The Gardener At It Again On His Website

[Blakbelgian]

Hi ALL,

I cant attach PDF documents so hopefully some one smarter than me can post a copy of the articles (2 pages).

http://www.burkesbackyard.com.au/magazine.php?id=58

Click on Where to find a Puppy.

May issue pages 107 108.

THE GARDENER and his new dog Association (AAPDB) Are saying "IMPORTED Golden Retrievers have done awful damage to the gene pool" So are no longer the nicest breeds around.

"PUGS are a mess"

The AAPDB is Australian Association of Pet dog breeders inc and are chaired by "EXPERTS" who breed Oodles & other cross breds.

Claims the only place to buy a dog is from this association.

He has a Pet Forum on his site.

The VCA should be counter acting this media release!!!!!

BB

[Dame Aussie]

FFS! He's a cretin.

Edited May 10, 2012 by Aussie3

[fifi]

lordy I wish that evil gnome would fall under a bus full of oodle breeders.

[Loraine]

The man is a cretin and should stick to gardens and leave the dogs alone

[RiverStar-Aura]

Articles like these really provide no help to prospective dog/puppy buyers. Is it any wonder the general public get so confused about choosing an ethical pure-bred dog breeder or one of the many cross-breed/designer dogs out there.

[Blakbelgian]

I hope the VCA do something about this article.

BB

[Mystiqview]

From what I was able to read of the document. He did not do anything wrong per sae. He did not slam any particular breeder or kennel, and has picked on a minority of animals who have health issues for a variety of reasons.

I am not defending him, but an article such as that posted, needs to be put in correct context.

Bottom line, is no matter where a person gets their new pup, they should research as much as they can. Buying from a registered breeder is no guarantee either of healthy, quality animals.

For everyone's sake, there should just be a list of do's and don'ts and questions to ask yourself as a buyer and the person selling the animal. Unfortunately there is so much MIS information out there that it is easy to get confused.

For me, Dogs/cats/birds to not belong in pet stores. Period.

[oakway]

lordy I wish that evil gnome would fall under a bus full of oodle breeders.

:thumbsup:

[mita]

(He) has picked on a minority of animals who have health issues for a variety of reasons.

I am not defending him, but an article such as that posted, needs to be put in correct context.

... Buying from a registered breeder is no guarantee either of healthy, quality animals.

F

Let's put it in his own context then. You say he's picked on a minority of animals who have health issues. But according to the OP, he also says that people should buy from the other association which he names & all will be well.

If so, he's just compared a sub-group against a generalisation that all will be well buying from his recommendation. Notice anything that's not comparable about that? A sub-group compared with a general group?

I've just filled in the registration form for RSPCA Qld's Million Paws Walk. It asked where we got our dogs from. 'Breeder' could be ticked....or 'Other'.

I chose 'Other' and wrote "REGISTERED Breeder (with the State's Canine Control Council) who follows the ethical guidelines of that body and who socialises their dogs well and raises puppies in a homestyle manner".

Another coincidence, I first heard of the Q'ld Canine Control Council & how pet owners could adopt purebreds from members who keep their dogs humanely, in a very old RSPCA Q'ld magazine. I quoted it, on the form....& thanked them for that information which we've since always followed.

What did we finish up with? Desexed purebred dogs that are happy, healthy, well-socialised and with excellent temperaments.

Edited May 10, 2012 by mita

[Whippetsmum]

May the fleas of 1000 "Oodles" infest his arm pits (and beard.

[Jed]

The worst thing he has done, in my opinion, in telling the public they should have one of those designer nightmares, is condemn generations of poor little harmless dogs to lifetimes of utter and absolute misery in filthy puppy farms. And he did it because he had a fight with the ANKC.

He did offer we registered breeders another association to replace the ANKC, and because we refused, he has jumped into bed with the AABBCCdoodleys.

A bus full of oodles is far too good a fate for him.

What he has done has made no difference to me as a registered breeder. What it has affected is the public who bought an oodle believing what Burke said, found it was incorrect, and diced the poor little dog. And, as above, more and more poor little dogs suffering all their lives.

Edited May 10, 2012 by Jed

[nowstarin]

Upon searching his web site and then that of the AAPBDB I came across their "Marketing and promotions Committee head" person at www.dachshundaustralia.com.au which defaults to this charming web site www.dogbreeding.net.au and OMG the stuff on here is Mind blowing God help us all. here is a snippet of the type of dribble that is here.

GRRRRRR

******Copied***********

A critical factor in breeding sound animals is a wide gene pool. Accordingly, we NEVER inbreed or ‘line breed’ (ie breeding relatives to relatives). We are dedicated pet breeders, which means our breeding program is driven by dog health and happiness. Please note that as dedicated pet breeders, our puppies do not come with the pedigree papers required for the formal show circuit.

Our breeding dogs include overseas dogs and hence genetics. For example, our registered Australian Champion long haired mini Dachshund (rising 10 years old) and a smooth haired USA registered dog we imported (who carries a recessive gene for long hair) produced the outstanding pups below: two silver dappled smooths and one black long haired. Arguably these pups have the widest genetic mix in Australia resulting in high health, beautiful little dachshunds destined for loving pet homes.

And this *********COPIED**********

We hope to have at least one litter born every month in 2012 – nature willing!

We are shifting to an online puppy selection process … follow us on Twitter for the very latest updates. You can join in the top right hand corner of this homepage.

Please see ‘Puppies 4 Sale’ page for more information.

Edited May 10, 2012 by nowstarin

[Mystiqview]

Mita.

As I said, I am not defending the man. I read that article alone. And what I said was from that individual article.

I am a registered breeder and do ALL the relevant health testing and like any ETHICAL responsible breeder, strive to produce happy healthy puppies.

However, I am fully aware there ARE registered breeders of various breeds who are registered and in no shape or form can be called ethical.

What he has done in the past, and will continue to do in the future I cannot stop or really bother to stop

And get upset about it.

The best ALL registered breeders can do is rise above him and the widely pet shop acceptance by joe public. Our controlling bodies are really not doing much to get out to joe public and tell them WHY a registered pedigree dog from an ethical breeder is the way to go. Even when their members do the wrong thing they sit on their hands and do nothing.

[Dame Aussie]

Upon searching his web site and then that of the AAPBDB I came across their "Marketing and promotions Committee head" person at www.dachshundaustralia.com.au which defaults to this charming web site www.dogbreeding.net.au and OMG the stuff on here is Mind blowing God help us all. here is a snippet of the type of dribble that is here.

GRRRRRR

******Copied***********

A critical factor in breeding sound animals is a wide gene pool. Accordingly, we NEVER inbreed or ‘line breed’ (ie breeding relatives to relatives). We are dedicated pet breeders, which means our breeding program is driven by dog health and happiness. Please note that as dedicated pet breeders, our puppies do not come with the pedigree papers required for the formal show circuit.

Our breeding dogs include overseas dogs and hence genetics. For example, our registered Australian Champion long haired mini Dachshund (rising 10 years old) and a smooth haired USA registered dog we imported (who carries a recessive gene for long hair) produced the outstanding pups below: two silver dappled smooths and one black long haired. Arguably these pups have the widest genetic mix in Australia resulting in high health, beautiful little dachshunds destined for loving pet homes.

And this *********COPIED**********

We hope to have at least one litter born every month in 2012 – nature willing!

We are shifting to an online puppy selection process … follow us on Twitter for the very latest updates. You can join in the top right hand corner of this homepage.

Please see ‘Puppies 4 Sale’ page for more information.

WHAT WHAT WHAT?!? Oh dear.

[Steve]

Look beating him up or using energy on trying to put crap on the members of the AAPDB will take us no where .

We have been playing this game now for a long time and you can say as much as you like about filthy puppy farmers etc dogs doomed to suffer anti pet shop stuff but the fact is these are all operating legally and the whole thing ends up making US look worse than he does already.

If the ANKC are just going to carry on as usual and pretend it isnt happening he will do more damage this time as some of those breeders are breeding purebred not just cross breds and some of them arent breeding their puppies in factory conditions/ kennels etc

Last time it was about hybrid vigour and how cross breds were healthier - this time its about the show ring and he isnt the only one saying it.

Not much time left if they dont get onto it NOW.

Edited May 11, 2012 by Steve

[Sheridan]

I've said for years on DOL about how pedigree dog breeders should be doing promotion and have been mocked and slammed for saying so. Attempts to get anything underway have been mocked and slammed. It's not the ANKC, it's you. Denials of rudeness to Joe Public and his grubby children at dog shows. An attitude of 'Why should I/WE promote?' blah blah bladdy blah. This conversation happens every few months and still, it's the same complaints over and over.

[Steve]

Do you mean me personally? I dont remember ever denying rudeness to Jo public and his grubby children at dog shows etc

But I do think its not my job the reasons for this are not things I am able to discuss here as it is forbidden.

Im not sure I was thinking on the lines of promotion - because there is still the same problem - if they go mad spending resources on promoting the dogs then there still isn't any dogs available - Im also not sure the ANKC will see promoting the dogs as being part of what they should or can do or even if they will rise to the challenge of promoting their breeders but there needs to be some organised strategy to state their case.

I think you are right and it will come down to the breeders but I wouldn't hold my breath on that one - the majority still think they are un touchable and special.

[mita]

Mita.

I read that article alone. And what I said was from that individual article.

And what I pointed you to was what was in that individual article. The case it makes fails a reality check.

The article compared a sub-group of purebred dogs who've not been bred well (which exist)... with a generalization that all dogs from the rival organization will invariably be fine.

Do you know what a generalization is? It's a claim that all will be the same....without evidence. So a generalization is unrealistic.

Yes, it's unrealistic to say that all dogs from that rival organization will invariably be fine.

I ADDED a sub-group of pure-bred dogs that have benefitted from being bred well. That's what should be compared with a sub-group that haven't. Both actually exist.

As opposed to a generalization that all dogs from the rival organization will invariably be fine. As well as any generalization that all dogs from the ANKC registry will be fine. Yet that OP article made the first claim. While I've never seen anyone from the purebred world make the second claim.

I'm with Sheridan that purebred dogs should be promoted in a sound and realistic way. Frankly, I'm in awe of those registered breeders who follow their Kennel Association's ethical guidelines and who have accumulated extensive knowledge and experience.

I've met breeders like that and have their great dogs as a result.

[Steve]

Mita said I'm with Sheridan that purebred dogs should be promoted in a sound and realistic way

Maybe - Except this time it isnt purebred dogs which are being attacked - that org has both purebred and non purebred breeders.

It is the way they are being bred and selected for by those who are accused of placing too much emphasis on the way the dogs look - show breeders working to a breed standard. Just as the RSPCA and PDE and Mcgreevy etc are and the momentum has only just started to build.

[mita]

Mita said I'm with Sheridan that purebred dogs should be promoted in a sound and realistic way

Maybe - Except this time it isnt purebred dogs which are being attacked - that org has both purebred and non purebred breeders.

It is the way they are being bred and selected for by those who are accused of placing too much emphasis on the way the dogs look - show breeders working to a breed standard. Just as the RSPCA and PDE and Mcgreevy etc are and the momentum has only just started to build.

I meant ANKC-registered purebred dogs, when I agreed with Sheridan.

I put it in the context of having good experiences from dealing with ANKC-registered breeders who do well.

As to the comment that Kennel Association breeders put too much emphasis on 'looks'.

Here's the mission statement of the registered breeder who bred one of my pet dogs:

My goal is & I feel dedicated to, breed with healthy animals, only breed with animals that have good temperaments, and frame them as close to the breed standard as I can, to give lives to (breed label) puppies that have the best chances for a good long life and a loving home for the rest of their lives.

Notice how health and temperament come first? Also the emphasis on the dogs being loved as companions in homes.

This breeder comes from Sweden and her dog won Best of Breed at the 2012 Crufts in London.

A far-sighted and discriminating Australian ANKC-registered breeder had already imported a couple of her dogs.....which included my lovely natured girl.

Edited May 11, 2012 by mita