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How did everyone go?

Maybe have a Behaviourist come in, it's best for them to see before giving advice.

There's also MDBA Pacers: http://www.mdbapacers.org.au/ Something doesn't sound right though. If the animals have no water then the RSPCA would have to help. If she was arressted from her home then her animals have to be accounted for i.e. an animal welfare group contacted.

Yep, a foster dog (male) ate a bunch of pills. What happened? Well he didn't get preggers that's for sure! I rang emergency and they said to bring him in and make him puke, I said what would the pills do to him and they admitted nothing so I didn't take him in. Not sure what it would do to a bitch though.

LOL My dog can do box - shame about most other things!

Your piece of paper means nothing to me when you advocate what you do....it's dangerous. Maybe leave the ego behind and learn something new? What exactly is your piece of paper and when did you get it?

Many owners are 'lay' Dog owners and they don't all have aggressive dogs. I'm sorry but it's time to be accoutable in what is being bred and actually do the research and look at the studies that are out there.

Indigo who's the boss you or the dog. You are the pack leader and the dog does as you say. You also say this....she heels when I insist. Well insist she doesn't dig. You also say she isn't destructive in the house....of course not, you can get to her quickly to correct her. Now nobody tell me I don't know what I am talking because I do. 1. Instructor at obedience 2. Titled dogs in obedience 4. Passes at Best in Trial level 5. Held an obedience judges licence. When you find the dog digging, run towards her making loud noises. Push her to the ground and roll her around manhandling her. This is what the pack leader would do if she disobeyed. Let her know it is wrong to dig. If that fails think up things that are displeasing so that when she digs she will blame herself for it. It's also very easy with electric collars. Put one on her and let go out side and when start to dig zap her. If you are not standing close to her and do this every time she starts to dig she will soon blame herself. Make the dog blame herself for digging. She will soon learn that digging brings bad results for her and she will think she causes it and should stop. Just make sure you are well away from the dog when she gets zapped in this case you want the dog to blame herself. If you want the dog to blame you and see you as pack leader, try the first method. I agree with this post. You can stop wrong behaviours, the dog will associate digging with your displeasure. Tell the dog what to do...(or not to do) and it must comply. So how is manhandling or shocking a dog telling the dog "what not to do". It's just an assault for no reason that's clear to the dog. If the dog is already digging, it probably wont' even know why you did it. There's no command, no cue, no required behaviour being taught. Indeed, the poster who recommends using a shock collar you shouldn't be near the dog at all. Pack leader dogs don't beat up other dogs for doing what is natural, non-confrontational undirected behaviour. The analogy doesn't wash with me. How does "leadership" get involved when you want the dog to "blame itself" for doing something wrong. This is a perfect illustration of why "obedience training" and "behaviour modification" should not be considered to be an automatically complementary set of skills. Having an OC Obedience dog doesn't necessarily mean you know anything about modifying unwanted self rewarding dog behaviour. Hell I can think of at least one multi state title winning obedience trialler whose dogs could not be reliably recalled under even low distraction outside the ring. Conversely, I can think of very talented behaviorists who will never darken a trialling ring. +1!

See that doesn't make sense to me.....leave your emotions at the door and get the the most you can out of the class if that is the class you want to go to and you can afford People get away with what you let them get away with so don't just nod and smile.

I'm not sure if I'm looking at this to simple but I don't know why you're letting these events occur that piss you off so much. If you know she is a destro dog then when you take her outside don't let her be out there unsupervised. When you go out, put her in her kennel (if you don't have one, build one). Seems like that's problem solved? If she loves digging so much maybe take her somewhere once a week she can run off lead and dig such as a beach or a farm etc. Also have you considered changing her diet and perhaps putting her on a calming powder? Might not work but I don't believe it will hurt either.

PTS = Put to Sleep. You need to call around Behaviourists and make sure they are experienced in Aggression, there's nothing worse than spending money on a person whose not experienced in the area you need them to be, they range in price quite a bit. I've always paid under $200 for a session regardless of how long that session was and that is in Australia's most expensive City. In regards to rehoming: I say a big fat NO. Aggressive dogs should not be rehomed i.m.o.

Well I shall send you 'pass' vibes! I hear even the awesome dogs do weird things at the Royal so you just never know

You have to see a Behaviourist, you don't really have much choice and stop using the e-collar until you can get a Behaviourist to train you how to use it because as you jsut discovered incorrect use on a dog can cause more problems. No one here can ethically give you advice on an aggressive dog. You have some choices from what I can see 1 - Get in a Behaviourist 2 - Muzzle the dogs 3 - Don't take the dogs out into public And last of all if you're not prepared to get the help you need to help these dogs then PTS i.m.o as there's nothing worse than an aggro dog that doesn't get help because of the constant messed up state they live in....but you know what....PTS costs more than a Behaviourist in many cases.

GOOD LUCK!

Possibly because she's reeeeally old and finds bending over a challenge?? She'd like Dante!

Crossing everything for you! Me too, my nerves are a killer, it is not Daisy that stuffs it up but me Our judge is the judge we had in our first ever trial, she is the only judge Daisy has ever broken a SFE under. The judge is older and sort of rested her hand on Daisy's head and Daisy stepped back with a WTF look on her face so you can guess what I have been training a lot of with our SFEs We find with conformation showing that alot of the dogs don't feel comfortable with some of the Older judges - there's alot of thought that it's because of the medication they tend to be on especially heart meds. I wonder why she rested her head on Daisy's head!

Crossing everything for you!

Yeah I think so, I think when we initially take off he like cool there should be food coming anytime soon and then it doesn't come when he expects it and lag. If he's just not in the mood then he'll lag from the begining, today he was not in the mood from stepping out the door.

LOL Hacking whoops. I know why he lags - it's motivation but that's my fault, because he was such a prick of a young dog I was always about him being calm and not a dick and I kinda stuffed it up and now you can't rev him up *bangs head* The lessons I have learned LOL

Thanks! The aim has been the hardest thing! I had everyone at obedience laughing my first weeking doing it, I sounded like I was hacking up a fur ball and I never aimed well but we're getting there now! Now to stop him lagging in heel!

Thanks! No more blood noses either LOL

Took some video of the sit close training, it's been 2.5 weeks since you guys first offered help and here is where we are at now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWRSXIsa7eY

Seems like no one knows why Grapes are meant to be bad huh?

These days they call it "idiopathic aggression" At least some study results refute the idea of "cocker rage". I quote. Just because an owner doesn't understand why a dog becomes aggressive doesn't mean there ain't a reason. That's still not a positive thing for Breeders, Dominance doesn't neccessarily = Aggression. A true Dominant dog does not need to show aggression. It's still poor breeding - breeding dogs who are insecure dominants to react in such a manner. We already know that shyness is inheritated - i.e. as seen in BC's. People need to start being accountable that genetics does come into it sometimes. Yes, so do bad owners but it's not all about bad owners, sometimes bad dogs are bred and sometimes so much so that you create an average temperament/problem i.e. as seen in certain health issues in breeds. Different studies will say different things and it depends on the controls of the studies, I read about Cocker Rage from Dr Temple Grandin when she talks about simple trait breeding and experiences with it - sometimes us non-scientists think we know better, I'm not sure why - perhaps to protect out right to own and breed dogs? Sorry, but when people stop making excuses and blaming owners for everything some good might actually be done. I'm not for BSL but sometimes I think we create it by sounding the way we do by saying it's all the Owners fault.

Checking back to see how pooch is?