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Minimum Breeding Ages For Bitches - Vic


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As published in the Feb 2011 gazette

Minimum Breeding Age for Bitches

(Effective or bitches mated after 1 May 2010) - surely they mean May 2011??

as per the 2010 AGM http://www.dolforums.com.au/index.php?show...=211475&hl=

12 Months

Affenpinscher

Airedale Terrier

Australian Cattle Dog

Australian Stumpy Tail Cattle Dog

Australian Silky Terrier

Bichon Frise

Border Terrier

Boston Terrier

British Bulldog

Bull Terrier

Bull Terrier [Miniature]

Chihuahua [all varieties]

Chinese Crested Dog

Cocker Spaniel

Collie [Rough and Smooth]

Dachshund [all varieties]

English Springer Spaniel

English Toy Terrier

French Bulldog

German Hunting Terrier

German Spitz [Klein]

German Spitz [Mittel]

Griffon Bruxellois

Havanese

Italian Greyhound

Jack Russell Terrier

Japanese Chin

Japanese Spitz

Labrador Retriever

Lhasa Apso

Lowchen

Maltese

Miniature Pinscher

Papillon

Pekingese

Pomeranian

Portugese Podengo

Pug

Schnauzer [all varieties]

Schipperke

Shih Tzu

Tenterfield Terrier

Tibetan Spaniel

Welsh Corgi [Cardigan and Pembroke]

West Highland White Terrier

Yorkshire Terrier

16 Months

Cavalier King Charles Spaniel

Finnish Lapphund

Golden Retriever

Shetland Sheepdog

18 Months

Afghan Hound

Akita Inu

Alaskan Malamute

American Staffordshire Terrier

Australian Kelpie

Australian Terrier

Basenji

Basset

Basset Fauve de Bretagne

Beagle

Bearded Collie

Bedlington Terrier

Belgian Shepherd Dog [all varieties]

Bergamasco Shepherd Dog

Bloodhound

Bluetick Coonhound

Border Collie

Borzoi

Bouvier des Flandres

Boxer

Bracco Italiano

Briard

Brittany

Bullmastiff

Cairn Terrier

Canaan Dog

Cesky Terrier

Chesapeake Bay Retriever

Chow Chow

Curly Coated Retriever

Dalmatian

Dandie Dinmont Terrier

Deerhound

Dobermann

Dogue De Bordeaux

Dutch Shepherd

Eurasier

Field Spaniel

Finnish Spitz

Flat Coated Retriever

Fox Terrier [smooth and Wire]

German Pinscher

German Shepherd Dog

German Shorthaired and Wirehaired

Pointer

Glen of Imaal

Gordon Setter

Grand Basset Griffon Vendeen

Greyhound

Hamiltonstovare

Harrier

Ibizan Hound

Irish Red & White Setter

Irish Setter

Irish Terrier

Irish Water Spaniel

Italian Corso

Italian Spinone

Keeshond

Kerry Blue Terrier

King Charles Spaniel

Lakeland Terrier

Lagotto Romagnolo

Large Munsterlander

Manchester Terrier

Neapolitan Mastiff

Norfolk Terrier

Norwegian Elkhound

Norwick Terrier

Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retriever

Old English Sheepdog Club

Otterhound

Parson Russell Terrier

Peruvian Hairless Dog

Petit Basset Griffon Vendeen

Pharaoh Hound

Polish Lowland Sheepdog

Pointer

Poodle [Miniatures and Toys]

Portuguese Water Dog

Puli

Pumi

Pyrenean Mastiff

Rhodesian Ridgeback

Saluki

Samoyed

Scottish Terrier

Sealyham Terrier

Shar Pei

Shiba Inu

Siberian Husky

Skye Terrier

Sloughi

Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier

Staffordshire Bull Terrier

St Bernard

Sussex Spaniel

Swedish Lapphund

Swedish Vallhund

White Swiss Shepherd Dog

Tibetan Terrier

Weimaraner

Weimaraner [Longhair]

Welsh Springer Spaniel

Welsh Terrier

Whippet

Xoloitzcuintle [Miniature]

20 Months

Australian Shepherd

Bernese Mountain Dog

Mastiff

22 Months

Rottweiler

Tibetan Mastiff

24 Months

Anatolian Shepherd Dog

Black Russian Terrier

Canadian Eskimo Dog

Central Asian Shepherd Dog

Clumber Spaniel

Cocker Spaniel [American]

English Setter

Foxhound

Great Dane

Hungarian Vizsla

Hungarian Wirehaired Vizsla

Irish Wolfhound

Kangal

Komondor

Kuvasz

Leonberger

Maremma Sheepdog

Newfoundland

Norwegian Buhund

Poodle [standard]

Pyrenean Mountain Dog

Spanish Mastiff

Xoloitzcuintle [intermediate and Standard]

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Wonder who thought up these rules? I bet they didn't bother to consult the repro specialist vets. Very odd that they are allowing different ages for breeds of similar size and allowing earlier matings for breeds much larger than some they have down for 24 months. An Akita is a much larger breed than a Visla and an Airdale is a much bigger breed than an American Cocker :rainbowbridge:

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With these ages, I know that Qld has been party to allowing a bitch(Bullmastiff) to be bred from under the minimum age for that particular breed.The puppies were registered on Main instead of limited. This was after the ruling came in with ANKC. And the ANKC were not prepared to go against what the CCCQ did. The CCCQ were not prepared to change what they had done.

So while these may be the minimum ages for breeding it can also be all smoke and mirrors.

And personally I believe the minimum age for Bulldogs should be 18 months not 12 months

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Some absolute minimum's are fine but a lot depends on how many seasons the bitch has had. I usually prefer 2-3 years for a first litter but had one girl on her 5th season at 22 months :laugh: ,so mated her then. They lose fertility with every season so if they come in early and cycle every four months, earlier is better than later, to avoid problems.

Also, while I don't agree with breeding very young bitches, the few in my breed I know of that have been accidently mated at 9-10 months, have all whelped and raised their litters with no problems whatsoever.

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We don't have a state breed club or national breed club and to my knowledge no breeder in Victoria in my breed was consulted about selecting an age suitable for mating. What annoys me as well as no consultation is that there is no mention of the males and ages. Many have no issues using them at a year, but personally I don't agree with it.

I am also curious about which date will apply..May past, or May future? This will probably impact my breeding plans as the bitch I plan on mating will be probably about three weeks earlier than her eighteen month birthday. I personally wouldn't even blink normally as it's close enough for me, but where will this actually leave me in the eyes of VCA? She will be hip/elbow tested and have had three seasons...

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We don't have a state breed club or national breed club and to my knowledge no breeder in Victoria in my breed was consulted about selecting an age suitable for mating. What annoys me as well as no consultation is that there is no mention of the males and ages. Many have no issues using them at a year, but personally I don't agree with it.

I am also curious about which date will apply..May past, or May future? This will probably impact my breeding plans as the bitch I plan on mating will be probably about three weeks earlier than her eighteen month birthday. I personally wouldn't even blink normally as it's close enough for me, but where will this actually leave me in the eyes of VCA? She will be hip/elbow tested and have had three seasons...

Why would you need a minimum for dogs? They don't have to carry and raise a litter. If they need to be hip/elbow scored they have to be old enough for that but many of the breeding problems these days stem from using males too late for the first time. The old breeders used to use males around 9-10 months for a first mating and had much more reliable studs as a result.

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Well Im sure the people who were in the clubs and voted on what they thought was best for their breeds are all happy

Its too bad that none of it makes any sense from a science perspective. Cant see any point actually any more in breeders needing to know jack about the science of the reproductive issues of the species.They can all be led like lemmings to do as they are told rather than need to know why or why not. Repo vets tell us the opposite but some where some how someone decided that a good breeder was one who interfered and tried to turn their dogs into humans and now its been voted on and like it or not whether its good for the dogs or not its a done deal.

Then we see Cavs can be mated at a younger age than beagles or Aussie terriers when world wide they are asking us to hold off on mating cavs.

Why can cavs be mated earlier than all of those others?

24 months for a Maremma ? Why? Im such a terrible breeder Ive been breeding them at 18 months for 16 years so where can I go to learn why what Ive been doing is wrong and why making my bitch wait for up to a year longer [ because of their cycles ] is better for her or her puppies?

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Does anyone know what is the MAXIMUM age a bitch can bred from?

From an ANKC ruleing.

BB

God, don't get them started on that as well. The maximum age should be decided on an individual basis by the breeder and their vet. 8 or 9 is common in my breed for a last litter and some even produce well at 10. These ages would be positively geriatric in many breeds and even in some bloodlines in our breed. If a bitch is fit and healthy, not showing her age and has not already raised large numbers of puppies or had a lot of litters, there is no problem with breeding her, no matter what her age.

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Personally, it doesn't really affect me as I've always waited till my bitches are around 2 before mating them. That's my personal choice, I want them to grow up first, However, the inconsistancies with all of this is just rediculous.

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  • 1 year later...

Sorry to drag up an old topic, but does this mean mated after 16mo or whelping after 16mo? And is it just for Vic or all states?

Just working out timing but hopefully a non issue anyway - she would have to come in very early for me to have to worry!

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And the back yard breeders can still breed what they like when they like and to whom they wish.

What a joke. :rofl:

Not just backyard breeders !!!

I have just found out that a girl we sold into an experienced show home in NSW has had a litter - she is from our H Litter they were 12 mths old on 11/09/12 - she whelped her litter on 14/11/12.

Even if this was a "mistake" (and I don't believe that for one second - these people have been in dogs forever) you just wouldn't let it go to term in a 12 mth old dobermann bitch.

:mad

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