Shaar Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 (edited) I recently found out that a person who BYB's cross-bred dogs also breeds litters registered to the ANKC and they also show their dogs. They also do not register all of their purebred litters either and seem quite proud of the fact. Here is a quote from them on another website I frequent after I asked them about registering their dogs: Yes I know but I am not the only 1 to do it many do.But I do not breed for any market ever wether it be pure or cross breds & breed for me first & foremost. I do not advertise my poodle x's as I do not breed often enough to need to & have waiting lists when I do. The waiting list is always made up of family or friends who already have my dogs. I also know of several show breeders who have working dogs also. Why do you think that is their rules when we all know that their way is not the only way? I have problem with the black & white way of thinking they have yet have their own problems to address, this is why I don't reg all pure breeds anymore & keep alot of my own records these days. Luckily I am not a volume breeder of pure breeds not registering but there are plenty out their who are & only reg what they want to show. Sad but true alot of people are very sad about leaving showing & reg dogs behind but are unwilling to deal with the bodies that be. Not an attack on the club just how some people feel about it these days. How do I report them for this? Would love to see them removed as a registered breeder! Edit - Oh, and yes I do know their name and location, however I can't seem to find their kennel name. Edited February 22, 2011 by Shaar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staranais Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Can you do so? You can't report NZKC breeders for crossbreeding dogs, I don't think. Or can you report them for not registering all their litters? Just interested. As for your question, I've no idea sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogsrawesome Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 im not sure how to report it but thats wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaar Posted February 22, 2011 Author Share Posted February 22, 2011 From the ANKC code of ethics: 15. A member shall not permit any of that member’s pure bred dogs to be mated to a dog of a different breed, to a cross bred dog, to an unregistered dog of the same breed, or to a dog not on the Main Register without the prior approval of the member’s Member Body. 22. A member shall register all puppies bred (excluding those breeds listed in ANKC Regulation Part 6, Section 6.2 whose specific colours precludes them from being registered on any Register) by that member that are living at the date of registration. Such registration must include all puppies from the litter on the one litter registration application form and must be applied for within eighteen [18] months of the date of whelping. (6/08) So what? Is the code of ethics useless or can we actually report people for not following it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogsrawesome Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 would they have a number or email address you could contact and ask them if they can do anything about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conztruct Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 I'd contact the ANKC if you want to proceed with a complaint - they should be able to advise what the process is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jed Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Yes, please do report it, for the good of all decent registered breeders. You can't report to the ANKC, which actually consists of members from each state body. However, you can report it to the Tasmanian Kennel Club. Go to ANKC.com.au - and check for each state. The information on Tasmania will be there. I have presumed the person is in Tasmania/ If not, simply report to the state canine council for the state the person resides in Hope this makes sense - I don't have a good wireless signal, and can't get up the information for you. Thanks for wanting to do something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxx'sBuddy Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 if the pure bred dogs aren't registered then they are not doing anything "legally" wrong. ANKC registered breeders can breed cross bred dogs as long as they do not use ANKC registered dogs. i am not sure what they have done "legally" wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RallyValley Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 if the pure bred dogs aren't registered then they are not doing anything "legally" wrong.ANKC registered breeders can breed cross bred dogs as long as they do not use ANKC registered dogs. i am not sure what they have done "legally" wrong Not registering every pup in a litter is "legally" wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaar Posted February 22, 2011 Author Share Posted February 22, 2011 Thankyou everyone! I will send an e-mail off to the kennel club. They admitted that they only register certain litters if people ask them to so they are breeding registered dogs and not registering the pups. Thankyou again for the advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 No state CC can stop a breeder from doing anything they want with any dog which is not registered. No state CC can make any breeder who breeds crossbred dogs regsitered litters which are not from regsitered purebred dogs - in fact they will not allow them to. They are not doing anything against the law or the state codes of conduct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jed Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Meant to say ... the breeder said "I have problem with the black & white way of thinking they have yet have their own problems to address" If s/he is not prepared to abide by the code of ethics - which s/he signed off on when s/he joined, she should resign. Why be a member of an organisation, and then ignore the rules?? You are doing the right thing. Don't worry either, if nothing seems to happen. Sometimes the results are not immediate, sometimes they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlemum Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 if the pure bred dogs aren't registered then they are not doing anything "legally" wrong.ANKC registered breeders can breed cross bred dogs as long as they do not use ANKC registered dogs. i am not sure what they have done "legally" wrong I'm not sure about other States, but in Victoria they would be contravening the code of Dogs Victoria (and hopefully it's the same with other States Canine Control Councils. Sharr - I would check the regulations of the relevant State CC & report them. It makes me feel sick at heart that this person is, presumably, a registered Poodle breeder, as they are breeding Poodle Xs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oakway Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Why go to the ANKC they only meet once every few months. The ANKC delegates are made up from the state bodies. It would be more pertinent to go to your states controlling body. Unless they have used registered dogs there is little you can do. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaar Posted February 22, 2011 Author Share Posted February 22, 2011 No state CC can stop a breeder from doing anything they want with any dog which is not registered. No state CC can make any breeder who breeds crossbred dogs regsitered litters which are not from regsitered purebred dogs - in fact they will not allow them to.They are not doing anything against the law or the state codes of conduct. That's the thing though, they are using registered dogs, but only registering say every second litter to cut costs. You are safe poodlemum, the main breed in question is not Poodles and as it is a rare breed so I would rather not say here what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfthewords Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Shaar, I know who you are talking about in this post, and I have to say when I read the thread I was disappointed that someone who breeds TMs could also breed oodles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxx'sBuddy Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 (edited) if the pure bred dogs aren't registered then they are not doing anything "legally" wrong.ANKC registered breeders can breed cross bred dogs as long as they do not use ANKC registered dogs. i am not sure what they have done "legally" wrong Not registering every pup in a litter is "legally" wrong. thank you i didn't know that eta they say they are not registering every litter, is this wrong even if they register every pup in every litter they register? Edited February 22, 2011 by Jaxx'sBuddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSoSwift Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 I believe that every live pup should be registered. Report them and hoepfully they get kicked out of the CAnine control of the state they are in - disgusting behaviour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyla Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Basically they are puppy farming if they are only registering every second litter. You are only allowed one litter per year per bitch, or if there is 2 litters in 1 year, the bitch must not be bred from in the following year. Ie: the bitch must be rested at least every 2nd season. By registering only every second litter, they fly under the radar. Every pup in each litter must be registered. I fail to see why you would exclude any pups when registering the litter, as it is not an excessive cost in the scheme of things. I don't understand why you would bother to remain a registered breeder if you BYB as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jed Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 If you report Dodgy Kennels, even if what you have reported is not breaking any rules, your complaint goes into the file. Another person lodges a complaint, and over a period of time there is a record of various things which the member may have done. If any of it is in breach of the rules, something is done by the CC (banned etc) If none of the complaints lodged are breaking any rules, but are a bit dodgy - the file is kept, the member is watched, and "things" are done. I can't say what, but it makes life unpleasant, or impossible, and the member is either more careful, or resigns. Doesn't always happen, but it is worth always complaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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