whiskedaway Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 If a bitch has had a litter of puppies, and the breeder is still waiting on hip scores for her and won't get them for six weeks, would you go with the litter or not? I personally feel it should have been done earlier, but I just wanted to get some opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Danni Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Call me a cynic, but 6 weeks! I've never had H & E results take that long to come back, 2 weeks tops, even with the AVA. And just when did she have the xrays taken? It could not have been when she was pregnant surely???? Sounds like a story to me - as Snagglepuss would say - "exit, stage left". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiskedaway Posted November 10, 2011 Author Share Posted November 10, 2011 Yeah I didn't think they took that long, but I haven't had my girl's done yet so I wasn't sure. And good point about having them done when she was pregnant! There's a few other things that don't add up as well that made me scratch my head, but they're regarding health tests we don't do in my breed so I wasn't sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bjelkier Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 (edited) I've waited 5 weeks for one of my dogs but they got lost and 4 weeks for my bitches scores. The story however sounds a bit dodgy. Edited November 10, 2011 by Bjelkier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancinbcs Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Sounds dodgy to me too. Scores are usually back in about two weeks or less. They couldn't have done the x-rays when the bitch was pregnant and would have rocks in their head to do them after she whelped when all the joints are loose, so the x-rays would have been done months ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gayle. Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Some breeders have the hips and elbows x-rayed after the pups are born because registration of the pups requires hip scores to be provided. There are no requirements to NOT breed the bitch if the scores are too high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lappiemum Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 They could be waiting for the litter to be weaned and then do the hips after the milk has dried up. Given the positioning when doing hip xrays and the fact most vets will knock the dog out, i wouldn't like to have it done while the bitch was pregnant. It may be reasons too, as to why they haven't done it - was it an opps mateing? Or did the bitch come in unexpectedly? There are alls sorts of possibilities out there - I wouldn't want to jump to any conclusions until I knew more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nekhbet Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 funny the scores will rock up when, what, the pup is already your hands? Don't think so. Should not have even considered breeding the bitch without the scores already in their hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poo-Fong Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Don't do it!! I have been stung in exactly this situation - bought a large breed bitch puppy from an interstate breeder, had been advised of the father's hip score (which was a bit higher than the average (18) for the breed) and the breeder told me she was waiting for the mothers results to come back... I, somewhat stupidly, believed her when she told me the x-rays looked fabulous and that all would be well, expecting a really low score. After several MONTHS of nagging with no reply, I finally got her to answer the question and it turned out the mother's hips were scored at 40!! Of course, it was all the scorer's fault :rolleyes: I was completely devastated, but all I could do was wait to get my girl x-rayed & scored when she was old enough. She came back with an amazing hip score all things considered (total of 9, waaay below the breed average) but unfortunately her elbows were 3:3 I desexed her and she is now living the life of Riley as a spoilt pet, but it was extremely traumatic at the time. Yes it was my fault for going ahead, but you live and learn... It really isn't worth the risk & the heartache - I would never take someone at their word again... make the decision when you can see the scores in black & white. Of course it's no guarantee that something won't go wrong but it's the best we can do. Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiskedaway Posted November 10, 2011 Author Share Posted November 10, 2011 Thanks guys. Have passed on all your thoughts, cousin has decided not to go with this breeder and said she had a bad feeling about it so wanted some opinions. She got a reply from another breeder this morning and all of those health tests check out and will be going with them instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussielover Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 The xrays themselves would be potentially damaging to the foetuses, not to mention the GA/sedation risk to the pups, so surely she wouldn't have had them done during pregnancy. Maybe they had the Pennhip done? I know you have to send them away to the US to be read, not sure how long the results take to come back. I assume with digital xrays these days though, it wouldn't be too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss B Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Six weeks hey, sounds dodgy to me. In a breed where hip scoring is the norm, I wouldn't breed a bitch who hadn't had hers done. What happens if the scores come back and they're crap... there's no point shutting the stable door once the horse has bolted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poodle Mum Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 I had my boy scored with Pennhip a few months ago and that took 5-6 weeks......they do go to the US for reading then the results go back to referring vet & then they post them out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freundhund Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Penn Hip can be read here in Australia, Dr Grahame Allen is licensed to read and score here in Australia, I believe there are a number of other vets that are licensed now to read and score here in Australia. I just find that the cost of Penn Hip being so much more expensive to do X-raying, as well as after doing research on Penn Hip, I prefer to stay with X-raying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lablover Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Three of my 16 month old labradors were Penn hipped (and four xrayed for AVA)on Thursday 27th October 2011. Date received in US 27th October, 2011. Time differences apply I should imagine. Report date: 9th November 2011. I received results today. Regarding the original question: If the breed required other DNA tests, and if they had not been performed either I would run.......in a very fast manner. In fact, I would have started to run...already. Good luck. Try to check extended pedigree as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenchel Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Penn Hip can be read here in Australia, Dr Grahame Allen is licensed to read and score here in Australia, I believe there are a number of other vets that are licensed now to read and score here in Australia. That's not correct - PennHIP scoring can only be done in the US. There are many vets in Australia that have chosen to pay for the training and the licence to do PennHIP xrays, but nobody outside the US is authorised to score through the PennHIP scheme. Sylvia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freundhund Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 (edited) When I rang the AVA I was advised that there were several vets here now licensed to read Penn Hips. Obviously the answer I got from them last year was incorrect. I apologise for misleading everyone. Edited November 10, 2011 by freundhund Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenchel Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 When I rang the AVA I was advised that there were several vets here now licensed to read Penn Hips. Obviously the answer I got from them last year was incorrect. I apologise for misleading everyone. No probs - you were only passing on what you were told by someone who should know - it's a worry that they don't Cheers, Sylvia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poodle Mum Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 (edited) Are you sure it is read & score in Australia?? Its more likely to be able to offer PennHip rays. A vet needs specialised training & certification, as well as the eqiupment just to be able to take the rays for evaluation. The rays need to be sent to PennHIP Analysis Center for evaluation. Check out the website http://research.vet.upenn.edu/pennhip/GeneralInformation/WhatisPennHIP/tabid/3232/Default.aspx Edited November 10, 2011 by Poodle Mum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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