Attack At Guilford

[Rozzie]

A woman and two police officers have been attacked by two dogs in incidents at Guildford West yesterday. About 5.35pm yesterday, (Friday 23 August 2013), a 43-year-old woman was walking along Robertson Road whilst pushing a pram with her two year old child.

Police have been told the woman was confronted by two dogs that were aggressively barking at her before they charged. The woman grabbed her child from the pram and the dogs attacked her, one biting her right leg.

Police from Holroyd Local Area Command attended soon after and the injured woman was treated at the scene by Ambulance Paramedics before she was conveyed to Westmead Hospital. Her child was unharmed.

Officers made patrols of surrounding streets and located two large dogs believed to be American Pitbulls. One officer attempted to catch one of the highly agitated and aggressive dogs and was bitten on the hand. A second officer was also bitten on the leg but was not injured.

The dogs were eventually herded into the yard of a home in Wisdom Street and secured. They continually barked and charged at police and neighbours.

Assisted by officers from the RSPCA, the dogs were tranquillised before one dog was taken to their shelter at Yagoona whilst the second was taken to a veterinary clinic for observation.

Police continue with their inquiries to determine how the animals escaped from a home in Wisdom Street where they were temporarily being cared for whilst Holroyd Council will conduct investigations into the incidents. The woman and one police officer were treated for their injuries and released.

Edited August 24, 2013 by Rozzie

[Santo66]

Officers made patrols of surrounding streets and located two large dogs believed to be American Pitbulls

Here is another one, the old Bully BYB again........the deed is getting done by the same type of dog from what I have seen a lot of is these Bully/Mastiff/Pitbull/Bulldog BYB morons are breeding for aggression in the first place to supply moron owners who want tough dogs. These type of dogs should never be bred IMHO.........no one needs a breed concoction of unstable temperaments which is exactly what these fools are breeding that reach the hands of foolish owners who can't handle and contain them properly for the level of aggression these breeding's have. They need to regulate the breeding of random concoctions and make the breeders of these dogs accountable along with the owners of them.

[JulesP]

It must be the media's fault. All the maulings by poodles & cavvies just aren't being reported!

[Angeluca]

Officers made patrols of surrounding streets and located two large dogs believed to be American Pitbulls

Here is another one, the old Bully BYB again........the deed is getting done by the same type of dog from what I have seen a lot of is these Bully/Mastiff/Pitbull/Bulldog BYB morons are breeding for aggression in the first place to supply moron owners who want tough dogs. These type of dogs should never be bred IMHO.........no one needs a breed concoction of unstable temperaments which is exactly what these fools are breeding that reach the hands of foolish owners who can't handle and contain them properly for the level of aggression these breeding's have. They need to regulate the breeding of random concoctions and make the breeders of these dogs accountable along with the owners of them.

For the most part I agree with you. But in an ideal world, The idea of cross breeding any dog without true purpose or reason would be outlawed.

To clarify I believe that there a very few reason out their that justify a cross breeding, Things like 2 purebred real perfect working dogs that they want to keep the traits from. Should go to a Volunteer panel. This panel would include governing bodies of the registry in which each dog is registered, (ANKC, Working registry), a Reproduction specialist Vet, a well regarded behaviorist. These would obviously hold known experience with the dogs in question and could actually assess the application. Others like a government rep and a rspca rep may demand a presence but those other dog world professionals would have majority say. A Cert given out so that the puppy owners know it was a warranted breeding.

For those who x breed to be fined minimum $3000- $10000 on the spot pending breed and litter size (the cost of an average C-section + raising of a litter for a rescue + desexing of mother)and seizure of litter and mother, Mother returned on de-sexing (which would be included in the fine).

The rescue to receive min 50% of fine to raise and re-home puppies.

(this would be drawn up eg, $4000 fine, $1500 to local council for seizure and de sexing of mother and $2500 to rescue for litter of 5 medium breed dogs)

for those who obtain a x bred puppy $1500 - $2500 on the spot fine pending on co-operation in reporting where they obtained the dog. with an return of $500 upon de-sexing cert and puppy pre-school completion cert. (paid to local council for registration and follow up)

This should be advised to residences by mail box drop,on registration form /renewal, website and TV/radio campaign to avoid the I didn't know Bullsh*t. And the allocation of the fine going directly to local council should cut out the funding bullsh*t.

Free registration to de-sexed dogs with a cert of completed 12mth Approved obedience course.

X bred to be determined by any dog not on a approved purebred registered body.

An approved registered body, all current bodies to go through an assessment as to how they register a dog how many generations of parentage, ethics, and so on.

And I like the Idea of the part of the QLD proposal of the Breeder and Bitch extensive details recorded in the compulsory micro-chipping with accurate breed recording. Or rescue details and Compulsory de-sexing at rescues.

In Dog attacks micro-chipped owner would be fine/jailed pended severity (just like if you sell a car with rego and it gets a speeding fine your responsible unless you provide a receipt and a transfer paper).

There would never be a dispute as to breed due to chip, And if it was a recent (with in 6 mths) rescue dog, the rescue would come under review as to why an unstable dog was re-homed.

Can't think of anything else right now lol.

[Dame Aussie]

Yeah well just because some people think cross breeds don't deserve to exist doesn't mean it will ever happen. Who gets to decide one dog is better than another? No one I think you'll find.

I really don't think the breeding is what needs to be focused on.

[tdierikx]

Genetics are only one part of the puzzle that makes a dog prone to acts of violence or not...

T.

[Salukifan]

Genetics are only one part of the puzzle that makes a dog prone to acts of violence or not...

T.

Agreed. But when breeding is undertaken by people who give no thought to combining powerful breeds with different trigger levels to aggression, different bite inhibitions and different attitudes to threat and sell them to people who fail to socialise, fail to train and fail to contain them, its no bloody wonder we end up with such incidents.

Crossing protective breeds with breeds with low triggers to aggression is downright foolish - the results cannot be predicted.

Add in all the other ingredients and the same story plays out over and over again.

Dont' even start me on what happens when you allow people to breed purebred dogs that display levels of aggression that are unacceptable within the breed standard.

Edited August 24, 2013 by Haredown Whippets

[Angeluca]

Yeah well just because some people think cross breeds don't deserve to exist doesn't mean it will ever happen. Who gets to decide one dog is better than another? No one I think you'll find.

I really don't think the breeding is what needs to be focused on.

It's not about the x bred dogs personally,but the way they are bred,It is very very rare that temperament is assessed before mating 2 different breeds, nor is any of the health testing.

Crossing crosses is how you end up with dogs like the bull arab being taken to be American pitbulls and How we end up with a unrecognizable style of dog attacking and a single BREED getting the blame.

I do not propose killing any crossbred dog, just make them subject to an assessment for compatibility and purpose and subject to health and temperament testing. If there is a good reason such as a outstanding assistance dogs, obedience masters, development of a breed or opening of a gene pool to a rare breed ect then Cross breed away,

But joe and mary down the road who have a staffy x mastiff and a ridgeback x great dane think is a great way to get a few hundred bucks cause there are a lot of pig hunters in the area. No those puppies shouldn't exist. And if they do joe and Mary should be fined and the puppies taken so that knowledgeable people could raise and assess them and give them to homes suitable to their personal needs.

Why should Good hobby breeders keep getting the blame for over flowing shelters when they breed a litter when they have done everything possible to provide a well adjusted dog to a selected home.

This would also subject puppy mills to a more select breeding program, health testing, and a accurate recording of each breeding by a vet at micro-chipping. (They wouldn't do it cause the profit and simplicity would diminish). So there would be fewer farms. Reducing unwanted dogs in shelters.

[melzawelza]

Terrible, and unacceptable.

It must be the media's fault. All the maulings by poodles & cavvies just aren't being reported!

The media didn't report the herding mix that hospitalized an elderly lady walking past it's property that I investigated recently.

[Angeluca]

Genetics are only one part of the puzzle that makes a dog prone to acts of violence or not...

T.

Very Very true but take 90% to 100% of genetics out by good judgement in breeding and traceable parentage and siblings and your left with an uninformed or idiot owner or a very sick dog.

Sickness is easy enough to test for in majority of cases.

besides current ideas are getting nowhere so why no start at the begining. Where are these dogs coming from?

Edited August 24, 2013 by Angeluca

[mixeduppup]

Terrible, and unacceptable.

It must be the media's fault. All the maulings by poodles & cavvies just aren't being reported!

The media didn't report the herding mix that hospitalized an elderly lady walking past it's property that I investigated recently.

Working at the local vet and pound I am aware of a lot of vicious and not so viscous attacks on people and animals by breeds that aren't bull breeds, but one staffyX bites someone walking their dog and it's all over the paper. Even people who i am close to and consider dog people are starting to be wary of bull breeds and they weren't before. It makes me so upset.

[german_shep_fan]

It must be the media's fault. All the maulings by poodles & cavvies just aren't being reported!

Unless its a bull breed the breed Id is often mysteriously left out. Doesn't mean smaller dogs attack any less. Duh they can't do the same damage but the media are biased when it comes to what they will report on and say...

[Angeluca]

I have taken My original Comment to the general forum as an opinion topic

and provided a link back to this threat for comments already made.

[tdierikx]

Genetics are only one part of the puzzle that makes a dog prone to acts of violence or not...

T.

Very Very true but take 90% to 100% of genetics out by good judgement in breeding and traceable parentage and siblings and your left with an uninformed or idiot owner or a very sick dog.

Sickness is easy enough to test for in majority of cases.

besides current ideas are getting nowhere so why no start at the begining. Where are these dogs coming from?

I beg to differ there... many (if not a larger proportion than not) mixed breed dogs are perfectly fine family pets and decent canine citizens - and healthy as well.

These attacks are by a minority of the BREEDS they represent in the community. However - the majority of dogs that HAVE attacked seem to be owned by a certain subset of the community... often reared with little socialisation, little stimulation, and absolutely no training whatsoever - is it any wonder that they are a menace when they get out into a public space?

A dog is not born "bad" because it's of a certain breed or breed mix... how it is reared also plays a huge part in whether it is more or less likely to be a menace or downright dangerous.

T.

[Angeluca]

Genetics are only one part of the puzzle that makes a dog prone to acts of violence or not...

T.

Very Very true but take 90% to 100% of genetics out by good judgement in breeding and traceable parentage and siblings and your left with an uninformed or idiot owner or a very sick dog.

Sickness is easy enough to test for in majority of cases.

besides current ideas are getting nowhere so why no start at the begining. Where are these dogs coming from?

I beg to differ there... many (if not a larger proportion than not) mixed breed dogs are perfectly fine family pets and decent canine citizens - and healthy as well.

These attacks are by a minority of the BREEDS they represent in the community. However - the majority of dogs that HAVE attacked seem to be owned by a certain subset of the community... often reared with little socialisation, little stimulation, and absolutely no training whatsoever - is it any wonder that they are a menace when they get out into a public space?

A dog is not born "bad" because it's of a certain breed or breed mix... how it is reared also plays a huge part in whether it is more or less likely to be a menace or downright dangerous.

T.

Do you mind if I copy your comment to the other thread as well?

My thought is the media/ community are blaming the dogs breed for the attacks eg (BSL) (banning of certain breeds on planes). Usually specifying one of many or a complete wrong identification of the breed. And people are having their dogs confiscated due to this even tho those specific dogs aren't a problem.

If a dog has attacked and whether it is crossed or pure it is traceable to a health and temperament test and all the siblings and parents aren't showing this sort of aggression due to a good home and training. Then the Breed itself can't be blamed only That dog and It's owners. Taking out the genetic component that has caused the hype and breed slander?

[Santo66]

Genetics are only one part of the puzzle that makes a dog prone to acts of violence or not...

T.

The genetics need to be there for training and environment to bring it out.......do you know how many GSD's fail attack training prerequisites in police and military programs?........about 30% of the breed are trainable and the other 70% lack the genetic structure for the job.......you can't make a courageous, attack dog out of a chicken shit like you can't make any dog chase old ladies and nail them no matter how much you chain them up and poke them with sticks, if they don't have the genetic defence drive or elevated aggression to challenge, they won't be chasing people down the street to maul them regardless of the training and environmental factors.

Yeah well just because some people think cross breeds don't deserve to exist doesn't mean it will ever happen. Who gets to decide one dog is better than another? No one I think you'll find.

I really don't think the breeding is what needs to be focused on.

What's the point of the crossbreed anyway when they are modelled off a pure breed but how do you reproduce a great crossbreed dog......it's hard enough for dedicated pure breed breeders to do that with an ancestry of previous dogs on tap.......most crossbreeds are the results of whoops litters and idiots doing random BYB's where the produce fills the rescues and pounds anyway......there needs to be control in dog breeding IMHO, what we have now is a free for all for people skilled in the knowledge that male + Female = puppies.

I guess speaking with a friend last night who's just imported semen from the USA at great cost and messing around in hope to improve a trait doesn't leave me overly excited at thinking a BYB cross breeder is the league to be breeding dogs sorry!!

Edited August 24, 2013 by Santo66

[Santo66]

Genetics are only one part of the puzzle that makes a dog prone to acts of violence or not...

T.

Very Very true but take 90% to 100% of genetics out by good judgement in breeding and traceable parentage and siblings and your left with an uninformed or idiot owner or a very sick dog.

Sickness is easy enough to test for in majority of cases.

besides current ideas are getting nowhere so why no start at the begining. Where are these dogs coming from?

I totally agree Angeluca......I believe your thoughts on the situation are correct

[mac'ella]

there seems to be a few cases where the dogs are being minded,so are probably in unsecure yards and once out are in unfamiliar surroundings,which might contribute to the behaviour

[Christina]

It must be the media's fault. All the maulings by poodles & cavvies just aren't being reported!

Fair comment :laugh:

Of course there is more to it than the breed. I don't know anyone who has been bitten by a bull type dog but know 4 who have been bitten by heelers

The dogs were shown on last night TV. The smaller one didn't look anything like an american pit bull to me. It looked like a staffie that could have been crossed with anything, even a corgie, kelpie or whatever, absolutely no idea.

Bull anything remotely looking causes the media & public to go overboard on breed guesses.

Irresponsible ownership was the main cause of this attack, probably irresponsible upbringing of the dogs played a big part too. Reared by someone else they may have been very good reliable dogs. Who honestly knows ?

Seems a certain type of person is attracted by a certain breed a lot, but not always.

Very frightening experience for the lady. She must have been terrified for her baby.

[tdierikx]

Genetics are only one part of the puzzle that makes a dog prone to acts of violence or not...

T.

The genetics need to be there for training and environment to bring it out.......do you know how many GSD's fail attack training prerequisites in police and military programs?........about 30% of the breed are trainable and the other 70% lack the genetic structure for the job.......you can't make a courageous, attack dog out of a chicken shit like you can't make any dog chase old ladies and nail them no matter how much you chain them up and poke them with sticks, if they don't have the genetic defence drive or elevated aggression to challenge, they won't be chasing people down the street to maul them regardless of the training and environmental factors.

Yeah well just because some people think cross breeds don't deserve to exist doesn't mean it will ever happen. Who gets to decide one dog is better than another? No one I think you'll find.

I really don't think the breeding is what needs to be focused on.

What's the point of the crossbreed anyway when they are modelled off a pure breed but how do you reproduce a great crossbreed dog......it's hard enough for dedicated pure breed breeders to do that with an ancestry of previous dogs on tap.......most crossbreeds are the results of whoops litters and idiots doing random BYB's where the produce fills the rescues and pounds anyway......there needs to be control in dog breeding IMHO, what we have now is a free for all for people skilled in the knowledge that male + Female = puppies.

I guess speaking with a friend last night who's just imported semen from the USA at great cost and messing around in hope to improve a trait doesn't leave me overly excited at thinking a BYB cross breeder is the league to be breeding dogs sorry!!

There is a place and room enough in our society for all types of dogs - pure OR crossed... even if YOU might not think so...

T.