booge Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 Just starting an elimination diet for my itchy boxer. Am using Vets All Natural Sensitive skin with roo mince and some sweet potato. Is Barf roo ok also? Or is it better to use plain old roo mince? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 AFAIK, an elimination diet is just that - to eliminate things which may cause an allergic reaction. Am using Vets All Natural Sensitive skin with roo mince and some sweet potato. Is Barf roo ok also? Or is it better to use plain old roo mince? From what I've read .. one novel protein is used, along with one novel starch. That's it. No other treats, kibble, veges...nothing.esp. no grains . There seems to be lots of varied ingredients in that commercial dog food ......... there is NO way you could pick out what he is allergic to using that . roo tail and sweet potato would be a good place to start, IMO :) No doubt those with more experience will pop in to help :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minimax Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 What brand of BARF? Most have other veggies and fruits and stuff thrown in, so that's really not going to help if he has a reaction to something. I would presume a good elimination diet eliminates as much as possible! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mason_Gibbs Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 (edited) When we did our elimination diet as instructed by the dermatologist we could use, sweet potato or pumpkin and one novel protein, we used roo. Added the VAN mix in will be a disasterous it has so many ingredients your dog could react to without you knowing. Edited May 28, 2012 by Mason_Gibbs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumabaar Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 I agree. You only want your dog to be eating one starch and one protein. Add in the van after 6 weeks and see if you get a reaction and go from there but don't use it in your food trial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussielover Posted May 28, 2012 Share Posted May 28, 2012 (edited) No. Ideally you should not use any kibble either. If you do use kibble then you should feed that kibble only and it should be a hypoallergenic kibble with a novel protein eg. Eukanuba response fp or hills ultra z/d or rc hypoallergenic. These commercial diets are not as good for picking up good allergy as a home cooked diet with up to 30% of dogs with food allergy going undetected You should be feeding roo plus potato ( or other carb) only. Edited May 28, 2012 by aussielover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
espinay2 Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 Frankly, for a true elimination diet you would be better starting off with no 'combination' foods at all. You can start off with one protien (i.e. just roo or chicken mince or just one type of raw meaty bone). For the short time you are doing the one thing only just feeding that one thing only will not be an issue (with the exception perhaps of puppies who are still in their major growth stage - particularly if you are feeding the meat without the bone) You can then start to add individual items to this to test. It will give you a truer picture a lot more quickly than feeding a food that already contains multiple items (as if the dog still has problems - you have no idea which ingredient or additive is the culprit) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mumtoshelley Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 I had my guys on black hawk kibble and raw minced meat and bones they all were scratching on and off throughout the day,Missy my whippet had bad farts eg clear the room farts. I changed them to a raw food diet they have only been on it for a week and already there no longer scratching, Missy is no longer doing those horrible farts. There must be something in black hawk kibble that doesn't agree with my dogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minimax Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 I had my guys on black hawk kibble and raw minced meat and bones they all were scratching on and off throughout the day,Missy my whippet had bad farts eg clear the room farts. I changed them to a raw food diet they have only been on it for a week and already there no longer scratching, Missy is no longer doing those horrible farts. There must be something in black hawk kibble that doesn't agree with my dogs. That's not an elimination diet, nor has it anything to do with an elimination diet though. You merely changed their food. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog_Horse_Girl Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 If you search "elimination diet" you ought to find a number of relevant threads. But to summarise what a proper elimination diet is: 1. Stop all current foods, treats, biscuits, bones - ANYTHING your dog eats or ingests. 2. Introduce one protein source (eg fish, OR roo OR rabbit OR turkey) and one starch source (eg sweet potato OR apple OR beetroot) and feed only these two foods for six weeks unless the dog has a severe reaction. In that case, replace the protein source for up to a week to watch for improvement and if no change, replace the starch source. 3. At the end of six weeks, introduce ONE new protein source and ONE new starch, continuing to feed the two original foods. Do this for another week or two. Then introduce ONE MORE new protein source and ONE MORE new starch source...and so on. Don't introduce "mixtures" of any type. This is counter-productive because it only takes a tiny amount of an allergen to produce a reaction. How will you know which ingredient is to blame if you feed any type of mixtures? The true elimination diet will take around six months to complete and by the end, you will know what individual foods cause an allergic response in your dog and which are safe. I kept a journal throughout in order to report to my vet and to remember which foods worked and which didn't. After about 12 weeks, instead of adding a fruit or vegetable, you can add something different, eg yoghurt or cheese, to see if the dog reacts (plain yoghurt or cheese obviously). Ruby is allergic to both but in tiny amounts, it doesn't do much harm. Any questions, PM me as I've been through it... :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheridan Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Do you really need to start a new thread each time you have a new thought on your dog's allergies? How many is it now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
booge Posted May 31, 2012 Author Share Posted May 31, 2012 Cheers to all offering help, to anyone apparently offended by a post topic I've apparently repeated, get out of the house and off the computer! Too long trawling the forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mason_Gibbs Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 I'm busy doing an elimination diet with my youngest, I'm doing horse and pumpkin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tara8430 Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 I had my guys on black hawk kibble and raw minced meat and bones they all were scratching on and off throughout the day,Missy my whippet had bad farts eg clear the room farts. I changed them to a raw food diet they have only been on it for a week and already there no longer scratching, Missy is no longer doing those horrible farts. There must be something in black hawk kibble that doesn't agree with my dogs. Im the same Black Hawk made my pup insanely itchy and biting at herself, she has been off it for 3 or so weeks now and is nearly back to normal. It deffinately didnt agree with Abbey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diva Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 (edited) Just starting an elimination diet for my itchy boxer. Am using Vets All Natural Sensitive skin with roo mince and some sweet potato. Is Barf roo ok also? Or is it better to use plain old roo mince? I agree with all the comments about not using compound foods or it's not an elimination diet. On top of that, BARF Roo flavour (the Dr B product) has a lot of beef in it - heart, liver, tripe etc - as well as eggs. So it's not even a single protein. Entirely unsuitable for an elimination diet even before you consider the different vegies etc. Edited June 1, 2012 by Diva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
booge Posted June 1, 2012 Author Share Posted June 1, 2012 Have been chatting to Belinda at Vets all Natural, and for now I think I'll try the roo with VAN omega 3 and skin and coat formula with the sensitive skin mix and see how that goes for 6 weeks. I wasn't aware the Roo Dr B BARF had beef in it....thanks for the heads up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 just be aware that this is not an elimination diet :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minimax Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 Have been chatting to Belinda at Vets all Natural, and for now I think I'll try the roo with VAN omega 3 and skin and coat formula with the sensitive skin mix and see how that goes for 6 weeks. I wasn't aware the Roo Dr B BARF had beef in it....thanks for the heads up. ... which isn't an elimination diet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mason_Gibbs Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 Have been chatting to Belinda at Vets all Natural, and for now I think I'll try the roo with VAN omega 3 and skin and coat formula with the sensitive skin mix and see how that goes for 6 weeks. I wasn't aware the Roo Dr B BARF had beef in it....thanks for the heads up. ... which isn't an elimination diet? The above Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumabaar Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 Have been chatting to Belinda at Vets all Natural, and for now I think I'll try the roo with VAN omega 3 and skin and coat formula with the sensitive skin mix and see how that goes for 6 weeks. I wasn't aware the Roo Dr B BARF had beef in it....thanks for the heads up. ... which isn't an elimination diet? The above I probably do agree with this approach. Best in this case to probably wait and see a specialist before going down the path of elimination trials. May as well just make sure the dog is on a great diet and healthy in every other respect so that the derm can really see what is going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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