Kirislin Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 I would like to if I had the stomach for hacking off a roo tail or leg and throwing it in the back of the car, but I'll admit to being a bit lily livered. I did once pick up a freshly killed bunny right out the front of my house and tossed it in the backyard. the whippets went berko for it and the next day did poos that looked like felt because they literally ate everything, head, skin & fur, ears, feet, the lot. Only afterwards it occurred to me that it might not have been the best idea due to potential parasites. I wormed them all and it did them no harm. I do think freezing would be the sensible precaution to take though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PossumCorner Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 ...a bit lily livered. ... I'm not. Nor a wimp. But the concept sickens me, maybe because I am totally over everyone driving too fast in wildlife corridors and not giving a damn. Hit kangaroos are a daily on our local roads. Drivers too lazy or self important to slow down, - jeeze how much effort does it take? I know sometimes there is no chance of missing one even at low speed, but they are the swallows that don't make a summer. So feeling this way about massacre of wildlife on the roads, no way do I feel comfortable about "profiting" from it. And I don't buy the argument that it is wasteful not to utilise the carcase. Too humancentric for words, the self-important bit again. Nothing wasteful about a carcase decomposing into compost, feeding micro-organisms and putting organic matter into the soil, which most of the land is starved of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fbaudry Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 ...a bit lily livered. ... I'm not. Nor a wimp. But the concept sickens me, maybe because I am totally over everyone driving too fast in wildlife corridors and not giving a damn. Hit kangaroos are a daily on our local roads. Drivers too lazy or self important to slow down, - jeeze how much effort does it take? I know sometimes there is no chance of missing one even at low speed, but they are the swallows that don't make a summer. So feeling this way about massacre of wildlife on the roads, no way do I feel comfortable about "profiting" from it. And I don't buy the argument that it is wasteful not to utilise the carcase. Too humancentric for words, the self-important bit again. Nothing wasteful about a carcase decomposing into compost, feeding micro-organisms and putting organic matter into the soil, which most of the land is starved of. This. Spot on and very eloquently put. I'd only stop to check for a joey in pouch still alive, and drag the carcass out of the way to avoid other animals feeding on carrion being hit themselves. Human selfishness and self centred view of the world never cease to disappoint... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willem Posted September 21, 2016 Author Share Posted September 21, 2016 (edited) ...a bit lily livered. ... I'm not. Nor a wimp. But the concept sickens me, maybe because I am totally over everyone driving too fast in wildlife corridors and not giving a damn. Hit kangaroos are a daily on our local roads. Drivers too lazy or self important to slow down, - jeeze how much effort does it take? I know sometimes there is no chance of missing one even at low speed, but they are the swallows that don't make a summer. So feeling this way about massacre of wildlife on the roads, no way do I feel comfortable about "profiting" from it. And I don't buy the argument that it is wasteful not to utilise the carcase. Too humancentric for words, the self-important bit again. Nothing wasteful about a carcase decomposing into compost, feeding micro-organisms and putting organic matter into the soil, which most of the land is starved of. This. Spot on and very eloquently put. I'd only stop to check for a joey in pouch still alive, and drag the carcass out of the way to avoid other animals feeding on carrion being hit themselves. Human selfishness and self centred view of the world never cease to disappoint... ...no, kibble doesn't grow on bushes or trees or ....a lot of roadkill ends actually in pet food anyway, however, then processed, steamed, cooked and boiled till there is not much of value left in it, and as this is not enough it is mixed with other crap...and then sold as qualify dog food and fed to your dog....of course the package doesn't say 'contains roadkill'...by-product sounds soooo much better. Every kg of roadkill fed straight and fresh to a dog is a kg meat/bones less that has to be produced commercially, hasn't to be shipped around the world, hasn't to be delivered by truck to the shops (thus decreasing the risk of generating more roadkill), doesn't need a shiny package or can (where cost of the packaging often exceeds the value of the content) and has therefore a distinct smaller environmental food print. ....it always amazes me how people can think that don't getting their hands dirty and buying all those products in a nice clean supermarket put them on a higher moral and ethical ground ...I can understand that it is not everyone's favourite thing to do cleaning out roadkill so it can be fed to a dog, but calling it a selfish thing to do?????....hm, maybe yes, because I'm so selfish that I want to have a healthy dog and don't want to spend my time (and money) with vets, and then having to buy all those drugs (that have to be tested on other dogs in labs before these nice and helpful pharma industries can throw it on the market)...I wonder whether those people on these higher moral grounds sometimes privily blame their dogs for what they are and that their dogs would prefer freshly killed prey anytime over this processed crap they force them to eat? ...watch out breeders, there is a growing market for a dog breed that comes without balls, uterus and is a herbivore instead of a carnivore...no doubt the mighty genetic engineering industry is already on to it to sanctify all these ethical dog lovers that blame their dogs for being a meat eater...I'm ok with it as I can't change it anyway, but once you succeed, please don't call it a dog. ETA:...ups,... I forgot to list 'with a distinct perfume smell (different fragrances of course) in the breeding standard... Edited September 21, 2016 by Willem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willem Posted September 21, 2016 Author Share Posted September 21, 2016 ...a bit lily livered. ... So feeling this way about massacre of wildlife on the roads, no way do I feel comfortable about "profiting" from it. ...I suggest that you stop buying any stuff in supermarkets or other shops that get their goods delivered in trucks if you don't want to profit on roadkill... ...how hypocritical... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fbaudry Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 ...a bit lily livered. ... So feeling this way about massacre of wildlife on the roads, no way do I feel comfortable about "profiting" from it. ...I suggest that you stop buying any stuff in supermarkets or other shops that get their goods delivered in trucks if you don't want to profit on roadkill... ...how hypocritical... You completely missed the point PossumCorner was making, yet again, just to try and push your own agenda. I'd be interested to find the "research" backing your claims that commercial pet foods contain roadkill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdierikx Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Getting personal isn't going to sway anyone to your point of view Willem... we've been here before, remember? Personally, I'd only feed roadkill if I managed to get a very fresh one, and then froze it for a good 2 months prior to feeding out... and I have pet foxes whose digestive systems are designed to eat manky things... *grin*... but they get nice fresh meat that I drive a fair distance to get especially for them... spoiled buggers they are! T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willem Posted September 21, 2016 Author Share Posted September 21, 2016 ...a bit lily livered. ... So feeling this way about massacre of wildlife on the roads, no way do I feel comfortable about "profiting" from it. ...I suggest that you stop buying any stuff in supermarkets or other shops that get their goods delivered in trucks if you don't want to profit on roadkill... ...how hypocritical... You completely missed the point PossumCorner was making, yet again, just to try and push your own agenda. I'd be interested to find the "research" backing your claims that commercial pet foods contain roadkill ...I missed the point ...of course... http://www.naturalnews.com/012647_pet_food_dog.html http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2012/04/11/pet-food-contains-poultry.aspx#!http://earthisland.org/journal/index.php/eij/article/whats_killing_our_pets/ http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2013/11/13/pet-food-industry.aspx http://www.preciouspets.org/articles/commercial-pet-food-truth.htmlMy link http://www.healthy-holistic-living.com/rendered-pet-food.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fbaudry Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 ...a bit lily livered. ... So feeling this way about massacre of wildlife on the roads, no way do I feel comfortable about "profiting" from it. ...I suggest that you stop buying any stuff in supermarkets or other shops that get their goods delivered in trucks if you don't want to profit on roadkill... ...how hypocritical... You completely missed the point PossumCorner was making, yet again, just to try and push your own agenda. I'd be interested to find the "research" backing your claims that commercial pet foods contain roadkill ...I missed the point ...of course... http://www.naturalnews.com/012647_pet_food_dog.html http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2012/04/11/pet-food-contains-poultry.aspx#!http://earthisland.org/journal/index.php/eij/article/whats_killing_our_pets/ http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2013/11/13/pet-food-industry.aspx http://www.preciouspets.org/articles/commercial-pet-food-truth.htmlMy link http://www.healthy-holistic-living.com/rendered-pet-food.html I suggest you read her post again slowly...... Nothing to do with Mercola and " healthy holistic living", or what we feed our dogs in general Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willem Posted September 21, 2016 Author Share Posted September 21, 2016 ...a bit lily livered. ... So feeling this way about massacre of wildlife on the roads, no way do I feel comfortable about "profiting" from it. ...I suggest that you stop buying any stuff in supermarkets or other shops that get their goods delivered in trucks if you don't want to profit on roadkill... ...how hypocritical... You completely missed the point PossumCorner was making, yet again, just to try and push your own agenda. I'd be interested to find the "research" backing your claims that commercial pet foods contain roadkill ...I missed the point ...of course... http://www.naturalnews.com/012647_pet_food_dog.html http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2012/04/11/pet-food-contains-poultry.aspx#!http://earthisland.org/journal/index.php/eij/article/whats_killing_our_pets/ http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2013/11/13/pet-food-industry.aspx http://www.preciouspets.org/articles/commercial-pet-food-truth.htmlMy link http://www.healthy-holistic-living.com/rendered-pet-food.html I suggest you read her post again slowly...... Nothing to do with Mercola and " healthy holistic living", or what we feed our dogs in general I suggest you read your last RFI again.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fbaudry Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Sorry what does RFI stand for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willem Posted September 21, 2016 Author Share Posted September 21, 2016 Request For Information.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fbaudry Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Ok, thanks.... The whole point of PC was about being humancentric, and thinking everything is there for us to take. Since you do not wish to reply to it, I'll leave it there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willem Posted September 21, 2016 Author Share Posted September 21, 2016 ...if you want it more 'scientific"....here a study about wet pet food (conversely to kibble): http://actavetscand.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13028-015-0097-z ...quote from the source: ....'However, there was detection at substantial levels of unspecified animal species in most products tested'...and the tests ruled out that these 'unspecified' animals have been cows, horses, pigs or chickens, because they only tested for this species... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fbaudry Posted September 21, 2016 Share Posted September 21, 2016 Nevermind.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willem Posted September 21, 2016 Author Share Posted September 21, 2016 (edited) Ok, thanks.... The whole point of PC was about being humancentric, and thinking everything is there for us to take. Since you do not wish to reply to it, I'll leave it there. ...I think I did...quote from my post: Every kg of roadkill fed straight and fresh to a dog is a kg meat/bones less that has to be produced commercially, hasn't to be shipped around the world, hasn't to be delivered by truck to the shops (thus decreasing the risk of generating more roadkill), doesn't need a shiny package or can (where cost of the packaging often exceeds the value of the content) and has therefore a distinct smaller environmental food print. ...I'm open to change my stand on this if someone comes with a reasonable argument I have overlooked.... ETA: wrt 'being humancentric': I believe that this is actually a very humancentric approach, and if we use the environmental footprint per weight unit of food as a benchmark I think such an approach is hard to beat.... Edited September 21, 2016 by Willem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willem Posted September 21, 2016 Author Share Posted September 21, 2016 ..more 'science': http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jpn.12045/abstract;jsessionid=7A847A5BC2A57FD7278615FD883D77E0.f02t01 I find it shocking that even high end diet kibble that cost you an arm and a leg can be contaminated...quote from the link: Failure to respond to commercial limited antigen diets can occur in dogs kept on a dietary trial for the diagnosis of adverse food reaction (AFR). The aim of this study was to assess twelve canine dry limited antigen diets (eleven novel protein diets and one hydrolysed diet) for potential contamination by ingredients of animal origin not mentioned on the label. The validity of the two methods adopted for the detection of such food antigens was also evaluated. Each dietary product was analysed by microscopy analysis using the official method described in Commission Regulation EC 152/2009 with the aim of identifying bone fragments of different zoological classes (mammalian, avian and fish) and by polymerase chain reaction (PCR) for the identification of DNA of animal origin. Discrepancies between the results obtained by PCR and/or microscopy analysis and the ingredients listed on pet food packages were found. Only in two pet foods did the results of both analyses match the ingredients listed on the label. In the remaining ten samples, microscopy detected bone fragments from one or two unpredicted zoological classes, revealing avian fragments in six of ten samples followed by those of fish in five of ten and mammalian fragments in four of ten. In two samples, microscopy analysis identified a contamination that would have otherwise passed unobserved if only PCR had been used. However, PCR confirmed the presence of all the zoological classes detected by microscopy and also identified the DNA of an additional unexpected zoological class in two samples. Dogs might fail to respond to commercial limited antigen diets because such diets are contaminated with potential allergens. Both PCR and microscopy analysis are required to guarantee the absence of undeclared animal sources in pet foods. Before ruling out AFR, a novel protein home-made diet should be considered if the dog is unresponsive to a commercial regimen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottsmum Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 It's my understanding that it is illegal to take any native animal from the wild without appropriate licensing. https://www.crikey.com.au/2013/07/15/legally-speaking-taxidermy-roadkill-artist-could-be-stuffed/ I'm on my phone & on my lunch break so struggling to find a more robust & appropriate link. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willem Posted September 22, 2016 Author Share Posted September 22, 2016 (edited) It's my understanding that it is illegal to take any native animal from the wild without appropriate licensing. https://www.crikey.com.au/2013/07/15/legally-speaking-taxidermy-roadkill-artist-could-be-stuffed/ I'm on my phone & on my lunch break so struggling to find a more robust & appropriate link. Sorry. ...that's according to the VIC Welfare Act that differs (?..I didn't followed up on the Vic once I found the one for NSW) from the NSW Welfare Act (TBC)...I think the problem is 'owning / keeping it' or even 'selling' it...hence the guy in the article is asked to destroy it. So even under Vic law I think I would be fine (or fined???) as I don't keep it, but 'destroy' it in an environmental friendly manner :D ... For the NSW Welfare Act I think I can 'satisfy the court', as requested under section 5c-i that the 'animal concerned was incapable of fending for itself in its natural habitat'... In some countries the roadkill is actually sold to pet food companies and meat processors, so it has a 'specified' value you would steal from the licenced collectors if you pick it up...but here in Australia we don't put processed roadkill in our Australian made dog food, don't we? :) ...at least I'm not aware of licenced collectors, so I assume I don't steal it from someone...saying this, it is one of the tasks of this thread to find out and to clarify... ETA:...there is also the hygienic aspect to be considered: if you start transforming your garage into an abattoir processing a big kangaroo every day...well, you will likely have some visitors from the H&S department soon....I assume a Wallaby - for your own dog(s) - every 1-3 month should be fine... Edited September 22, 2016 by Willem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JulesP Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 Blood oath I feed roadkill. I like mine real fresh though so I like to run the buggers over myself so I know I've got me a fresh one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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