Kirislin

But it doesn't make sense to me when you use colour to refer to genes instead of the visual appearance of the dog. There is a way to measure visual colour that is reliable and consistent - they use it to work out chemical compositions and motion of stars. But dogs - the way they look - has nothing to do with the colour they are named. Maybe what the dogs are called should be called genetic-colour and they should have a visual colour as well - so when a red dog shows up at the show/track - it's red. Not light milk coffee brown or black or spotty. What does it mean when I agree with both of you? :laugh:

Here's some reading about colour inheritance in greyhounds http://www.galtd.org.au/industry/colour-inheritance-greyhound

How about these for an unusual and beautiful colour. http://forum.greytalk.com/index.php/topic/304664-thread-about-interesting-greyhound-colours/?p=5641678

No idea, but the dog is considered a pedigree because it's allowed to race here. I just posted it for interest, because it's so unusual, I thought people might like to see it. found this "Dun is an extremely rare colour, appearing in approximately one in every 1500 to 2000 litters. It can range from a light blue fawn, through a rich red fawn, up to a deep rich chocolate colour, with the dominating factor being a pink to brown coloured nose leather. Many Dun coloured greyhounds in the past have been listed and recorded as being Dark Fawn, Red Fawn or Red. They should never be listed as a type of Fawn or Red as they are a colour apart. In addition, when fawn is crossed with another fawn or brindle, black or blue coloured pups cannot issue from such mating. However, when Dun is crossed with fawn or brindle, it is almost certain that black coloured pups will issue from the mating. Research indicates that all present day Dun coloured greyhounds will have a double cross of Rocket Jet. "

The outcome might have been different if it was a longer race. I wish we could find a property that would let us run the lure on to find out.

So, who would you expect to win if an Italian Greyhound and an Afghan had a race? Not Neko but her brother Arkey and his friend Mittens the Afghan. 5F6A4306dpptcr by kirislin, on Flickr 5F6A4307dpptcr by kirislin, on Flickr 5F6A4308dpptcr by kirislin, on Flickr 5F6A4309dpptcr by kirislin, on Flickr 5F6A4310dpptcr by kirislin, on Flickr 5F6A4311dpptcr by kirislin, on Flickr 5F6A4316dpptcr by kirislin, on Flickr 5F6A4317dpptcr by kirislin, on Flickr 5F6A4318dpptcr by kirislin, on Flickr

I wonder if it's a size thing, toy dogs I mean. I've got an Italian greyhound and have friends with them too now. so I get to see a few. Some seem like this even though they've never been mistreated. A breeder friend refers to it as "grabitis" meaning they cringe when being picked up. One friend of mine used to have trouble catching her IG to put a collar and lead on her. The dog would get really excited at the thought of going out, but would run around not allowing herself to be caught so she could get her collar and lead on. My friend remembered that her IG was actually very well trained to SIT on command so she got around it by telling the dog to sit, then she could catch her to put her collar and lead on. I wonder if you could get around it by doing that.

But there's no mention of e being present in whippets or any evidence to suggest it does. The author of the whippet page also makes some very basic mistakes in genetics so I'd not take any of it as gospel. The actual genes responsible for pigment intensity outside of ee haven't been proven (and may differ in certain breeds anyway) so it's really just speculation. Like I said, that page is pretty old now and I wouldn't be surprised if the maker (I dont know who that is) would love to get some comments and opinions. I always the impression she'd love some thoughts from others on the subject.

Thanks for showing this pic Maddy, because it saved me embarassing myself by saying I had never seen a dun in a showbred greyhound. eta and he threw several dun offspring. Being an OS dog, I'd guess maybe they have a bit more dun floating around than we do. Importing is probably not as common in racing dogs as it is in showbred so I imagine we'll eventually see dun showies down here from imported dogs, sooner or later. And this dog has another interesting thing that I only know in whippets is called "deer marked" it's that lovely pale underside it has. I have a friend with a deer marked whippet but she is a much paler fawn and you can hardly see the deer marking anymore. I wonder if that means whippets also carry urajiro? It should be possible, seeing as that gene seems to have been present for quite some time in greyhounds. In theory, there should also be the possibility of dun, although in whips it may have already been lost. Scroll down and you will see the "deer" markings here. This is an old page now, perhaps discoveries have been made since, but I always love looking in here. http://runswiftwhippets.net/Genetics/Genetics%20old.html

I'll have to look up urajiro now. It sounds like a Japanese word.

And this dog has another interesting thing that I only know in whippets is called "deer marked" it's that lovely pale underside it has. I have a friend with a deer marked whippet but she is a much paler fawn and you can hardly see the deer marking anymore.

Just Liver, it occurs on the B locus, dogs either have the liver or black marker with black being the dominate, unless the dog is actually liver or black you'll be able to tell which marker they have based on their nose colour BB - black Bb - black (liver carrier) bb - liver Dilute black comes up blue and dilute liver is lilac or a pale greyish brown. Dilute is also recessive so dilute livers are even more rare Is that like a weimaraner colour? Because I'm sure I saw a greyhound at the Sandown races years ago that was that colour. I've never forgotten it. It was beautiful.

I've written about mine a few times. It was 2 speyed bitches and it was very bad. A stern voice wouldn't do any good at all, they were oblivious to it. I have no doubt they would've killed each other if I hadn't managed to break them apart eventually. It took constant vigilance on my part and in a way I think it spoiled their lives to an extent, especially Kibah who couldn't be her true self and show exuberance or joy for fear of drawing attention from Penny. Here's a thread I wrote about their last one where I broke Pennys rib trying to break them up. And for anyone wanting to have a go at me about that please dont bother, I felt terrible at the time and Penny recovered completely from it and died of old age last year. http://www.dolforums.com.au/topic/196008-fight/

Your suggestion doesn't really make sense because what a colour is visually doesn't necessarily tell us what the dog is genetically. A black dog could be K, it could be aa, it could even be at with masking heavy enough to obscure any tan. Knowing exactly what colour a dog appears to be, is really of no value, especially where the same gene is given several different names (red, red fawn, fawn, for example) for shades. Those "shades" are neither here nor there if those dogs all carry the same colour genes and getting rid of the outdated distinctions (where no real distinction exists) is the first step to tidying the whole mess up. The purpose of naming by genetic colour is that it would make naming uniform and easier for people to understand. That's my opinion. On the topic of greyhounds, colour recording for race presentation is essentially obsolete. All dogs presented to race are identified by ear brand and/or microchip at their vet check. DNA recording has also made it more or less obsolete in confirming accurate breeding records. Racing bred greyhounds are almost never bred for colour so there is no pressing need to know who is what. This might be different for conformation breeders who focus on certain colours but again, DNA would be the best method of ensuring you had exactly the genes you wanted. Wouldn't it be amazing if they also tested for colour when they collect DNA from greyhounds. I know they dont need it but it would be an incredible learning resource for colour in general wouldn't it. Colour in IGs in really confusing right now if anyone's researching pedigrees. There are so many shades of fawn, so almost white and others appear almost black but the only description allowed on the pedigree is fawn.

Is that Stella & Ian's girl? Yep :D

I took her in the shade and sunlight in the hope of showing the colour as accurately as I could. I know Dun in horses is quite different, but Rebanne's right, they call this dun in greyhounds. It's pretty isn't it. Apparently the only colour a Dun bitch will throw is black! I'm assuming though that the Dun gene carries on, hidden until it pops up every now and then. This girls parents were black and fawn, though I dont know which was which. She might be the sister of Dun and Dunner.

I saw another one that I think must be a related colour genetically, it was pretty much the same colour as a weimaraner, it was a few years ago now. I'd love to know if there's more.

This is a dun greyhound. I've seen at least one once before but not up close. This one's a rescue belonging to some friends. Thought it might be of some interest to dog lovers. It's a pretty rare colour. Dun Greyhound by kirislin, on Flickr IMG_2790_1 by kirislin, on Flickr IMG_2788_1 by kirislin, on Flickr

I don't think you could usefully compare them as the injuries would be different enough that it would be apples and oranges. For example, very unlikely that a dog is going to rip itself up on a fence or break a leg in a hole on a properly audited and laid out lure course. Nor is a coyote likely to bite back at them. If you're interested tho' I'd recommend Dutch Salmon's book on open field coursing because he talks a lot about injury management. As to the properly laid out and driven course, that becomes a bit chicken and egg. Drivers and trial officials need practice to become good at it and you can't practice without dogs. However, I think you can practice on breeds that are more flexible and less prone to injury (e.g., Salukis, Afghans, CAT dogs). Yes, you're right. I should have worded it as 'I wonder what type of injuries were sustained with live coursing as compared to lure coursing' Actually I dont even think sustained is the right word. My mind's a fuzz right now, but I think you understand what I'm trying to say, I hope so anyway.

I suppose the thing with lure coursing is no matter how hard the course designer and lure driver try, it's artificial. I'm not complaining about that, live coursing is illegal, but I wonder how many injuries were sustained with live coursing as compared to lure coursing. Our sighthounds were not bred to lure course, but it's the best we can manage with our laws. I'm trying to learn as much as I can so I can identify a safe course and drive and if and when I prepare my dogs to course I still might pull them out on the day if I didn't like the look of the course. My pedigree whippets were from generations of show dogs and I raced them with great success. Both the breeders were thrilled when I told them as no one before had done this with their lines. There was no lure coursing here back then so round track racing was my only sporting option for them. I had no interest whatsoever in showing, and I still dont. I love sighthounds for their athleticism and speed, so I suppose in answer to your original question, yes, it's very important to me

I wouldn't assume the child would pass out from the pain. Plenty of people have horrific injuries and stay conscious. Look at what happens in war. I think passing out from pain happens in the movies.

agree, but I also think it doesn't really matter - if you are the owner of 3 powerful dogs, can't supervise them 24/7, and live in an area with other families you have to make sure that they are in a secure compound - that includes sound fencing that prevents any accidental contact between the dogs and people. I think the fencing looked pretty good. I think it was a terrible set of circumstances where she just happened to sit there waiting for her friends and her finger happened to get close enough, perhaps even under that fence and the dog was quick enough to grab her finger and pull. I can see how it would happen with an aggressive and alert dog. It's tragic.

well I must be gullible because I thought the girls story sounded plausible, especially where she said if she tried to pull away the dog bit more.

shouldn't be hard to find out which dog did it. they could have checked all the dogs stomach contents. The one with fingers and hand in its guts is the one that ate her alive.

Awwww Happy Birthday Penny.