WreckitWhippet Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Back yard breeders don't learn when things go right. When they go right and the bitch whelps and raises the litter under the house and they have very little to do with it, they sell the pups, make a profit and do it all again. When it smacks the bank balance hard and they require medical intervention that costs them a fortune, then they sit up and take notice. I can guarantee a c-section and the loss of puppies stops them in their tracks. It did for my former clients and their Dally litter. They wanted to show the kids the wonders of having a litter and the joys of life. They were prepared to potentially breed deaf pups and cash in on the "joy of life". They did it despite the warnings of what could happen to their bitch and the got a lesson in life alright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stellnme Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Totally agree Pav Lova. By the way BigDaz, some people wanting their dogs to have just one litter may be ignorant of the risks and not informed but they are not all "morons." One of the kindest, nicest person I know is wanting their dog to have pups "just once." and we are trying to change her mind by letting her know exactly what Pav Lova is saying. Sometimes that is the only advice that may work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salukifan Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 (edited) I wish them a 3am c-section on a public holiday. They might breed once but they'll never do it again Or a 12 hour whelping during the night, breech births & a trip to an emergency Vet at 2am to get puppy formula to feed the puppies, because the mother doesn't want to know the puppies she's had, while she is still pushing out the others. Then the 2 hour feeds for the runts of the litter, who are too small to compete with the bigger stronger pups. I would have thought that a good whack to the hip pocket would have been sufficient but what they heck, they can have the lot Wow, you just get even better with successive post... The mind boggles. Dear lord, if it does happen, here's hoping everything goes as right as it possibly can in this kind of situation with no hardship inflicted upon the poor dog. At least if it's a complicated, expensive birth, it only happens once. And no successive litters of little ACD X pups are likely to find their way to the pound and end up PTS before their first birthday because "they nip the kids". And I don't have to watch rescuers rip their hair out because such dogs aren't a piece of cake to find homes for either. Agree that BYBs aren't going to be discouraged from doing it again if it all goes tickety boo. The best way to ensure that bitch doesn't suffer is to remove her uterus. Failing that, how do you do it? Edited November 17, 2012 by Haredown Whippets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andisa Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 No one will ever wish the worst on the poor bloody bitch who was unfortunate to end up in a BYB home, but we can only hope that if they are breeding their dogs that they will do what ever it takes to look after them correctly and not just leave it all up to the dogs as so many people do. However every time I see this pic I do wish it on the BYB prick who bought a pug pup from me 3 yrs ago by deception and then some... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackJaq Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 (edited) OP, if your BIL (SIL? whoever owns the dog) really would be bothered if something happened to the dog then I would carefully and CALMLY explain exactly what could happen. If he doesn't think this could happen to him, ask him to at least have a chat to his vet about the potential risks AND the costs. Don't lather on the emotional language and appeal to his sense of right and wrong and all that crap because he will dismiss anything else you say as well as that. For several years now I have been trying to convince my own OH to neuter his extremely dominant male dog. The dog is bloody 5 years old now and still entire but at least he has never covered a bitch. I bought a pedigree dog myself and OH was all for breeding the two of course :p :p A Mismatch made in heaven, reactive large bully mix x Weimaraner! Can you imagine! He eventually really came to care for my bitch and when I made the decision to spay her it really got him thinking. He was not on board with this at all. He is now experiencing some man issues (kidneys and prostate related) and learning about what his dog may likely go through if not neutered and I think it is playing on his mind, he has been talking about fixing him a bit lately. Sometimes it can be a very long process for somebody to make the decision to not breed and even de-sex their dog. It is frustrating for everyone who "knows better" and knowing them makes it a continuous issue in your life, not just a stupid thing some stranger did. Anyways, point of my post is this: Explain calmly what could happen to his dog, the costs that he will definitely have to bear (I would still dob them in for not chipping and registering the dog if she is not chipped and registered but they don't have to know that you did that) an the costs that COULD arise. All in a practical and calm manner so as to be taken seriously. Get him to look at his dog and imagine if she had a breech puppy stuck halfway while he was out. Ask him what he thinks would happen in that scenario. Say whatever you think may appeal to his common sense and love for the dog, you obviously know the guy better than me! Maybe you can slowly convince him over time, rather than try to overwhelm him in a moment lol Edited November 17, 2012 by BlackJaq Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheridan Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 1353187403[/url]' post='6024687']Back yard breeders don't learn when things go right. When they go right and the bitch whelps and raises the litter under the house and they have very little to do with it, they sell the pups, make a profit and do it all again. When it smacks the bank balance hard and they require medical intervention that costs them a fortune, then they sit up and take notice. I can guarantee a c-section and the loss of puppies stops them in their tracks. It did for my former clients and their Dally litter. They wanted to show the kids the wonders of having a litter and the joys of life. They were prepared to potentially breed deaf pups and cash in on the "joy of life". They did it despite the warnings of what could happen to their bitch and the got a lesson in life alright. It seems your sense of right and wrong has become extremely warped if you're wishing ill on a dog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 1353187403[/url]' post='6024687']Back yard breeders don't learn when things go right. When they go right and the bitch whelps and raises the litter under the house and they have very little to do with it, they sell the pups, make a profit and do it all again. When it smacks the bank balance hard and they require medical intervention that costs them a fortune, then they sit up and take notice. I can guarantee a c-section and the loss of puppies stops them in their tracks. It did for my former clients and their Dally litter. They wanted to show the kids the wonders of having a litter and the joys of life. They were prepared to potentially breed deaf pups and cash in on the "joy of life". They did it despite the warnings of what could happen to their bitch and the got a lesson in life alright. It seems your sense of right and wrong has become extremely warped if you're wishing ill on a dog. I wish a c-section on those poor puppy farm bitches too. I'd consider it a kinder option to be discarded early in life, even if it results in death, then to be bred and bred, until you can breed no more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salukifan Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 Back yard breeders don't learn when things go right. When they go right and the bitch whelps and raises the litter under the house and they have very little to do with it, they sell the pups, make a profit and do it all again. When it smacks the bank balance hard and they require medical intervention that costs them a fortune, then they sit up and take notice. I can guarantee a c-section and the loss of puppies stops them in their tracks. It did for my former clients and their Dally litter. They wanted to show the kids the wonders of having a litter and the joys of life. They were prepared to potentially breed deaf pups and cash in on the "joy of life". They did it despite the warnings of what could happen to their bitch and the got a lesson in life alright. It seems your sense of right and wrong has become extremely warped if you're wishing ill on a dog. Never seem to occur to some bitch owners that when they breed their very young or very old, not health tested bitch to an inappropriate sire, they are bringing ill on their dog AND its pups AND on the families who take them on. It's all a matter of perspective from where I sit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirislin Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 I used to work with a bloke who had a labrador. He intended to let her have a litter just because she was a good dog. I asked what he'd do with the pups and he said he'd take them to the rspca! I hope your inlaws can be talked out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheridan Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 1353200315[/url]' post='6024838']1353197023[/url]' post='6024805']1353187403[/url]' post='6024687']Back yard breeders don't learn when things go right. When they go right and the bitch whelps and raises the litter under the house and they have very little to do with it, they sell the pups, make a profit and do it all again. When it smacks the bank balance hard and they require medical intervention that costs them a fortune, then they sit up and take notice. I can guarantee a c-section and the loss of puppies stops them in their tracks. It did for my former clients and their Dally litter. They wanted to show the kids the wonders of having a litter and the joys of life. They were prepared to potentially breed deaf pups and cash in on the "joy of life". They did it despite the warnings of what could happen to their bitch and the got a lesson in life alright. It seems your sense of right and wrong has become extremely warped if you're wishing ill on a dog. I wish a c-section on those poor puppy farm bitches too. I'd consider it a kinder option to be discarded early in life, even if it results in death, then to be bred and bred, until you can breed no more. If you saw a dog hit by a car, would you help it or ask for pedigree papers first? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bjelkier Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 (edited) To the OP, I'm not too sure there is much more you really can do. If these people don't want to listen they wont. My brother has decided that his BC (very possibly a x who the hell knows) bitch should have a litter 'because she's a nice girl" and he asked me what sort of dog he should find to make 'cute puppies' with her. When I refused to help him he went out and found a Lab x male....... I spent months trying to get him to desex his dogs but he refuses. I told him about the issues I had with my recent litter, the money, the c section due to uterine torsion, no sleep, helping the weaker puppies along, the destruction to my rental house when they ripped up carpet, my friends bitch who had a uterine rupture and she almost died (now she has no puppies, a bitch she can't show or breed again and a $7000 bill ) etc but he wont listen. I hope you have better luck with your family than I did with mine. Edited November 18, 2012 by Bjelkier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andisa Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 1353200315[/url]' post='6024838']1353197023[/url]' post='6024805']1353187403[/url]' post='6024687']Back yard breeders don't learn when things go right. When they go right and the bitch whelps and raises the litter under the house and they have very little to do with it, they sell the pups, make a profit and do it all again. When it smacks the bank balance hard and they require medical intervention that costs them a fortune, then they sit up and take notice. I can guarantee a c-section and the loss of puppies stops them in their tracks. It did for my former clients and their Dally litter. They wanted to show the kids the wonders of having a litter and the joys of life. They were prepared to potentially breed deaf pups and cash in on the "joy of life". They did it despite the warnings of what could happen to their bitch and the got a lesson in life alright. It seems your sense of right and wrong has become extremely warped if you're wishing ill on a dog. I wish a c-section on those poor puppy farm bitches too. I'd consider it a kinder option to be discarded early in life, even if it results in death, then to be bred and bred, until you can breed no more. If you saw a dog hit by a car, would you help it or ask for pedigree papers first? Hardly the same thing.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheridan Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 <br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Back yard breeders don't learn when things go right. When they go right and the bitch whelps and raises the litter under the house and they have very little to do with it, they sell the pups, make a profit and do it all again.<br /><br />When it smacks the bank balance hard and they require medical intervention that costs them a fortune, then they sit up and take notice. <br /><br />I can guarantee a c-section and the loss of puppies stops them in their tracks. It did for my former clients and their Dally litter. They wanted to show the kids the wonders of having a litter and the joys of life. They were prepared to potentially breed deaf pups and cash in on the "joy of life". They did it despite the warnings of what could happen to their bitch and the got a lesson in life alright.<br /><br /><br />It seems your sense of right and wrong has become extremely warped if you're wishing ill on a dog.<br /><br /><br />I wish a c-section on those poor puppy farm bitches too. I'd consider it a kinder option to be discarded early in life, even if it results in death, then to be bred and bred, until you can breed no more.<br /><br /><br />If you saw a dog hit by a car, would you help it or ask for pedigree papers first?<br /><br />Hardly the same thing.. <img src='http://www.dolforums.com.au/public/style_emoticons/default/confused.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /><br /> Pav Lova, from posts in News, seems to be one of the kill all the crossbreed ilk. I don't see the difference between wishing a dog to die a horrible death to teach its owners a lesson, whether that be giving birth or otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tralee Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 1353200315[/url]' post='6024838']1353197023[/url]' post='6024805']1353187403[/url]' post='6024687']Back yard breeders don't learn when things go right. When they go right and the bitch whelps and raises the litter under the house and they have very little to do with it, they sell the pups, make a profit and do it all again. When it smacks the bank balance hard and they require medical intervention that costs them a fortune, then they sit up and take notice. I can guarantee a c-section and the loss of puppies stops them in their tracks. It did for my former clients and their Dally litter. They wanted to show the kids the wonders of having a litter and the joys of life. They were prepared to potentially breed deaf pups and cash in on the "joy of life". They did it despite the warnings of what could happen to their bitch and the got a lesson in life alright. It seems your sense of right and wrong has become extremely warped if you're wishing ill on a dog. I wish a c-section on those poor puppy farm bitches too. I'd consider it a kinder option to be discarded early in life, even if it results in death, then to be bred and bred, until you can breed no more. If you saw a dog hit by a car, would you help it or ask for pedigree papers first? Hardly the same thing.. Of course its not the same thing, a point is being made. Whether the dog was pure-bred or not, I wouldn't want someone with those attiudes holding the leash for my dogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WreckitWhippet Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 1353200315[/url]' post='6024838']1353197023[/url]' post='6024805']1353187403[/url]' post='6024687']Back yard breeders don't learn when things go right. When they go right and the bitch whelps and raises the litter under the house and they have very little to do with it, they sell the pups, make a profit and do it all again. When it smacks the bank balance hard and they require medical intervention that costs them a fortune, then they sit up and take notice. I can guarantee a c-section and the loss of puppies stops them in their tracks. It did for my former clients and their Dally litter. They wanted to show the kids the wonders of having a litter and the joys of life. They were prepared to potentially breed deaf pups and cash in on the "joy of life". They did it despite the warnings of what could happen to their bitch and the got a lesson in life alright. It seems your sense of right and wrong has become extremely warped if you're wishing ill on a dog. I wish a c-section on those poor puppy farm bitches too. I'd consider it a kinder option to be discarded early in life, even if it results in death, then to be bred and bred, until you can breed no more. If you saw a dog hit by a car, would you help it or ask for pedigree papers first? I'm probably the person you'd hope would see and stop, given my skills in dog first aid and the assistance I could render. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salukifan Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 (edited) Pav Lova, from posts in News, seems to be one of the kill all the crossbreed ilk. I don't see the difference between wishing a dog to die a horrible death to teach its owners a lesson, whether that be giving birth or otherwise. Seems to me you equate an emergency c-section with "a horrible death". I think you've taken one large step beyond what Pav was saying. Given that PL was over her fence just recently in the early hours of the morning to assist a little crossbred pup who's idiot owner gave it access to large fishing hooks and then wanted to tear them out like you would on a fish, can I politely suggest you have absolutely no idea who you are talking about. And she rescues and rehomes Whippets without pedigree papers. *gasp* Edited November 18, 2012 by Haredown Whippets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheridan Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 <br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Back yard breeders don't learn when things go right. When they go right and the bitch whelps and raises the litter under the house and they have very little to do with it, they sell the pups, make a profit and do it all again.<br /><br />When it smacks the bank balance hard and they require medical intervention that costs them a fortune, then they sit up and take notice. <br /><br />I can guarantee a c-section and the loss of puppies stops them in their tracks. It did for my former clients and their Dally litter. They wanted to show the kids the wonders of having a litter and the joys of life. They were prepared to potentially breed deaf pups and cash in on the "joy of life". They did it despite the warnings of what could happen to their bitch and the got a lesson in life alright.<br /><br /><br />It seems your sense of right and wrong has become extremely warped if you're wishing ill on a dog.<br /><br /><br />I wish a c-section on those poor puppy farm bitches too. I'd consider it a kinder option to be discarded early in life, even if it results in death, then to be bred and bred, until you can breed no more.<br /><br /><br />If you saw a dog hit by a car, would you help it or ask for pedigree papers first?<br /><br /><br />I'm probably the person you'd hope would see and stop, given my skills in dog first aid and the assistance I could render.<br /> Hoped, yes, but given you're wishing a horrible death on a dog to teach its owners a lesson ... #shrug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheridan Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 <br /><br />Pav Lova, from posts in News, seems to be one of the kill all the crossbreed ilk. I don't see the difference between wishing a dog to die a horrible death to teach its owners a lesson, whether that be giving birth or otherwise.<br /><br /><br />Seems to me you equate an emergency c-section with "a horrible death". <br /><br />I think you've taken one large step beyond what Pav was saying. Given that PL was over her fence just recently in the early hours of the morning to assist a little crossbred pup who's idiot owner gave it access to large fishing hooks and then wanted to tear them out like you would on a fish, can I politely suggest you have absolutely no idea who you are talking about.<br /><br />And she rescues and rehomes Whippets without pedigree papers. *gasp*<br /> Yes, gasp. Yet her posts here and elsewhere leave me underwhelmed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mixeduppup Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 (edited) If done by a good vet, C sections rarely become horrible deaths to anything but your savings account and ideas of dog breeding. Edited November 18, 2012 by mixeduppup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandra777 Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 If done by a good vet, C sections rarely become horrible deaths to anything but your savings account and ideas of dog breeding. :laugh: :laugh: Well said :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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