Should We Disclose A Foster Dogs Past When Being Rehomed?.

[Greytmate]

The pics and notes on DOL are designed for experienced rescuers as a guide only. The dogs then go into care and are assesed, vetted rehomed responsibly.

Seems like an appropriate time to ask as any. Why are the pics and notes being posted in a public place? If there is a finite number of ethical rescue orgs, why not set up a private mailing list for them, for them to distribute to their own staff or carers as they see fit? Wouldn't this make it harder for PR to advertise dogs that are still in the pound if they had no access to this resource?

Dodgy rescue is everywhere, even here.

[Sheilaheel02]

Hmmm... how about the PR representative who forged a genuine rescuer's signature to spring a dog from a pound under that rescue's name... without notifying said rescue...

Everyone who has a 16D should and is legit rescue should be making sure that all pounds they deal with know exactly who is allowed to use their clause to get animals out of said pounds - and no exceptions unless prior arrangement by the clause holder is established.

How are we to know what animals have been sprung under various rescue's names without our knowledge if all paperwork is handed to the person taking the animal? Might be an idea to contact DLG and find out how many animals they have listed under your rescue's name... because if these people have done it once, they may have done it many more times... and who is accountable when the DLG ask for your records at the end of the year?

T.

This is very interesting. I need to do some more investigation about a dog council rang me about recently........

S

[Steve]

Nic - if PR just go away is the issue of pounds releasing dogs with out proper temp testing and without desexing and without caring about who they go to still the same? Its just hard to see how they can do what they do if the pounds aren't allowing it to happen.

If you stop them how do you know another group doesn't do the same thing tomorrow or that private people take dogs out when they shouldn't be let out? Or am I reading it wrong?

I dont think we can stop PR's Julie, though I do believe that council need to made aware of the issues.

There are particular 'rescues' who HP will not work with.

The pics and notes on DOL are designed for experienced rescuers as a guide only. The dogs then go into care and are assesed, vetted rehomed responsibly.

Only on Saturday I was asked to introduce a small breed dog to two families with young children. I had not previously met the dog though realised very quickly that he was unsuitable as he had rear end issues. I made that clear to the families, they were very grateful, and I then informed the staff.

I have a good working relationship with council and believe that they will be very concerned with a number of issues involving PR's.

O.K. so how are they getting them out then? Are you saying PR rather than someone else is actually getting them out ?That HP is seeing them as a rescue or do they usually release dogs to private people as well without temp testing and without screening?

I thought they were just putting people in touch with pounds - or are you saying they are actually having dogs released to them with council assuming they are doing the work that is required to temp test and screen homes?

[shmoo]

I thought they were just putting people in touch with pounds - or are you saying they are actually having dogs released to them with council assuming they are doing the work that is required to temp test and screen homes?

Melanie Norman holds a clause 16(d) for Pound Rounds. Pound Rounds claims not to be a rescue group, but what they do is spring dogs under their clause and send the dog to somebody from Facebook and then that person has to find a rescue group in their area to take them on as a foster carer.

[Guest lavendergirl]

Nic - if PR just go away is the issue of pounds releasing dogs with out proper temp testing and without desexing and without caring about who they go to still the same? Its just hard to see how they can do what they do if the pounds aren't allowing it to happen.

If you stop them how do you know another group doesn't do the same thing tomorrow or that private people take dogs out when they shouldn't be let out? Or am I reading it wrong?

I dont think we can stop PR's Julie, though I do believe that council need to made aware of the issues.

There are particular 'rescues' who HP will not work with.

The pics and notes on DOL are designed for experienced rescuers as a guide only. The dogs then go into care and are assesed, vetted rehomed responsibly.

Only on Saturday I was asked to introduce a small breed dog to two families with young children. I had not previously met the dog though realised very quickly that he was unsuitable as he had rear end issues. I made that clear to the families, they were very grateful, and I then informed the staff.

I have a good working relationship with council and believe that they will be very concerned with a number of issues involving PR's.

Sorry...OT but what are "rear end issues" - just curious

[tdierikx]

Rear end issues may mean that the dog is sore there for some reason... usually arthritis or an old wound...

T.

[Nic.B]

Nic - if PR just go away is the issue of pounds releasing dogs with out proper temp testing and without desexing and without caring about who they go to still the same? Its just hard to see how they can do what they do if the pounds aren't allowing it to happen.

If you stop them how do you know another group doesn't do the same thing tomorrow or that private people take dogs out when they shouldn't be let out? Or am I reading it wrong?

I dont think we can stop PR's Julie, though I do believe that council need to made aware of the issues.

There are particular 'rescues' who HP will not work with.

The pics and notes on DOL are designed for experienced rescuers as a guide only. The dogs then go into care and are assesed, vetted rehomed responsibly.

Only on Saturday I was asked to introduce a small breed dog to two families with young children. I had not previously met the dog though realised very quickly that he was unsuitable as he had rear end issues. I made that clear to the families, they were very grateful, and I then informed the staff.

I have a good working relationship with council and believe that they will be very concerned with a number of issues involving PR's.

O.K. so how are they getting them out then? Are you saying PR rather than someone else is actually getting them out ?That HP is seeing them as a rescue or do they usually release dogs to private people as well without temp testing and without screening?

I thought they were just putting people in touch with pounds - or are you saying they are actually having dogs released to them with council assuming they are doing the work that is required to temp test and screen homes?

I might email you Julie if thats ok :)

[Nic.B]

The pics and notes on DOL are designed for experienced rescuers as a guide only. The dogs then go into care and are assesed, vetted rehomed responsibly.

Seems like an appropriate time to ask as any. Why are the pics and notes being posted in a public place? If there is a finite number of ethical rescue orgs, why not set up a private mailing list for them, for them to distribute to their own staff or carers as they see fit? Wouldn't this make it harder for PR to advertise dogs that are still in the pound if they had no access to this resource?

Dodgy rescue is everywhere, even here.

Are you refering to DOL or facebook GM?

I think a private mailing list is a great idea and something we have considered.

The number of dogs they are pulling from HP and BP are huge. They are very much an extreamist group.

[Nic.B]

Nic - if PR just go away is the issue of pounds releasing dogs with out proper temp testing and without desexing and without caring about who they go to still the same? Its just hard to see how they can do what they do if the pounds aren't allowing it to happen.

If you stop them how do you know another group doesn't do the same thing tomorrow or that private people take dogs out when they shouldn't be let out? Or am I reading it wrong?

I dont think we can stop PR's Julie, though I do believe that council need to made aware of the issues.

There are particular 'rescues' who HP will not work with.

The pics and notes on DOL are designed for experienced rescuers as a guide only. The dogs then go into care and are assesed, vetted rehomed responsibly.

Only on Saturday I was asked to introduce a small breed dog to two families with young children. I had not previously met the dog though realised very quickly that he was unsuitable as he had rear end issues. I made that clear to the families, they were very grateful, and I then informed the staff.

I have a good working relationship with council and believe that they will be very concerned with a number of issues involving PR's.

Sorry...OT but what are "rear end issues" - just curious

He didnt like being touched or handled around his rear end. It could be medical or behavioural, either way, not suitable for young children. Rescue is probably his best option where he can be assesed :)

[Guest lavendergirl]

Nic - if PR just go away is the issue of pounds releasing dogs with out proper temp testing and without desexing and without caring about who they go to still the same? Its just hard to see how they can do what they do if the pounds aren't allowing it to happen.

If you stop them how do you know another group doesn't do the same thing tomorrow or that private people take dogs out when they shouldn't be let out? Or am I reading it wrong?

I dont think we can stop PR's Julie, though I do believe that council need to made aware of the issues.

There are particular 'rescues' who HP will not work with.

The pics and notes on DOL are designed for experienced rescuers as a guide only. The dogs then go into care and are assesed, vetted rehomed responsibly.

Only on Saturday I was asked to introduce a small breed dog to two families with young children. I had not previously met the dog though realised very quickly that he was unsuitable as he had rear end issues. I made that clear to the families, they were very grateful, and I then informed the staff.

I have a good working relationship with council and believe that they will be very concerned with a number of issues involving PR's.

Sorry...OT but what are "rear end issues" - just curious

He didnt like being touched or handled around his rear end. It could be medical or behavioural, either way, not suitable for young children. Rescue is probably his best option where he can be assesed :)

Ok - thanks. I was curious because I have an adopted dog myself - history unknown - who is not keen on being touched around the hind quarters either. I just wondered if this was common in rescue dogs.

[Sarach]

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The pics and notes on DOL are designed for experienced rescuers as a guide only. The dogs then go into care and are assesed, vetted rehomed responsibly.

Seems like an appropriate time to ask as any. Why are the pics and notes being posted in a public place? If there is a finite number of ethical rescue orgs, why not set up a private mailing list for them, for them to distribute to their own staff or carers as they see fit? Wouldn't this make it harder for PR to advertise dogs that are still in the pound if they had no access to this resource?

Dodgy rescue is everywhere, even here.

Embarrassed to say but if not for facebook I would have been in the dark regarding rescue orgs. With my love of silkies & looking for pages on them I discovered SSR which led to a few others & now I try to help donating when I can, knitting, sewing etc & sharing the pages so my family, especially grandson, learns how to help. He looks at the pages with me & I tell him what is happening with the needy animals. In that respect being public can be a good thing...just not the way PR go about it.

[gillbear]

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:rofl: :rofl: awesomeness.

Too funny.

[JessLovesGreyhounds]

Sorry to bud in, I am very upset with what has happened. Can someone please shed some light on which rescue this is? You can PM me. Cheers

[cryptic]

Have been reading a facebook page called PR beware which was formed not long after this thread was started. back in May. There was talk of it starting up contained in one of the pages on this thread.. .

This page has a ex PR volunteer who was high up the chain in this organisation working alongside the person or persons in charge commenting away and extolling her virtues. This CA person is no longer with PR and is now playing Judas Have no idea what happened there and am not really interested. She blocked me as she did not like what my response was to her barrage back in May. I had no idea she was so prominant on there till today when i used my friends computer who was logged onto facebook. I was shocked in one way but kind of amused in the other. She even has a post on there as well. She seems quite respected on this FB page which confuses me a little!!

This CA person is the same person who privately messaged me in a very threatening manner on FB when i asked the foster carer via pm why the dog which this thread is about was being advertised as good with every creature that had a pulse. When in fact this was not the case and they knew it.

This CA tried every trick in the book to intimidate me. Stooping to even very nasty personal insults regarding my feelings for dogs..The contact was initiated by her and was nothing short of disgusting and not only did she contact me to try and intimidate me she also contacted the dead dogs owners sister as well at the same time. and treated her in a similar manner. All of the correspondence from these conversations were in writing.and have been kept.

Last reports regarding Cookie is that she is back in kennels. Her home in Victoria did not work out apparently. That is not surprising if true. Because there seems to be transparency issues with these brokers/rescue very hard to confirm.

[aussielover]

Nic - if PR just go away is the issue of pounds releasing dogs with out proper temp testing and without desexing and without caring about who they go to still the same? Its just hard to see how they can do what they do if the pounds aren't allowing it to happen.

If you stop them how do you know another group doesn't do the same thing tomorrow or that private people take dogs out when they shouldn't be let out? Or am I reading it wrong?

I dont think we can stop PR's Julie, though I do believe that council need to made aware of the issues.

There are particular 'rescues' who HP will not work with.

The pics and notes on DOL are designed for experienced rescuers as a guide only. The dogs then go into care and are assesed, vetted rehomed responsibly.

Only on Saturday I was asked to introduce a small breed dog to two families with young children. I had not previously met the dog though realised very quickly that he was unsuitable as he had rear end issues. I made that clear to the families, they were very grateful, and I then informed the staff.

I have a good working relationship with council and believe that they will be very concerned with a number of issues involving PR's.

Sorry...OT but what are "rear end issues" - just curious

He didnt like being touched or handled around his rear end. It could be medical or behavioural, either way, not suitable for young children. Rescue is probably his best option where he can be assesed :)

Ok - thanks. I was curious because I have an adopted dog myself - history unknown - who is not keen on being touched around the hind quarters either. I just wondered if this was common in rescue dogs.

It's relatively common in many dogs, not just rescues.

There are lots of things in that area that can cause pain- hips, spine, anal sacs etc

[OutOfSightHound]

I think this thread is incredibly important as I was having the most horrible time being harassed by a Rescue because I disclosed to a Pet rehoming website that the dog was being Falsely advertised and was dangerous. I witnessed this dog bite numerous people and attack other dogs with 2 victims needing stitches. The dog was being advertised as a bit nipppy becasue it was a puppy } I provided the evidence and the paper work that we had provided to the local council to have the dog listed as dangerous even though it had been removed some time ago from a friends care. The dog was delisted along with a second dog we said was severly dog agressive as we had done the transport for this dog and it wanted to rip every other dogs face off. The reason I left this rescue was that it was rehoming "cute" dogs with serious problems and not disclosing things like the dogs had had serious illness like Parvo or head injuries etc. One dog had had pnuemonia and had a servely decreased lung capacity and the new family had adopted it to take trail riding . The dog is as sensitive as a pug and the new family were incredibly distressed that they may have almost unintentionally killed their dog because of his decreased lung capacity! Rescues that don't temprement test before placing in foster care are BIG trouble as they are putting people at risk amd problems are only found out once something BAD happens and not before. Full disclosure of hea;th and temprement is essential for the long term welfare of the adoptees and the dog!

[Greylvr]

I agree that everything you know about a dog should be disclosed, also there are too many good dogs dying. Sadly we cant save them all.

[OutOfSightHound]

I agree that everything you know about a dog should be disclosed, also there are too many good dogs dying. Sadly we cant save them all.

Greylvr, I totally agree there. Sadly a lot of the "new" rescues popping up of late are saving anything CUTE with a pulse! Dogs that are really nice but NOT "cute" are being passed over for "cute" dogs with serious problems both behavioural and medical! I'm also angry that problems like severe seperation anxiety get described as "like to always be close to their human" or "must be only dog" if the dog has serious agression issues.

I think its not fair on all the rescues doing good things, and then having their work undone or picking up the pieces for rescues that just wanna save it becasue its CUTE without thought for the animal or new owners.