I Visited A Pound Today.

[juice]

i'm not. :D

[Guest donatella]

My breeder made me swear that if anything were to happen or if I ever had a change of heart my pup was to go back to her as a first priority.

I respect that.

That is quite feasable though as someone who's dog has 2 pups a litter though, I wonder if she'd be saying that if she had Rotti's :laugh:

[WreckitWhippet]

Actually all of the rescue's i have worked with have taken dogs back with zero warning, its what makes them a good rescue, if they don't have foster space the dog goes into a kennel till it does, and foots the bill. Why can't a breeder do the same for their own if they won't have them at home?

It is black and white, clear up your own mess :)

Actually breeders tend to work a bit more cooperatively. They certainly don't regard helping out dogs as "clearing up mess". Responsibly bred and homed dogs don't tend to be viewed that way.

Certaonly not, I consider it to be assisting an individual dog in need and the breed as a whole. I also believe a little in " what goes around comes around " and should I ever be in the position where I need a fellow breeder to help out a dog of mine, I think by now I would have built up enough credits for someone to step in.

Edited November 12, 2012 by Pav Lova

[mixeduppup]

i'm not. :D

well then...bygones shall be let to be

[Salukifan]

You can't win as a breeder with some folk.

Keep your dogs in kennels and dont have them as house dogs and you're a "puppy farmer".

Keep your dogs in your house and don't have a spare kennel with quarantine facilities for any of your dogs that might end up unwanted in a pound and you're "irresponsible".

And don't take that pound dog into a home with tiny baby puppies and you'e not "cleaning up your own mess".

You lose every way.

[WreckitWhippet]

You can't win as a breeder with some folk.

Keep your dogs in kennels and dont have them as house dogs and you're a "puppy farmer".

Keep your dogs in your house and don't have a spare kennel with quarantine facilities for any of your dogs that might end up unwanted in a pound and you're "irresponsible".

And don't take that pound dog into a home with tiny baby puppies and you'e not "cleaning up your own mess".

You lose every way.

Welcome to our world Haredown, maybe you'll consider becoming one ? :laugh:

[Salukifan]

You can't win as a breeder with some folk.

Keep your dogs in kennels and dont have them as house dogs and you're a "puppy farmer".

Keep your dogs in your house and don't have a spare kennel with quarantine facilities for any of your dogs that might end up unwanted in a pound and you're "irresponsible".

And don't take that pound dog into a home with tiny baby puppies and you'e not "cleaning up your own mess".

You lose every way.

Welcome to our world Haredown, maybe you'll consider becoming one ? :laugh:

Well then I'd be contributing to the "too many" dogs situation now wouldn't I?? Pity folk don't do a bit of research about who's REALLY breeding in numbers before trotting out that accusation on ANKC breeders.

[WreckitWhippet]

You can't win as a breeder with some folk.

Keep your dogs in kennels and dont have them as house dogs and you're a "puppy farmer".

Keep your dogs in your house and don't have a spare kennel with quarantine facilities for any of your dogs that might end up unwanted in a pound and you're "irresponsible".

And don't take that pound dog into a home with tiny baby puppies and you'e not "cleaning up your own mess".

You lose every way.

Welcome to our world Haredown, maybe you'll consider becoming one ? :laugh:

Well then I'd be contributing to the "too many" dogs situation now wouldn't I?? Pity folk don't do a bit of research about who's REALLY breeding in numbers before trotting out that accusation on ANKC breeders.

I'm breeding in the negative at the moment. No pups for over two years and my rescues are around 6 :laugh:

[disintegratus]

People make me mad at the best of times, I'd probably go nuts and start taking my frustrations out on every person I saw with a shotgun.

What's wrong with people with shotguns???

Badly worded, I wouldn't go after the people with shotguns, are you crazy?!?! They've got shotguns!!!

[mixeduppup]

People make me mad at the best of times, I'd probably go nuts and start taking my frustrations out on every person I saw with a shotgun.

What's wrong with people with shotguns???

Badly worded, I wouldn't go after the people with shotguns, are you crazy?!?! They've got shotguns!!!

Unless you had machine guns :laugh:

[Rozzie]

People make me mad at the best of times, I'd probably go nuts and start taking my frustrations out on every person I saw with a shotgun.

What's wrong with people with shotguns???

Badly worded, I wouldn't go after the people with shotguns, are you crazy?!?! They've got shotguns!!!

Yes.

And I have a shotgun.

[Sheridan]

We tell people that responsible breeders take back their dogs. That's what sets responsible breeders apart from the BYBsand the puppyfarmers but it seems unlikely from examples given in this thread.

Edited November 12, 2012 by Sheridan

[BlaznHotAussies]

I would take "Taking back the dog you bred" to mean, take it into your own home/good friend/family member home temporarily then work on finding said dog a new home...

Sometimes a breeder may have things going on (I dunno...overseas trip, family issues, etc.) - rendering them unable to take back a dog straight away. Or does that make them a bad breeder too?

Edited November 12, 2012 by Scootaloo

[dancinbcs]

Every breeder I am friends with has an agreement with puppy buyers to take the dog back if needed. If you choose the right homes then very few will be returned. From 12 litters I had 2 returned, one I bought back at full price from a dissolving marriage to stop them arguing over who's dog it was and the other came back to me for rehoming when the owner's life fell apart. I know a breeder who drove 8 hours away to retrieve a dog they bred from the pound and others who have paid airfares to have them returned from other states. Most will do whatever it takes to get their dogs back from a bad situation. It should be part of being a responsible breeder.

[Baileys mum]

As I stated in my other post, I tell all my puppy owners, that I will take the puppy back, if they can no longer keep it, & rehome it myself, & I have written this into my puppy contract of sale...I would hope that my owners would honour this if they could no longer keep the dog for whatever reason.

I don't breed very often, so don't have too many dogs I have bred out in the world. I also live on acreage, so have plenty of room & don't have a problem doing this....I would be devestated if I found out one of my babies ended up in a pound or was rehomed to a irresponsible person.

ETA: I screen my puppy homes very carefully, & so far all my owners have been great, most of them keep in contact, & all are very happy with their puppies...no one has returned a puppy yet. :)

Edited November 12, 2012 by Baileys mum

[mantis]

We tell people that responsible breeders take back their dogs. That's what sets responsible breeders apart from the BYBsand the puppyfarmers but it seems unlikely from examples given in this thread.

Exactly. When I was breeding my Cairns, I told all the buyers if they had problems to call me first, I also told them that if they didn't know how to hand strip their dogs coats in summer I would do it for them. I had sore bloody hands, because most of the new owners took me up on my word, until I taught them how to do it.

As a breeder, you have a responsibility for the dogs you breed, even after you sell them.

[Guest Willow]

With regards to pounds being horrid, i worked in a shelter which doubled as a pound for 3 shires....it wasn't a particularly sad place....the vast majority of the dogs were either claimed or rehomed, and those that were PTS....it was for pretty good reasons.

You can't allow yourself to be affected by it, or you couldn't do your job, same as Drs who work with sick children etc....you have to develop a way to not be sad.

Edited November 12, 2012 by Willow

[Wobbly]

I had a mixed experience with the pound staff where I adopted Jarrah - the desk staff were terrible, one girl informed me it was good I didn't live in the area the pound serviced because it meant the dog was no longer their problem. They chipped her as black, she's seal, but if they didn't know about seal, chipping her as liver or brown would have been a more accurate description. She's not the colour she's chipped as. :/

On the other hand the lady who brought me around the pound to meet the dogs was lovely, and clearly very concerned for the dogs' future welfare. She pretty much gave me the 3rd degree, and her reservations as to whether I could provide the right home for Jarrah were pretty clear. She seemed quite torn - she wanted a home for the dog very much, but I see in retrospect she wasn't convinced I was experienced enough to manage the crazy bundle of hyperactive, manic, unsocialised, nut case Jarrah was at the time. I'd say all in all she was very caring and concerned for the welfare of the dogs, and very astute. That pound has a massive amount of dogs go through it, and a horrific number of them are PTS, I wonder how long such a caring lady could withstand that emotional strain for? Depends on her coping skills I guess.

I guess you can get a mix of personalities at a pound, like anywhere else. There's people who really care and people who don't so much, people who are good with the emotional pressure the job entails and people that aren't so good at dealing with it.

OFC a breeder has a duty of care to any dog they've produced, if they can't take the dog into their home they need to burn the candle at both ends to find that dog a good home, and comfortable secure accommodations for the dog while they're arranging that home.

Edited November 12, 2012 by Wobbly

[espinay2]

to the OP. I am very glad you got your Nanna's dog back. Wonderful that the system worked and the little dog was able to be got home nice and safe. As for the staff not smiling. Remember they deal with people coming to collect dogs all the time. They don't know you and they don't really know the reason your Nanna's dog was on the loose. From their point of view it may have been your irresponsibility or it may just have been an accident. But they see a lot of irresponsibility and hear a lot of sob stories and it must be hard for them to bite their tounge at times. In the end this was still another dog for them to care for with limited resources and you can't expect them to be too happy about that, even though they may be relieved this is one less out of many for them to deal with. And to protect themselves they may need sometimes to put up those barriers too. IMO just be pleased the system worked and allowed your Nanna to get her much loved dog back safe and well.

Regarding breeding and 'taking back' dogs there are many ways to 'take back' a dog without it physically coming to your own premises. It could be organising it to go straight to a new home, or arranging for someone else to mind a dog temporarily, or sending it to kennels for a stay. For example, a breeder located in NSW, who assists an owner of a dog they bred located in WA by arranging the dog to go to a new home in SA. This is still the breeder taking responsibility and 'taking back' the dog. In this type of situation it would make no sense at all for the breeder to ship the dog back to NSW to their own home first. It is all about taking responsibility and this is essentially what 'taking back' means.

[BlackJaq]

Re Responsible Breeders taking back their dogs etc, I actually count contributions to the breed rescue as well. Not everybody can squeeze in more dogs at any given time, that is why there are breed rescues and I find that those breeds which have less dogs on the ground at any given time are more likely to have a good safety net in place. I find that bull breeds are incredibly hard to place, whereas gundogs usually have a breed rescue willing to step up for them. If the breeder can be found they will often have connections to breed rescues, temp/foster homes and so on and just because they cannot take the dog themselves does not mean they just leave it to its fate! Mixed breeds are usually not that well off unless they are visually appealing and members of the public are interested in adopting them. I have to say that I have found dogs that are not that attractive can have a hard time finding somewhere to go...

Edited November 13, 2012 by BlackJaq