roxyporsha Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 Hi and Welcome. I've only heard bad things about the TAFE course. IMO any grooming course isn't going to be adequate. I wouldnt be doing training with a mobile unit either as alot of them aren't properly trained themselves, it's often just inhouse two weeks watching/learning.The best way is to go is get a job in a salon, start as a washer and work your way up to styling. It might take you a couple of years longer than planned but at least you'll be a Groomer rather than someone with a pair of clippers I would strongly discourage you from the grooming course at TAFE. I had a member of my staff who was doing it and she did it casue she paid for it but she learnt more practicle skills in 1 month with me that the whole time at tafe. Its a waste of money. They dont have correct facilities or equipment out there. Neither do they have adequate numbers of dogs to groom with. They dont have any idea about the real grooming world. You cannot learn a shnauzer clip by doing one dog. The only way to get into this industry is to get a job in a saoln for at least a year or two to get experience and knowledge behind yourself as well as find out if this is really for you. Its hard work, not all playing with cute dogs. I came into this industry a few years ago with no physical problems i know have a gammy back and get RSi in both wrists. Its hard work.Most mobile groomers will luck out before their 2nd year. I wish you luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roxyporsha Posted January 17, 2008 Author Share Posted January 17, 2008 I think all industries should have formal training when it comes to living animals, anyone can go out and say i'm a dog groomer! would you just trust anyone with your dogs or are you going to look for accreditations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ari Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 I can count on one hand the number of clients that have actually asked me about my training. Its really quite scary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roxyporsha Posted January 17, 2008 Author Share Posted January 17, 2008 I think that you are dealing with the life of a animal, being a groomer. We work with very sharp tools in the grooming industry i have seen some bad out comes from a slicker brush. I would hate to see a novice with 10" scissors. We can all go to a groomer to train i know i started that way and we know all groomers have been in the grooming industry for 30yrs + and they know it all. Even if they are only in there 20's. Also what happened to NEW ideas. i think you are always learning and the more knowleadge you get the better you will be . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogsfevr Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 I am not accrediated but have many years experience in the dog show world grooming higly specialized breeds(20 yrs).I started to learn at 10 yrs of age how to prepare my showdogs & over the years have learnt more & more & to be honest the courses run here for accrediation could not teach me anything so i wouldnt consider it a benchmark.The masters groomer title is a different kettle of fish but again it isnt easily available to many states ,many would be required to travel(QLD) to the ausgroom confereance ) & if we run our own business have to shut down for that time etc etc People rarely ask about my qualifications because they expect they are getting what they pay for & in my case it our puppy buyers,other breeders,people asking on the streets that we get referrals. The problem is in the last few years way too many fly by nights have decided grooming is an easy job with dogs & have no clue what so ever on what they are doing but still charge top dollar.I see these nightmares via boarding & previous clients & the relately is when you ask who groomed it last the same type of answer constantly comes up The problem many of us have with the Tafe course is 99% of those who do it feel what they learn there is they need to now & its only a spit in the ocean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roxyporsha Posted January 17, 2008 Author Share Posted January 17, 2008 how to answer! well i thing people who show dogs have a world of knowleadge, i know most of my knowleadge came from many weekend picking brains at dog shows"well the ones how wanted to share knowleadge. But i still think that you can never stop learning and if the industry was Mandatory accredited. it would weed out the so called groomer. when i tell people i groom dogs i get on of two reactions "OH you wash dogs" like i get a garden hose a spray. Or "that sould like fun can you teach me" translated "i would like to play with puppies all day can you teach me in a weekend" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squeak Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 The masters groomer title is a different kettle of fish but again it isnt easily available to many states ,many would be required to travel(QLD) to the ausgroom confereance ) & if we run our own business have to shut down for that time etc etc I believe that this may have just become available in NSW (location Dural), but I am not totally sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldiesRgr8Poodles2 Posted January 17, 2008 Share Posted January 17, 2008 I think all industries should have formal training when it comes to living animals, anyone can go out and say i'm a dog groomer! would you just trust anyone with your dogs or are you going to look for accreditations. I strongly beleive that there should be acceditation for groomers to weed out the bad ones but the SA TAFE course IS NOT it! It is superbly inferior to other states and teaches people nothing of the real world of grooming. Ihave Neve been asked what my accreditations are.I have a Cert II in animal care but no formalgrooming training and I will tell people mybackground but ive never been asked.And its not like my salon is a strugling hack groomers either we are booker up at least a week in advance and I have 4 people working everyday. We are good and none of us have formal traing just on the job but believe me is a proper training course come to SA we will all attnd it@ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roxyporsha Posted January 18, 2008 Author Share Posted January 18, 2008 IT IS DISAPPOINTING TO HEAR THE S.A. COURSE IS NO UP TO STANDARD. THE N.S.W. ONE I HAVE COMPLETED AND THEY WILL ALWAYS GO OUT OF THERE WAY TO HELP. I NOW DO DEMOS ON SCISSORING THERE. THEY HAVE A STANDARD AND ARE ALWAYS TRYING TO IMPROVE THE CLASS. THE MASTERS CERT IS AVAILABLE IN N.S.W. BUT IS A TEST. NOT A COURSE ON HOW TO GROOM. FOR YOUR MASTERS YOU MUST BE ABLE TO GROOM ALREADY AND KNOW YOUR REG BREEDS IN & OUT. WHERE AS THE TAFE YOU CAN HAVE NO EXPERIENCE AND WALK OUT WITH CONFIDENCE AND KNOW HOW TO HANDLE DOGS , GROOM AND RUN A BUSINESS ALSO KNOWLEDGE ON THE COM ANIMAL ACT, P.O.C.T.A. AND THE STANDARD FOR GROOMING IN THE PET INDUSTRY. WHEN I FIRST WAS LEARNING TO GROOM I HERD A LOT OF "THIS IS A TRADE SECRET" STUFF THAT! IF YOU KNOW A GOOD TIP DON'T HOLD IT TO YOURSELF, SO YOU THINK YOU CAN BE BETTER THAN THE GROOMER NEXT DOOR. I KNOW I AM GOING TO BE THE BEST GROOMER I CAN BE AND THAT'S ALL, I SAY THIS BECAUSE PEOPLE CAN ONLY DO THERE BEST. AS LONG AS YOU DON'T BLOCK YOUR MIND TO KNOWLEDGE YOU WILL ALWAYS BE YOUR BEST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted January 18, 2008 Share Posted January 18, 2008 Are you yelling ? or have you just forgotten that the caps lock is on... If you are yelling, I don't see anyone else in the thread doing it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roxyporsha Posted January 18, 2008 Author Share Posted January 18, 2008 Are you yelling ? or have you just forgotten that the caps lock is on...If you are yelling, I don't see anyone else in the thread doing it Not yelling i don't get that angry!!! but i am laughing now! didn't know cap lock meant you are yelling. good to know for future ref. thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOGFATHER Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 (edited) I know this is an old post, but In defence for TAFE SA. (yes, I am a TAFE student.) Gilles Plains campus are introducing for the 1st time, an Advanced Clipping & Grooming Course commencing July 2008. 10 days of intensive training with specialised breed clips for poodles, cocker spaniels, schnauzers and airedales, maltese, scottish and west highland terriers. I believe they are working with the pet industry towards an accreditation for groomers. edited: for the grammar nazis Edited February 28, 2008 by DOGFATHER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frufru Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 Umm - if it is advanced I suggest they get rid of "maltese terrier" they are not a terrier and are called a Maltese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shmoo Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 Umm - if it is advanced I suggest they get rid of "maltese terrier" they are not a terrier and are called a Maltese. 'nuff said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodle3081 Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 I know this is an old post, but In defence for TAFE SA. (yes, I am a TAFE student.) Gilles Plains campus are introducing for the 1st time, an Advanced Clipping & Grooming Course commencing July 2008. 10 days of intensive training with specialised breed clips for poodles, cocker spaniels, schnauzers and airedales, maltese, scottish and west highland terriers. I believe they are working with the pet industry towards an accreditation for groomers. edited: for the grammar nazis Good to hear positive experience regarding the training of groomers. Don't be put off by the negative comments, as there will always be knockers out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FGM Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 I am currently working with a groomer in qld and before this looked absolutely everywhere for a training course.There is nothing up here at all.Its very sad and we get a lot of dogs that come in from other so called groomers that need their hairstyle fixed or have been hurt or drugged etc.I think there needs to be more done by the government as this is a growing industry.The fact that you have a living animal to work with should never be taken for granted and always respected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t-time Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 Actually FGM, I don't know where you live but there are 2 courses availale in the Greater brisbane region - Ithaca Tafe at Red Hill is the major one and that course has been running for years!! Andalso there's a grooming salon at Redcliffe which runs private courses. I've heard the Redcliffe course is expensive but good - mind you, the rates would be similar to what you'd end up spending in Tafe fees. That course is part of an operating salon so sourcing dogs to clip would not be an issue. The Tafe course - I've heard both good and bad - I looked into that myself but decided I would definitely learn a lot more about breed clipping if I could wangle a coupleof days with experienced exhibitors in each breed. However, I happen to personally know one of their latest recruits and she is a fabulous groomer/breeder/exhibitor so I'm sure that the standards of her students will be quite high. 10 days of intensive training with specialised breed clips for poodles, cocker spaniels, schnauzers and airedales, maltese, scottish and west highland terriers. I don't know that you could possibly learn to clip all those breeds in 10 days!! You might hope to glean a tricks here and there for each breed but in the end, it's just another piece of paper. I also believe in industry training but it has to be inclusive of the experience levels currently in salons rather than training up newbies in opposition to current methods. I remember the same thing happened in human nursing - hospital trained nurses were valued more highly than university trained - simply because they had the knowledge AND the first-hand experience of day-to-day nursing. Now we have such a high demand for nurses, the system doesn't mind where you trained LOL!! Master Groomers needs to be freely available everywhere (for a small cost) and then the industry would be cleaned up immensely. Or else, take it into the real world and offer proper accredited apprenticeships like hairdressing - 3 years and you're qualified but unless you're good, you won't be runnng your own salon for quite a while - after you've had the experience. Some thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldiesRgr8Poodles2 Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 (edited) I know this is an old post, but In defence for TAFE SA. (yes, I am a TAFE student.) Gilles Plains campus are introducing for the 1st time, an Advanced Clipping & Grooming Course commencing July 2008. 10 days of intensive training with specialised breed clips for poodles, cocker spaniels, schnauzers and airedales, maltese, scottish and west highland terriers. I believe they are working with the pet industry towards an accreditation for groomers. edited: for the grammar nazis They do advertise as maltese terriers in the TAFE SA short course hand book... There shuldnt be short courses... learning to groom is not a short course deal. You could not learnt to clip all those breeds in 10 days and refer to it as advanced. Advaced implies skills learnt and be damned if they can teach you to lip properly and well all those breeds in 10 days... It takes months. Im all for PROPER training nd acredited courses. There needs to be standardisation in the industry to stop inexperienced people being able to get their hands on and cause potentially dangerous situations but courses like these arent it. These only promote inexperienced and backyard groomers without an ounce of experience thinking that they can now do out and clip anything. There needs to be better courses, longer, more comprehensive and more hands on. Edited February 29, 2008 by GoldiesRgr8Poodles2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldiesRgr8Poodles2 Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 direct quote from the tafe sa site. Advanced Clipping and Grooming Pre-requisite: Completion of introductory course or experience in a grooming salon and able to perform a first clip on a dog. Be prepared for 10 days of intensive training with specialised breed clips for poodles, cocker spaniels, schnauzers and airedales, west highland, scottish and maltese terriers. Course Type Short Course Industry Group Short Courses Duration 60 hours Part Time Cost $1,250 No concession NOTE: campus may specify additional costs such as for materials etc. Dog Grooming and Clipping Learn how to groom and clip your own animals or prepare yourself for work in the animal industry. On completion you have the opportunity to progress to the advanced clipping course. Course Type Short Course Industry Group Short Courses Duration 36 hours Part Time Cost $480 No concession NOTE: campus may specify additional costs such as for materials etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ari Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 It depends what you call advanced. You could easily learn to clip the "pet" patterns of those breeds in 10 days especially if you already know how to clip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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