yarracully

Our vet will vaccinate pups that are not chipped. I know this because I get pups vaccinated when required eg 6 weeks etc. but do not chip the pups until the are sold. As for size I wouldn't buy that one. The needle for chipping isn't that much bigger than a vacc needle. Probably won't have a problem with the vet unless they have a system that uses the chip number to identify the dogs records (Doubt it though). However I am of the same feeling as SBT123 on this. It is a legal requirement that any pup changing ownership (in NSW) must be chipped and it seems to me that the person that sold the pup just didn't want to do it as it would have cost them money. For that reason I wouldn't be surprised if it hasn't been vaccinated for the same reason (cost the breeder money). Again this is why I am against BYB as many of them are only concerned with what it costs compared to what they get back.

While I would agree with what you are saying SSM there becomes a problem for show secretaries/committees in how do they find out if judge X "does their own thing"? if you ask exhibitors that have been under the particular judge you can't always be sure of an honest answer. If you go to a forum such as this and ask a question people then start off about judge bashing because of the opinions that return. If you get a judge for a show and then find out they are not the type required until after then its too late and your event may end up with a lessor reputation because of it. Think about the judge at Royal Adelaide last year, even though what happened was out of the hands of the organisers- their shows reputation copped a bit of a hammering because of it. I do agree with what you have said above but I can see a problem in finding out before you contract the judge, and afterwrds may be too late.

Local councils still have to report to the Minister for Local Government and therefore are accountable. There really is no one for the RSPCA to be accountable to as they are not a form of government. They are a registered charitable organisation. Most of the different state acts acknowledge this point (following definitions taken from NSW POCTAA) charitable organisation means: (a) the Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals, New South Wales, and (b) any other organisation or association which has as one of its objects the promotion of the welfare of, or the prevention of cruelty to, animals, or any class of animals, and which is a non-profit organisation having as one of its objects a charitable, benevolent, philanthropic or patriotic purpose. and further down in the acts definitions officer means: (a) a member of the police force or an inspector within the meaning of the Animal Research Act 1985, (b) an officer of an approved charitable organisation who is a special constable within the meaning of the Police Offences Act 1901, or © a public servant who is appointed by the Minister, or by an officer of the Department of Primary Industries authorised by the Minister, as an officer for the purposes of this Act.

That's a pretty inflammatory statement. What is your evidence for this? BTW, the police/courts issue the warrants for the RSPCA, they don't write them themselves! Your statement above may be true. but Hastings statement is true to a certain point. Its true that Police etc issue the warrants for the RSPCA but then again the police/courts are not party to making the laws only enforcing, and must use a third party to prosecute under the laws thus providing for accountability. Whereas the RSPCA are a party to making the laws as well as enforcing and prosecuting with no form of accountability. If a warrant is issued under this Vic law it can be served by either an officer of the law or an RSPCA inspector. To my knowledge this organisation is the only one that does not need a law enforcement officer in attendence to serve and execute a warrant. So it could be said that the RSPCA does have more power than the police. Interesting ..... I think in NSW a police officer must be in attendence to serve and execute the warrant. I am sure the police union and high ranking police officers have just as much, if not more, of a politicians ear than the RSPCA do. I can think of many recent laws that were changed or introduced at the request of police. I think not: (Taken from the NSW POCTAA) 24F Search warrant (1) In this section: authorised officer has the same meaning as it has in the Law Enforcement (Powers and Responsibilities) Act 2002. (2) An inspector may apply to an authorised officer for a search warrant if the inspector has reasonable grounds for believing that there is, in or on any land: (a) an animal in respect of which an offence against this Act or the regulations is being or has been committed or is about to be committed, or (b) evidence of an offence against this Act or the regulations that has been committed. (3) An authorised officer to whom an application is made under subsection (2) may, if satisfied that there are reasonable grounds for doing so, issue a search warrant authorising an inspector named in the warrant, together with any person so named: (a) to enter and search the land, and (b) to exercise any functions of an inspector under this Division in or on the land. So yes a police officer or court must issue the warrant but under section 3, only the inspector (RSPCA REP) and any others so named on the warrant need be present. There is no requirement for a police officer to be present or named when the warrant is served in NSW either. Also interesting to note they can serve a warant on the grounds of a belief that a breach of the act is going to happen (at some point in the future)

In my breeds the older the faster (especially dallies) so the older dogs behind would have trouble moving if they were following the younger (slower) dogs. OK, oldest to youngest then . Anything but alphabetical No!!!! I always get my entries there just before closing. Very Good Point. I now vote for reverse order of receiving entries. Hey, at least you are important enough to have yours accepted after the closing data :D Sadly, I know you are probably serious. I am going to change my surname to Aaaaaaaa. Beat that! Actually, just plain "A" would probably be first in the lineup. Then they'll do them in reverse order and you'll be at the back

From my vivid imagination........and knowing how full of knowledge some joe public are.... * oh look...Samoyeds now come in SHORT COAT !! * Yes...they are the albino shepherds ! * Yep, shepherds turn white when they live in the alps ! And no matter HOW BIG your breed banner is........you will still have people insisting it's their version !!! fifi Or claiming they used to own/breed them so know more about them than you

Has always wondered if there was a particular method as we often have multiple dogs in same age class and when I get the catalogue I try to work out why one dog is first over another. (Makes it easier to work out which dog is which number) I will agree there seems to be many different ways for them to be sorted but any way you do it, someone will find a fault in it.

At this point your Lilly would only be in Baby Puppy and so can't win points but when she turns 6 months then she can win points. What we usually do is keep one in age class (in your case Minor) and put the other into another age class (we use either Aus bred or Open.) Then swap them around occassionaly. That way you get two shots at a class in group whereas if you put them both in the same class one knocks the other out and then you only get one chance at a class in group. It wont affect your challenge points as its the best dog and best bitch in breed that get these regardless of age class (except baby puppy which can not compete for challenge and best of breed) Class in group doesn't get points (only best in breed and best in group) but it does give your dog and you more experience and possibilty to win a prize or ribbon to show for your efforts.

If this me in this position I would make a complaint to the committee every time he done it!! And if it kept on happening then I would make a complaint to the state board. That is just sheer rudeness, and they thought that he could be training for his judges licence is just not a good one. JSK if it did happen to you............. Did you ever stop think that the steward may be an all breeds judge???? Many all breeds judges still steward in Qld. Some say things just for a bit of fun, don't take it to seriously. Firstly I know that many all breeds judges steward in QLd I am far from a new exhibitor! But I took it as yarracully was upset by what the steward was saying by the way she phrased it: My mistake. But yes if a stewarding was doing something on a regular basis that upset me I would make a complaint, and I have done so before and yes the steward was an all breeds judge. The steward/ judge did come and apologise and told me he didnt realise that I was upset by it, and yes I have been under this judge since (I did have hesitations) and he never held a grudge. In all fairness JSK I can understand how you might have gotten that impression from the word I used. I call him that too his face anyway. It doesn't upset me greatly, as such, just winds me up. Myself and others have spent years of trying to get away from our breed being refered to as Mini Foxies, as they aren't and I think this fact alone is why he winds me up about it. He just knows he will always get a bite from it. By the way JSK, Yarracully is not a "she". No offence taken by the way

That's a pretty inflammatory statement. What is your evidence for this? BTW, the police/courts issue the warrants for the RSPCA, they don't write them themselves! Your statement above may be true. but Hastings statement is true to a certain point. Its true that Police etc issue the warrants for the RSPCA but then again the police/courts are not party to making the laws only enforcing, and must use a third party to prosecute under the laws thus providing for accountability. Whereas the RSPCA are a party to making the laws as well as enforcing and prosecuting with no form of accountability. If a warrant is issued under this Vic law it can be served by either an officer of the law or an RSPCA inspector. To my knowledge this organisation is the only one that does not need a law enforcement officer in attendence to serve and execute a warrant. So it could be said that the RSPCA does have more power than the police.

If this me in this position I would make a complaint to the committee every time he done it!! And if it kept on happening then I would make a complaint to the state board. That is just sheer rudeness, and they thought that he could be training for his judges licence is just not a good one. Nah not worth a complaint. He only does it too wind me up and he knows its going to work every time. Seeing as he organises four shows in one weekend and then has to stand there all day (for three days) and stewards as well, if he gets a laugh out of it to break the monotony then fine by me. However I will say that in all other respects he is a good steward and doesn't mind pushing people along if they are a bit slow. Especially on the last day of a weekend. He's the sort of person that if you were stuck he would help out when he could. He just likes stirring a bit when he can. I have seen him help an exhibitor out when they had two dogs to take into the ring for a runoff and they didn't have a handler available (called away to run their own dog). There he was clipboard and sheets in one hand and dog in the other.

We get a steward in SA that calls out (WHile the Staffordshire terriers are in) can we have the foxies to the ring. Obviously any foxies entered would have already been in by now. But he always waits till we are in the assembly area then yells it out anyway (With a voice that doesn't need a megaphone). The bastard knows I hate my dogs being called foxies so thats why he does it.

So Cosmolo you wouldn't be saying, in a very subtle way, that the owner may have something to do with it?

Is this the same guy that was at Illabo last October?

I would agree with Mandalay. When we got our first trailer I just parked it in the yard with all the doors and windows open and let the dogs explore it in their own time. Our first one had two dividing doors which allowed two berths on each side to open up into one long berth on each side. WIthin ten minutes the dogs were chasing each other in one door along the trailer and out the other door. Also feeding them in it so they learn that the trailer is a good thing. Nowadays whenever you hook the trailer up and open the doors it a race to see who can get in first. Open one door and before you get to open the second door ten dogs have all jumped in the first one. The only one that doesn't jump in is our oldest dog because I think he has worked out if the others jump in to one berth he gets the next berth to himself.

Pretty much as with all small terriers

Our Lockwood trailer has ply wall linings and we have never had a problem with pups chewing etc. However ours has all edges sealed etc so that dogs can't get an edge to start gnawing on. With the whirly gigs on ours there are block off plates under the whirly gig which allows you to shut off air flow etc through the vent. Also the whirly gigs have a vertical ring under the spinner so water can't run across and into the vent. The air sort of goes in through the spinner and down the vertical shaft. Never had water get in.

As a breeder I always want to know how any pups are going. Its good to know if there are any health issues and to know the temperment of the pups in their homes. Also I like to just keep track of where they all are. In fact one of the best contacts I had was from a person that got a pup from us and two years later sent me a nice letter explaining how their (now) dog had alerted them to the presence of a snake in their yard not far from their three and five year old children. Not only did the dog raise the alarm and hence protect the kids it then also joined in the "game" of catching the invader. Now to me that one letter and the actions of this one dog that I breed is one of the most rewarding things that I know of. When you breed a litter of pups and then have one of the owners of the pup write to you and thank you for breeding a dog that saved their kids, then you may understand. Another way to look at this. If there was a problem with your dog you would want the breeder to help wouldn't you? is it so hard to send a photo so that when you want help someone will be there to help you. When you stay up all night while your bitch whelps a litter or you have to race her off for an emergency c-section at midnight,then stay up all night with her pups feeding them from an eyedropper and keeping them warm while mum recovers, and only leave them to go to work the next morning then rush straight home afterwards to relieve whoever filled in. When after two or three days you hold in your hand a pup that didn't make it. When you cry about that pup and beat yourself up for days wondering what you did wrong with that one pup (when really there was nothing you could do) Maybe then you might understand what breeders put into producing that pup you have. It takes only a minute or two to take a photo and send it. But in return the breeder would be there if you needed any help.

The reality is that if someone is prepared to pay that much, there will always be someone prepared to charge it. ETA: If you think about it if someone is prepared to pay $3000 for a pup (whatever breed) then there is less chance of that pup being abused or abandoned than if they only pay $100 or so. Maybe there is something to be said for higher prices for pups. Must admit there is a fair bit of generalisation here.

They do if you have one points in some states I might point out that when this has happened to us (A few times in the last few years) it had usually been with a challenge attached. However if we get best of breed and puppy in breed, then go on to get puppy in group (but not BIG or RUBIG- as happened when we went into a particular state earlier this year) they have held the group cert back until we have gone in for Puppy in show. (This occurs in one state where they do give Certs for class in group even though there are no points). Actually I only know of one state that gives certs for class in group. Does anyone else know of a state that gives certs for class in group?

Another thing for newbies is if you do get awarded best dog/bitch (female dog that is)or Best Of Breed, be sure to pick up your challenge certificates (usually at the Secretaries office) before you leave the show and check they have the right names (yours and the dogs) and the judges signature. Many clubs will not mail them out if you forget to pick them up. Also if you get a class in group or a best in group, in some states they hold your certificates until you have competed for in show. So if your dog is in group 4 and you get Best In Group they hold your challenge cert. until you have competed for best in show. If you get puppy in group they can also hold the certificate until you have competed for puppy in show. A show we were at recently an exhibit won best in group but did not stay for best in show. So the steward called them absent and notified all present that the state council will be informed and that person lost their points. They can be hard enough to get without throwing them away.