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Don't think there were enough puppies to be a puppy farm. Back yard cross breeder, I think. and I would never buy from someone who couldn't spell the name of what they were breeding!! Or thought "flead" was a word --- or was breeding silky x shih tzu, what a horrible cross. What could they be thinking of? Nothing

Mine leave home with their own folder with information on the breed breed standard basic training information toilet training information information on vaccinations diet and general care information - what to feed, when to reduce meals, worming, when next vac is due, grooming, washing, blah blah (3 pages) pedigree information on the breed from the canine control, and information on the canine control (supplied by them) photos of parents (sometimes) vaccination certificate microchip details health guarantee copy of the rehoming guarantee, signed by the buyer book on the breed (when I can find one!) 6 weeks free insurance soft toy which the whole litter has played with enough food for a few days No registration papers. I register the entire litter at once, receive the registration certificates from the CC and post them to the new owners when the whole litter has been sold. But I do tell the new owners how long it is likely to take, and in the paperwork they take, it says the pup will be registered, and gives the registered names of the parents and dob, of course. If the registration takes longer than I said, I contact them to tell them why. People hate buying pups from me, it takes forever, and the flamin paperwork weighs more than the pup!! Edited to add - as you can see, everyone does it differently, so it is probably best to ask the breeder before you buy, if it is important to you.

charleswentworth - it does seem as if Charlie is not absorbing calcium, or it is being leached from his system thus weakening the bones. It's ages since I read the original diagnosis. Excuse me if I am wrong. I often am So it would seem to me that trying to do something to get his system to work would be the next step. And that would mean giving him something to help that happen, as it obviously isn't going to by itself. I don't know much about it, and I don't think your vet does either - it's outside his field of expertise. The reason I suggested Robert McDowall is that you cannot just give Charlie a pill, or pop down to the health food store for something. Indeed, there may be nothing, but I've read really good things about Robert McDowall here - and he is an animal naturopath, so he has experience. And you are going to need someone smart and experienced. I think physio and acupuncture will probably alleviate pain, but to have a good long term prognosis, I think you need to explore ways to get things to work properly again, Many things - ie - food, and absorbtion of certain enzymes and minerals - are co-dependent - calcium needs Vit D to be absorbed for instance. What Charlie has is quite rare. There was a family of boxers with CM - testing revealed the heart muscles of these dogs were deficient in L-carnitine. The blood levels were normal. It was felt that the deficiency may have been inherited. Dogs don't conserve L-carnitine, so a supplement was necessary for these dogs. A lot of research and study went into this - and we now know that L-carnatine is an important supplement for dogs with dilated cardiomyopathy. (Other supplements also help dogs with heart problems, but that's not the point of this paragraph). So, I am hoping that there is something, as above, which will help him. I was thinking more long term, rather than pain relief. Something to help his body work properly again. It has always seemed to me that his system was deficient in something - whether you can add that is another matter, but I'd give it a go if it was my dog.

No, animals which perish from heat stroke usually do it quietly. And they were IN THE TRUNK!!!?? Boot = trunk, so no one would have seen them at all.

Maybe the RSPCA was too busy nabbing Judy Gard? Registered dogs and single older ladies are easy targets. Teach those registered breeders a lesson. Or maybe there wasn't a TV crew handy? Or maybe ........................ Makes a mockery of their stance of wanting to shut down puppy farms. Could have started right there. Someone is lying. I don'r much are for AL, but I do admire Debra Tranter for talking the talk and walking the walk. Onya Debra

That's another option we can look into... it would be very interesting to bring Charlie into my mum's chinese doctor and see what his reaction will be, when I ask him for his suggestions! I would also try a good naturopath - which is why I suggested Robert McDowall. It seems, from what I understand, that Charlie's system is not absorbing/using Vit D and/or calcium. Therefore the simplest answer would be to get his system to do that - sounds easy - but it's not, although it may be possible. It's not something vets learn, so I wonder about a naturopath to try to get his system to work.

Me too Great news

That's not good news. If he was my dog, I'd go to see a naturopath - Robert McDowall in Sydney maybe, to see if there is something which will help the bone to regenerate --- or try Chinese medicine. Sometimes, alternative medicine helps where traditional fails. I don't suppose it is skeletal scurvy is it? I would have thought he was too old - but don't know enough about it. Other dog - bigger than Charlie would be problematical, and livelier would also be a problem - so a terrier wouldn't be the go I am also voting for a Cavalier, and from one of the "old" quieter lines. And of course, from a reputable breeder with suitable lines. Plenty of cavs do agility etc, and do well. Maybe the oh could pretend it is a Newfie? Or a rottweiler? Wish I knew more about min pins!! Maybe that could be an option, but I think maybe they are too active ......??

Dogs bred to guard are more likely to step up - whether they would actually do something protective depends on the dog, and how confident he is, and how strong his instincts are. Some "non guarding" breeds are quite protective -- my cocker boy warns, one girl would wag at anyone, and one would collapse at an intruder's feet, anticipating a belly scratch. but they were bred to be retrievers after all!! Probably Pete would bark if someone strange entered - he would be a watch dog. Usually a dog barking is sufficient to warn off most intruders Mita the perfect set up. I guess your tibbies at home forget the mastiffs aren't right behind them for back up!!! Didn't the spaniels give warning, and the mastiffs did the business? Hope they never look behind them to check for mastiffs when they are chasing someone

I have learned - to put a sheet of tin and a log or big rock on top - or a manhole cover - if you can find one. Never had a failure. Averts any possibility of resurrections!! My children had a big white rabbit who went to heaven. We had a nice funeral. I thought the grave was deep enough - alas, l looked out the next morning to find the dogs playing with a white toy!! A toy? A toy? Oh uh!! That's NO toy Had to rush out and rebury bunny before the kids woke up! It's a bit sick making

Sometimes it doesn't matter how many questions you ask!! And as pups in Q don't need to be registered until they go to their new homes, it can be difficult. I like that system, as it means the pups are registered in the new owners' names, and there is only one lot of paperwork for me I always put in writing that the pup will be registered, and name the parents, and their numbers - but there is nothing to prevent me resigning from the CC and not registering them Luckily, most of the time, nothing goes wrong. And it does sound as if the people intend to register the pups. Hope so. Fingers crossed. Sometimes things do go wrong in our lives, and it's difficult to cope. And nice dogs are nice dogs, paperwork or not.

Love it Go for it. Never hurts to tell them you are ticked off, and this could be a good time. Of course PP would have had the breeder sign a guarantee to say they would take the pup back if it had a problem, but they get more mileage this way. So caring.

I think the spokesperson for the council, if quoted correctly, is off the mark. If the original report is correct, the foxy dug under the fence, and was in the yard with two properly contained dogs who lived there. Or are there more wacky laws in this shire too? Sad about the senator, and sad about the foxy too. Mum to Emma - dog aggression does not equal human agression. These two dogs were protecting their territory from an intruding dog. Dogs can actually differentiate between dogs and people. Big dogs certainly can do more damage than little dogs, but the vast majority of them never bother. Dogs which bite are dogs with a problem, or dogs which are put into certain situations. Big dogs (and little dogs) don't randomly travel around looking for people or dogs to bite. It's an unusual thing.

Yep, I know they are all different. Probably wont get through, dog people in US are generally very switched on, and the AKC seems to be on the job. Good to know what is happening though.

Great news for Hannah, Bel

What everyone else said. The only other potential problem would be if the deceased dog died from a contagious disease which the visiting dog may contract.

That's really sad. I hope it resolves, maybe it will from the sound of it. In any case, although it probably wont make the oh happy, the dog himself IS from purebred, registered parents, and you know you DO have a purebred, not a puppy farm drop out with a bit of this and a dash of mini foxy, and when he grows up he will be what he was supposed to be, papers or not. Papers would be better though I'm sorry there wasn't much support from the first breeder -sometimes breeders are appalled to know something happened when the dog was long past puppyhood, and don't know how to deal with it, so are brusque, which is a pity for them and their lines, because they should take an interest for the good of their dogs. None of this makes other registered breeders look very good either, but many of us do care.

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Does Hawaii have it's own legislation, or does it use USA one? You'd need to check that. I think if I was thinking of emigrating, I'd go there and spend a couple of weeks researching. NZ looks ok to me, they seem to be slow to bring in dragonian legislation, and the Govs reaction to docking was more reasoned than that of the Aus. gov. Sunshine Coast in Q allows as many dogs as you want - as long as they are registered, you have fences and the neighbours don't complain. I actually thought, from friends living there, that WA sounded quite reasonable. Friends live in the kennel zone though,or at Woop Woop However, I think it is only a matter of time until breeding is legislated out of existence in Aust, by one set of laws or another. So it's only a matter of time, no matter where in Aus you move. Spiff This forum is about sharing information. Pointeelab relayed information she was given from friends. It's now up to Sandgrubber to check it out. For all you know, Sandgrubber might be anything, and for all you know, Pointeelab might just know a whole lot more about Sandgrubber's ethnic background than you do Suggesting someone is in the KKK, as is calling them "an ugly Australian" is against the rules of the forum, and as far as tolerance is concerned, you might like to practice what you preach. And whilst you were ranting, you actually failed to add any information to the thread.

Hope she is ok, Bel, fingers crossed. Keep your chin up. She will be happier at home.

Posted with permission House Bill 2986 - This bill prohibits breeding dogs that share a common parent or grandparent. It makes the first violation subject to maximum fine of $360 and a second or subsequent violation subject to maximum fine of $720. The bill also requires breeders to keep records showing parentage and grandparentage of dogs and puppies. This bill has not yet received a hearing. http://www.leg. state.or.s/09reg/ measpdf/hb2900. dir/hb2986.ntro.pdf http://www.leg.state.or.us/09reg/measpdf/h....intro.pdf>; to read House Bill 2986. I sincerely hope the ANKC is aware of this bill and others like it.

Fat lump probably. Magnus has one on his side. Keep an eye on it, if it grows quickly, worry then Could be a sebaceous cyst - nothing to worry about either, but if it is, it may have a small hole in the top or you may be able to squeeze something out of it (without squeezing too hard). Old dogs get lumps.

Yep. Lots of owners, breeders and exhibitors hate tails. It is one of the reasons there are so few boxer pups available, lots no longer breed, and people do import from NZ so they can have a docked dog. Some also buy bobtails.

Judging by the numbers of unfortunate dogs which found there way into the PETA shelters, were euthed and dumped in an industrial bin, I don't think there would be any left whose chances would reduce by pedigree breeders!!

The incidence of spey incontinence is not high, but it is always a concern. It is important to have a good surgeon do the spey - or an experienced one at least. I have mine speyed for the same reason SBT does. To negate the possibility of pyo. Not all unspeyed bitches are going to get it,but it is one less thing to worry about, and yes, I have had older bitches speyed. No incontinence. And I find their personalities and temperaments do not change in the slightest. I think too much weight has been given to desexing causing behaviour/temperament/personality changes.