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  1. A friend of mine has a 2yr old dog that can get a bit mouthy when overexcited and their dog has bitten a neighbour who was pruning bushes over the fence line (5'5" wooden fence). They witnessed it happen but not close enough to stop it in the instant. The dog was not aggressive or protective but rather trying to play )jumping and excited) and has managed to break skin and left two puncture wounds. They've offered to pay for any medical expenses and also offered for the neighbour to come around and meet the dog, so they can see her nature etc and that the dog was not trying to bite or harm etc. Where do they stand with this? They are so worried and stressed right now. Thanks.
  2. In this instance I think I would be inclined to return the dog... It would depend on the voracity of the story and how mitigating it would sounds though. People can get very attached in a short time frame, especially if there may be children involved as well... A similar thing happened in Tasmania about a year ago to a friend of my SIL's. This is her story as shared on a different board (Hoars is an acronym within the group): She was an absolute mess thanks to the experience and was so traumatised by it. Very difficult situation made worse by the previous lady owner playing the victim role and losing her shit on the pound's FB page, blaming everyone but herself for what had occurred. Absolute feral trash they were.
  3. Surely the banking details would reveal the truth? There would be a price difference between just a consultation (in the vet's version of events) and a consultation and euthanasia fee (in the owners version)...
  4. The only "friends" the police tend to have are those who've relied on them at some stage for safety reasons or those who appreciate the difficulties of the job they do. Otherwise, no one cares. On occasion, a "numpty with a gun" has a legitmate reason to visit a residence and personally, I don't consider being rushed by a dog big enough to cause serious harm is something they should quietly dance around if they they step foot on a property. Police officers have the right to defend themselves from attack. A serious injury from a dog is NOT part and parcel of what a police officer should expect to suffer when they enter a property. Ideally if they'd had a tazer or OC spray, they might have used non-lethal means.. and that's an if. There's a news story about how ineffective those were when police were called to rescue a couple from a dog attack in NSW last year. If you wish to allow your dogs free rein of your property, lock your gates and post a sign alerting to the presence of the dog/s.. That way there are no surprises. And if entry is required quickly and in an emergency, expect your dog to pay with its life if it offers resistance - emergency services won't be cooling their heels waiting for the ranger. This is stuff every dog owner needs to think through. As I said in my first post, some thought by each and every dog owner as to the consequences of how they keep their pets is the only good that can come of this. If you don't want "undesirables" like kids selling raffle tickets, little old ladies collecting for charity or police performing their lawful duties on your property, BAR ACCESS AND POST A WARNING. That way it won't be your dog that cops a bullet. Of course the irony of the fortress approach to home security is that statistically, the biggest threat to your safety will come from those you know, not "strangers". I do wonder what people recommend is the appropriate course of action for a person who finds a huge dog rushing them and behaving aggressively???? "Be like a tree"??? Doesn't give them the right to shoot the dog. And was the dog behaving aggressively? Or was the big blouse police lady ffffrightened of the big doggy? Yes, I agree with you, the public needs to keep their dogs safe from numpty policemen. Close and lock your gates, refuse access to all. But - according to all reports - the dog was no aggressive, nor was he behaving aggressively. As far as an aggressive dog is concerned - pepper spray? shouting? Pretending you are Wyatt Earp out on the range doesn't do it for me. I wouldn't come onto your property and give your beamer a couple of whacks with an axe because it was in my way, and it might roll onto my foot. Nor should you damage my property because you think it might hurt you People need to respect the property of others -- and that includes dogs - not just knock them off because they can. Don't think a locked gate, or being in the backyard will save your dog. There are many cases of police chasing suspects, shooting the family dog. Last one, as far as I know, was in Deception bay, Qld. Suspect jumped the fence to the backyard, policeman followed, cattle dog barked, policeman shot him. Didn't attack, just barked. Do you have any links or info on the Deception Bay incident? A family member is dog squad near there and I've not heard of that. Honestly it is a grey area for sure. Not only do they pursue suspects through yards but dog squad will also throw the dog over the fence too when in pursuit and yes, even in that circumstance they do have the right to shoot a dog on the property if it becomes a danger to them or the police dog. It turns your stomach to think of it happening to you but at the same time it is not something that is done just because they can and what they have to deal with everyday is appalling. My family member has been bitten in the course of a dog fight that happened when someone's GSD was unsecured in the front yard and attacked the police dog as they were tracking past the property. He didn't shoot the dog. Honestly I fence sit on these kinds of things, on the one hand I know how difficult and challenging being a police officer is and on the other hand I cannot help but think if the dog was shot in the back of the neck and not menacing or an immediate and sure danger then it was definitely a poor judgement call on the part of the officer. That being said, as sad as this situation is, the police are only human and have to make split second decisions for their own safety, it is not an easy job.
  5. Just a point here westiemum - the demand for well bred, typical pedigree Staffordshire Bull Terriers is no where near satisfied. BYBer's abound in the breed, breeding crappy dogs of all colours to say nothing of the crossbred "staffys" and these ARE hugely over-represented in pounds. There would be a tiny number of well bred typical Staffords which are in a pound through anything other than being genuinely lost. So true Sandra - there was a local stafford show here in Canberra a little while ago and they had a visiting judge - she was quite surprised at the dogs and bitches being shown and their 'lack' of true form - although she did also say how lovely some of them were on the day.. Her comments were along the lines of long in the body, no good rear form (I think she meant that their rumps were lean compared to the front end).. Heads were small or large - not in proportion to body size. It was an interesting read - I will try to find it and put a link up.. Good SBT breeders are out there but there are so many BYBers and others who don't care about the true form and temperament breeding and selling just anything.. Edited to add the link for the show in Canberra - it is a link to a facebook page for the club.. My link Good SBT breeders are out there but they are hard to find amongst the BYB *and* many registered breeders who are breeding for the pet market and not to improve the breed. It is not just BYB that are ruining the breed, I've seen MANY pedigreed SBT that don't come up to par for the breed standard. Same for the American Staffs. All you have to do is see some of the registered breeders on Gumtree (and FB Pet sites) and shake your head. Even amongst the registered breeders, these breeds are over represented in numbers. ETA- Sorry Staffyluv. I just reread your post and realised that you were pointing out the same thing that I did. Whoops!
  6. Honestly it became very apparent to me today that dog barking sounds can be very deceptive when trying to work out where they are coming from. I was home all day today and heard a large sounding dog barking constantly. From inside my house it sounded like it was coming from directly across the road who have a large young Rottie. He rarely barks and it was unusual so I went outside with the intention of making sure it was him so I could let the neighbours know (we are friendly) because it was out of character. Standing out the front of my house however, it sounded like it was actually coming from the house nextdoor to them, I walked towards it and it seemed it was even further along than that and then I was thinking perhaps it was a house from the street behind ours.... To cut it short, even though this dog was barking non stop, a deep strong bark, I would not have been able to say with any accuracy which yard he was in. It was bizarre but it was like the bark was echoing. Anyhow, recording to make sure it is your two sounds like the best starting point and then addressing it further from there when you have more information. I definitely like the idea of dropping a note in the neighbours boxes letting them know you are taking it seriously and also asking your immediate neighbours if they have noticed your dogs barking excessively. The more info you can compile the better.
  7. Depending on context of course. For example: yes. Why? So we can excuse the dog and blame the parents for not supervising the toddler? I am almost 70. I have a 2yo grandson. This story is horrific. I have also owned a dog (a dalmation) that attacked. My dog was on lead and the boy attacked was on a skateboard. My dog was given its wings the next day. The boy's photo featured in the local paper that week under the heading Another Dog Attack. I have also lived next door to a couple of large dogs that were especially trained as guard dogs to protect the houseowners' marijhuana crop. My 8yo son went over the fence to retrieve a ball and he was attacked. Not seriously thankfully. I love dogs. Our society must be a safe one for children to grow up. I'm glad your child wasn't hurt seriously, however.... In this situation, I would blame the child for poor judgement and yourself for poor parenting. You shouldn't let your child trespass, especially if you KNOW your neighbours are drug users and have dangerous dogs.....the dog was just doing what dogs do in that situation. It is the job of parents to make sure their children don't come into harms way. Yes I do and did accept responsibility for my parenting. My heart was still thumping hours later. However 8yo's don't always do as they are told, and 8yo's are not supervised 24/7 They often walk to school alone and kick their footballs in the street. The neighbours should not have had aggressive dogs. My dog is not aggressive but there is every chance she could bite an intruder entering our yard without permission. I don't know the dogs in question but even a dog who is not "aggressive" can be yard protective and bite as a result... Your son should NOT have entered someone else's property.
  8. yes. Why? So we can excuse the dog and blame the parents for not supervising the toddler? I am almost 70. I have a 2yo grandson. This story is horrific. It's not a case of 'excusing' the dog. It's a case of investigating contributory causes ... like if & how that dog was trained. There's also usually some warning signs (but not 100%) in the history of dogs that seriously attack. Pet owners need to have some basic knowledge about dog behaviour to recognize what could be a ticking bomb. Add that to the fact that this poor, dear little toddler was in the age group most vulnerable for dog attacks & bites. Police have a checklist to work thro' when investigating fatal car accidents. Investigators need to have a similar checklist for fatal or serious dog attacks .... with items based on what's known to be possible contributory factors. Information from that needs to be fed back into Dog Safety programs. Just as feedback from the car accidents is translated into Road Safety preventative measures. But... as you say, the story is horrific. The mother & grandmother must be so traumatized. Agree with this 150% ^^
  9. Poor child and his family I cannot imagine what they must all be going through , absolutely heartbreaking.
  10. I had read elsewhere that it was a Staffordshire Bull Terrier cross.... either way I hope the little boy and his Dad recover quickly. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-01/dog-attack/4859782
  11. I couldn't watch it all, how horrible for that poor little pony. What a hateful, nasty excuse for a human being they ALL were. The lady doing it and the people who stood by whilst she did. Pathetic
  12. OMGosh I am in love with all of them <3, you have done such a wonderful and amazing job with them. Narla has the most beautiful, kind eyes- hard to believe that anyone could treat her and her puppies so atrociously. So for my order please ship to my address: Narla, Brock, Koda and Ned, thankyou. :laugh: I wish LOL!
  13. Saw this on youtube and thought it was adorable. Not sure you have to worry about the bird when it's beak is larger than the dogs mouth though!
  14. I have also seen a few cases of siblings gone WRONG. There seems to be a higher instance of competition in the dynamic and whilst some can co exist fine, it can just as easily not work out well. I personally would NEVER adopt (or buy) siblings in any breed, but definitely not in American Staffordshire Terriers who are generally a strong willed, confident breed that ** can ** have a tendency to dominance and DA. Huge fan of the breed but owners, or potential owners, need to be realistic about the challenges in the same way that Husky owners need to be realistic about recall. I think matching personalities of any breed of dogs in a pack is very important and picking accurate temperaments in puppies is difficult and very easy to end up with two dominant, confident temperaments who are bound to clash. As an example, I have a mixed breed female dog who can be a little dominant sometimes. It is not often, majority of the time she will submit but she won't back down to an overly dominant female dog which leads to the other female starting a fight. It is a trait that is there but that I would not have known when she was a puppy, so when/if I choose to add another dog/puppy into the mix, I will be looking for a submissive male. It is easier to know her temperament as an adult dog than as a pup and it is easier to pick a good fit for her, a submissive pup/adult male, and introduce him in and maintain his submissive role if she is already established as the higher dog. That is very difficult to do with siblings and add in a competitive breed/nature and it is a recipe for disaster. On the other comments re: Bull breeds etc, I swear I must be in the minority, I have not ever had an incident with a bull breed and I live in a low socioeconomic area where you would assume Bull breeds would abound. My girl has been rushed 4 times in her life, 2 fights, minimal injuries. Large ridgeback X, 2 boxers, a kelpie with a SWF and a GSD.
  15. I have 19 birds and one dog. Tame and inside there are 4 flighted cockatiels, 2 flighted budgies and a flighted Short billed Corella, the rest of the number are outside in aviaries. I have to segregate all the bird breeds from one another as the budgies will go after the cockatiels (possibly the Corella too but I have never had them out at once) and the SB Corella thinks she is human and freaks out screaming at the other birds if they are out whilst she is. The dog avoids the SB Corella like the plague, the Corella has never bitten the dog but it is the SB Corella that I wouldn't trust to be gentle in that scenario. I half suspect that the dog dislikes her so much because she is loud as I have noticed that if I put the SB Corella in her outside cage whilst the dog is outside, the dog will go and hide/sleep around the side of the house to get away from her. The other birds can be out when the dog is in the room however the dog has been trained to stay in a certain spot when they are out and I never leave them unsupervised. She sleeps through it and ignores them completely for the most part. If they come over to bug her (rare) she tends to go to the door requesting to go outside to avoid them. The birds don't get free range though. They are let out of their cages up to 4 times per day for 30min-1hour each time for exercise and cuddles.
  16. Totally random but that is one tiny cockatiel!
  17. Honestly I am not a fan of the extremely heavy set Amstaff lines. I much rather the more athletic build, the more streamlined the better, than the bulky one. That said, my girl has a studded leather collar.... It is a stunning pink suede leather with love hearts :laugh: (no spikes). I couldn't imagine using a collar like that, you certainly wouldn't want to have to grab hold of the collar in a rush for any reason.
  18. Inez- You need to take a step away and regain some perspective. You are just trolling now, making bugger all sense and bringing absolutely nothing constructive to the discussion. You want to live your life being scared of every "bull breed mix" you come across, be my guest, but your obvious hysteria surrounding these dogs is much more likely to make you the victim of an attack then keeping calm and simply dealing with whatever situation you MAY (possibly never) find yourself in.
  19. So you yourself admit that there is "goodness knows what" breeds mixed in there and yet you will state that they are Pitties? Seems pretty bizarre logic. Why are people so caught up in labeling breeds? As if suddenly knowing what breed the dog MIGHT be will shed light on everything? I have a mixed breed dog, adopted as a puppy from the RSPCA as a Staffy cross. She is now above knee height, has a high waist tuck and is gawd knows what breed mixes. There are so many possible breed mixes that MAY make up her looks. She could be a small "bull arab" mix, an Amstaff X Whippet, a dalmation x staffy... the list goes on and the likelyhood that there are MANY breeds in her genetics stop me from even bothering to guess. Yet everyone is so caught up in labels that they cannot take "Mixed breed" for an answer. We are out walking and someone will comment on how lovely she is and asks, "What breed is she?", I reply with "She is a mixed breed dog"...."Yes, but what breeds?" "Mixed of unknown origins" "Yeah but what kinds...". It is bizarre and can go around and around in circles, most people simply cannot take "Mixed breed" for an answer even though it is the most accurate I can give. Many people believe that their BYB dogs are purebred. The amount of times I have seen someone claiming that their dog or puppies are purebred when you can clearly tell that they are NOT is astronomical. Seen it in Rotties, Neo Mastiffs, Mastiffs, Dobermans, Staffords, Amstaffs, Cavs, Poodles, Chihuahuas... the list is endless. How are we to know that the owners of these three dogs didn't truly believe that they were Staffies, or that their breed was predominantly staffy? They do appear to be Stafford CROSSES and given the huge numbers of "purebred" staffies being BYB, quite often crossed with Amstaffs, the breed confusion is understandable. I have seen people actually advertising pups as PUREBRED Staffies and going on to state that they are bred from "purebred (unpapered I would assume)" SBT mother and a purebred Amstaff father and so therefore they are still "Purebred" Staffies . It defies logic and yet people, who do not educate themselves further, believe it. Yes these dogs looked too tall to be SBT but at the same time they looked to short to be Amstaffs. This thread has been very educational and I enjoyed reading the advice on how to intervene in a dog fight and/or protect yourself and your dogs. Very enlightening.
  20. Absolutely and totally true, the owners of these dogs are to blame however, the other side of the coin is if these roaming dogs were not aggressive dogs, the people encountering them may have escaped with a good licking instead which creates the breed factor and let's guess the breed.....Bull breeds again, what can you say in their defence when it's the same type of dog over and over again?? I don't advocate to ban the breed, what needs to be done is investigate who bred this crap and who's got them........the old breeding free for all strikes again......law needs to stop these BYB's and random breedings in the hands of people that haven't a clue how to breed a stable dog fit for community habitation. Here you go, some attacks by non bull breeds. Happy now? Ridgeback: http://www.cairns.com.au/article/2013/06/05/243376_local-news.html Cattle Dogs: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-04-03/dog-attack-victim-27let-down27-by-justice-system/4606616 Great Dane x: http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/wa/16434983/call-for-action-on-dog-attacks/ In my googling, I have discovered that attacks by other breeds are seldomly reported more than once and usually stay in the local news. Bull breed attacks get nation wide attention and often multiple articles are written on the same incident. The BH incident involving cattle dogs has been reported on repeatedly though, mostly because of the piss weak sentence the owner received. So is it safe, if they get discussed? Or is that breed bashing too? Or is it only breed bashing if the subject is a bull breed? LOL, you cannot even get the breed right to bash!
  21. Absolutely and totally true, the owners of these dogs are to blame however, the other side of the coin is if these roaming dogs were not aggressive dogs, the people encountering them may have escaped with a good licking instead which creates the breed factor and let's guess the breed.....Bull breeds again, what can you say in their defence when it's the same type of dog over and over again?? I don't advocate to ban the breed, what needs to be done is investigate who bred this crap and who's got them........the old breeding free for all strikes again......law needs to stop these BYB's and random breedings in the hands of people that haven't a clue how to breed a stable dog fit for community habitation. Here you go, some attacks by non bull breeds. Happy now? Ridgeback: http://www.cairns.com.au/article/2013/06/05/243376_local-news.html Cattle Dogs: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-04-03/dog-attack-victim-27let-down27-by-justice-system/4606616 Great Dane x: http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/wa/16434983/call-for-action-on-dog-attacks/ Rottweiler: http://www.caboolturenews.com.au/news/dog-mauls-five-year-old/1806453/ In my googling, I have discovered that attacks by other breeds are seldomly reported more than once and usually stay in the local news. Bull breed attacks get nation wide attention and often multiple articles are written on the same incident. The BH incident involving cattle dogs has been reported on repeatedly though, mostly because of the piss weak sentence the owner received. Don't forget Buster the Golden Retriever who attacked and injured 4 people and did NOT get PTS as any bull breed would have. A decision that I agreed with and applauded in some ways and despaired over the unfairness of the double standard treatment in another. http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/four-injured-in-sydney-dog-attack-20110325-1ca3w.html
  22. Yep! The article linked didn't mention breed at all but if you take the Topic heading at face value it would be Stafforshire Bull Terriers that Inez should have googled. Different breed to the Amstaff. Back to Google, quick!!
  23. I agree with this post, I posted earlier in the thread pointing out the exact same thing. If we actually figured out the number of dogs owned in Australia, the number of those who then attack etc, the percentage of attacks would be miniscule. Horrible stories like the attack on the jogger are a rare occurrence not a common one. Better to gain insight into the "Why and how" of what happened with the attack and leading up to the attack than to have a knee jerk reaction and blaming entire breeds for the shortcomings of 3 specific dogs. In much the same way that we cannot generalise all Muslims (some of the most peaceful and loving people I have ever met) for the actions of the extremists within their religion, we cannot generalise bull breeds or large breed dogs for the failings of few within their ranks.
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