheDog]

There seems to be some cross-purpose posting on this thread, with folks taking other folks up wrong.

I think we all agree:

• The dogs need to be destroyed and the owner needs to be prosecuted.
  
• It would be useful to know, simply on the basis of the anatomy of the dog attack, what prompted the attack, but nobody is laying blame at the feet of the young family.
  
• Many posters would feel far more comfortable with positive breed identification in this case, because all too often the media label any dog involved in such an attack as a pitbull, and subsequently the negative press for ALL bull breed types continues.
  
• That negative press perpetuates the problem of scumbags wanting a 'hard' dog, so they get their hands on a bull breed, backyard train it up to aggression, but then have no control if the dog slips out through a gate accidentally left ajar (even if they don't allow them to roam indiscriminately).
  

Just wanted to clarify that, because while indeed it doesn't matter what the breed was in the context of the dogs needing to be destroyed, it most certainly matters that the breed is accurately identified in media reports now and in all future cases, to stop villification of individual breeds, which leads to futile breed specific legislation and so on.

@ Tsarsmum:

Just a point on your story about your nephew and the paperround and the staffy - by definition, as a paperboy your nephew was entering the dog's territory and that prompted the attack. Absolutely the dog is obviously a poorly controlled and badly socialised animal, but it's not uncommon for paper boys, posties, utility meter readers, so on, to get attacked by dogs when they have to enter the property (or be immediately outside the property and throwing something onto the property) - but to me your nephew's situation doesn't count as an 'unprompted' attack.

Walking down the street and having two escaped dogs attack you when you're not even outside the property where they're kept - that is a seriously unprompted attack.

I completely accept that your nephew wasn't doing anything like deliberately teasing the dog, but unfortunately many poorly-trained and poorly-socialised dogs consider the 'door to door delivery' types to be open season - so I'm not surprised that the same deal happened the following week when your nephew and his dad again appeared in the dog's territory. Still though - their appearance in the dog's territory to deliver a paper was what prompted the attack. It's not the same as unprompted and unprovoked aggression, as in the original story.

Hope your nephew is okay and him and his dad got some result through the rangers.

[RottnBullies]

Just wanted to clarify that, because while indeed it doesn't matter what the breed was in the context of the dogs needing to be destroyed, it most certainly matters that the breed is accurately identified in media reports now and in all future cases, to stop villification of individual breeds, which leads to futile breed specific legislation and so on.

Thank you STD, my thoughts exactly

Off course It does matter! To think otherwise Is just pure Ignorance

What hope Is there ever for overturning BSL If these statistics were always Incorrect?? It will only serve to make It worse than It already Is

I hope all Involved recover fully, and agree dogs need to be pts, and owners fined/prosecuted and banned from owning further dogs

Without these harsh punishments, there Is never a hope In hell that these sorts of attacks will dwindle

The dogs shouldn't be the only ones punished, In most cases It's the owners who have failed them

[twodoggies2001]

Just wanted to clarify that, because while indeed it doesn't matter what the breed was in the context of the dogs needing to be destroyed, it most certainly matters that the breed is accurately identified in media reports now and in all future cases, to stop villification of individual breeds, which leads to futile breed specific legislation and so on.

Thank you STD, my thoughts exactly

Off course It does matter! To think otherwise Is just pure Ignorance

What hope Is there ever for overturning BSL If these statistics were always Incorrect?? It will only serve to make It worse than It already Is

I hope all Involved recover fully, and agree dogs need to be pts, and owners fined/prosecuted and banned from owning further dogs

Without these harsh punishments, there Is never a hope In hell that these sorts of attacks will dwindle

The dogs shouldn't be the only ones punished, In most cases It's the owners who have failed them

I think the point trying to be made about that it doesn't matter what the attacking breed was, is even if it were a breed, as an example, a fox terrier, or a pomeranian or other breed other than the bully type, the dogs in question need to be dealt with. I don't believe that the finger is being pointed specifically at the bully type breeds. It just happens that the owner himself said that one of his dogs was a pit bull. Newspaper journalists are very often ignorant regarding dog breeds and really should get their facts right but that doesn't change fact that these two dogs unprovoked, attacked several people walking in the street, minding their own business and there is every possibility that most of them will be not only physically, but also mentally scarred for the rest of their lives. I agree, the owners, should be prosecuted and banned from owning any further dogs and the dogs be pts.

[wolfgirl]

This road is 5 mins away from my house, it is a main road and extremely busy and a daily occurrence is people walking their dogs off lead down this road, it's about time our council started patrolling more as when I drive anywhere in Hoppers I see at least 2 - 3 people walking their dogs off lead most days

There is a open reserve running off this road and many dogs have been seriously injured and quite a few doggy deaths because we have alot of idiots owners like this You even see them walk over to the shop and servo with their dogs off lead, it seriously shits me and this is why I never risk walking my dogs around this area. My girlfriend had her two shepherds attacked on the reserve 3 weeks ago and the guys grabbed their dogs and bolted before she could take a photo on her mobile phone

And whilst I love pitties there are many breeding these dogs in their backyards in our suburb and surrounding ones and of course these animals can't be registered with the council and unfortunately they are selling them to people who honestly have no dog savvy whatsover There are alot of red nose pitties in this area and it really does nothing to help BSL.

[mikebailey]

point of my story why does there have to be oh what where the people doing to derserve it crap. sometime dogs are nasty peices of crap and should not be on this earth.

It's not about laying blame. I'm interested in understanding what causes dogs to attack.

If we don't hear what led to the attack we can't increase our understanding of why they happen. This feeds people's fear of dogs as they appear completely unpredictable.

Had these dogs been receiving protection training? Is it easy to tell that back at the pound by preventing a bite sleeve?

Did the dogs have a history of aggression towards humans? Had the Council received in the past that were not acted on?

There are usually events preceding an attack that casts light on the dogs behaviour. In the absence of intelligent analysis we are left with the peanut gallery shouting 'kill all dogs who look like those ones' which doesn't make anyone safer.

I don't expect council pounds to have bite sleeves or use them. Council staff are not trained to do what you say is 'easy'.

While analysis of the behaviour would be very helpful, there are no resources to do this at a council level, except run an investigation into the incident.

Nobody wants to kill all dogs that look like those ones, but plenty of us don't have any time for dogs that act like those ones. Regardless of how they came to act that way. Some dogs are dangerous and removing them from the community does make the community safer. The 'menacing' laws that are relatively new around the country, along with the new Vic law enabling destruction of loose dogs that have previously been declared dangerous, will help make the community safer and have nothing to do with breed.

Councils spend massive amounts on dog bite prevention. A lot of it is squandered on strategies have never been demonstrated to work.

I was lucky enough to sit in on the last Restricted Breed Review Panel in Victoria and have seen how hard Manningham Council fought to kill those two dogs. The dogs had never been accused of anything except looking like "pit bull types". Victorian Councils sink massive resources (including big money) into fighting these battles. Those two Minter Ellison lawyers in the picture would not have come cheap.

Paying experts to investigate after serious attacks is something that could be funded at a State Gov. level. If we don't bother to learn what what the causes of these accidents are we're not going to get better at preventing them.

[Dogsrawesome]

sometime dogs are nasty peices of crap and should not be on this earth.

Yeah i feel bad for the people but i bet you 100% that its the owners fault no dog is ever nasty by itself its always the owner.

[Sandra777]

Yeah i feel bad for the people but i bet you 100% that its the owners fault no dog is ever nasty by itself its always the owner.

Not true IME. Very occasionally you get a dog which is born wrong in the head, and more frequently you get a dog with a brain condition which is nasty because of this, nothing to do with the owner.

But yes, 99.9% of the time it is the owner and/or the "breeder" who have caused the problem by mismanagement on so many levels.

Best wishes to the family attacked.