WoofnHoof

Surveillance isn't going to solve the problem because there are a number of factors contributing to the problem. The nature of the job means that not a lot of people want to do it, the ones that do come from varying backgrounds with varying levels of education, and depending on the facility there is often no ongoing education particularly with respect to animal welfare. Add to that the fact that people (in general) want their cheap meat and prefer to think everything is just hunky dory at the abattoir, or just don't think about it at all. How many times do you hear people say "I don't have a problem with eating meat, as long as it's killed humanely." how many of those people truly know how difficult it is to quickly kill a large healthy animal humanely? No method is 100% effective all the time so depending on where your meat came from a certain percentage of the meat you eat was not killed humanely. I'm not a vegetarian, I wish I could be, maybe one day I will be but I'm just not there yet. In the meantime I try to support better welfare measures and more awareness of animal welfare issues because too many people just assume that everything is killed humanely because it's easier that way.

I don't think anyone is flaming the OP, more just offering up options of how it could be done if they want to think more about taking the dog with them. Not everyone has all the information about moving with dogs and how easy or otherwise it can be so it is worth putting the information out there. The OP has spoken to some people who regretted taking their dog OS but what happens if the OP gets overseas and learns that it's not as difficult as first thought and subsequently regrets rehoming their dog? There are also plenty of success stories of people taking their dogs with them so in case it is just a matter of not fully understanding the process then why not confirm if they are really sure about it? Either way there have been plenty of rehoming resources suggested also so it sounds like the OP has all the info to make a decision based on what they know of their situation and based on their knowledge of the dog as well (who looks like a lovely dog BTW) :)

Aside from the punctures though how do you get a broken nose from a bite? Bones generally break as a result of impact so I'm still inclined to believe the headbutt aspect, if the dog had its mouth open it's reasonable that teeth contacted skin but I'm not seeing how a simple bite can break a nose if it was a sustained and vicious attack you would think that the damage caused by the teeth would be more signifcant than just the few teeth marks that have been stated by the lawyer.

Seriously? There are lots of wrong ways to pick up a dog, by the leg, by the neck, under the sensitive flank area, all of which I've seen done (mostly kids of course but even some adults amazingly). I'm pretty sure my dog would object if I picked him up in a way which caused in pain, and the way he would show his objection would be growling and/or biting because there are very few other ways for him to communicate his feelings. I've noticed this a lot on DOL. People tend to think that problem dogs, hyper dogs, dog aggressive dogs, escapees etc etc all belong on a farm. I think there's more temptation to do wrong in rural areas than there are in the burbs. I don't think it's just DOL, I think it's a pretty wide spread idea that there is some magical farm where all problem dogs can go and live. There's no farm. What farmers want problems dogs any more than people in the suburbs do? Dogs with behaviourial issues need training. Not acreage. Funnily enough, I know of several people who's childhood dogs went to the magical farm. They later found out that the dog was PTS for one or several of those behavioural issues you mentioned. Clearly the parents didn't want to tell them the truth. I wonder how common that is??? I know quite a few people who tell their kids the dog 'went to live on a farm'. It's a little bit like the people with roaming cats who decided that the cat 'ran away' when in reality it probably didn't come home because it was hit by a car Still those mythical farms do exist, I used to live on a street that was semi-rural just on the edge of the city, not one dog owner on that street has ever paid for a dog they have all been dumpees, I was 'adopted' by a lovely young dally girl that was dumped on that road, unfortunately I couldn't keep her at the time but after advising the council of the lost dog and having her checked for a chip etc she was given to a relative of a friend and as far as I know is still doing well, she doesn't live on a farm though. As for the dog in question I've come across a lot of JRTs as they are popular with horse people and they are very very full on little dogs so it's not surprising this little fellow has gone a little feral without firm leadership, I hope the trainer can help the owner to turn him around.

Poor girl sounds like the anti-inflamms are doing the trick hopefully they wont cause too many effects because of the liver.

Good to hear he's feeling better :) My little chi had a pancreatitis attack a year or so ago he was very crook but bounced back ok. He normally doesn't react to foods so I was a bit suss when the vet said he probably ate something fatty because I knew he'd just eaten the same range of food he always gets. It's so hard when something goes wrong to try and nut it all out!

Awesome news!

Thanks yep I'm very proud of my boys they were both so good

Few more pics of the boys from Sunday on B's big day out :D Being a good boy tied to the float Getting bored Ponying off Louie who was being an absolute star and putting up with B ramming and bumping him as he was learning how it all works. These pics were taken with the iphone camera which I thought did a pretty good job

Gorgeous pics! I loled at the 'peanut gallery' Lol yep real horsemanship looks the same no matter what they call it hey ;)

Yep if my boy had had pre op bloods done (it wasn't offered at the time and I didn't know about it) it would have shown up the liver issue much earlier and saved him getting very very sick later on.

I googled after reading your post, Woof....& found this submission about equine dentistry from the AVA. Pretty recent, January 2011. Makes mention of how they see the use of power tools....as well as a general list of practices. Just adding, this is just general info....whatever is at the bottom of this vet's case, is a matter for the courts & will get revealed there. https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:rz5lqqoR00cJ:www.ava.com.au/sites/default/files/AVA_website/pdfs/Equine%2520Dentistry%2520AVA%2520submission%2520January%25202011%2520FINAL.pdf+Power+tools+equine+dentistry+Australian+Veterinary+Association&hl=en&gl=au&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESiLYyN0NAsQkq0DdGqvdicn0k2b6A8Lcv57__GYOnzbyXL69fVauDBJV2H-p8hM2DLLiy8_iXlksfNJFaWHIlpcp-8ld4SNHUiAumaLqL8Lsx3k14OhfeNkG3XLhcHabAvBeH3G&sig=AHIEtbTYoVXAFgwCBLT60qy_Be6zD4cZvA Thanks for that info Mita that's interesting

Thanks guys BC Crazy I think a DSLR would be wasted on me at the moment but I would like one later on Jules B has some very nice dressage breeding but Lou is a bit of a fluke he was bred to race but very ordinary racing lines I doubt he would have won any races lol. He's really well put together for jumping which is what he is best at It's never too late to get back into horses you know you can start small with the minis they are cheap and easy ;)

Thanks I've had him for I think 14 years now and I still think he's awesome :D Lol definetly not pro I'm very much a beginner I just take loads of shots and cherry pick the decent ones! I probably took about 300 pics over the two days to give you an idea, the digital age has been a godsend for me lol. I have a Nikon P500 it's not DSLR but it's pretty cool I have it on auto most of the time as I haven't gotten around to learning the nitty gritty technical aspects yet but yeah I'm lucky I have such photogenic subjects

The use of power tools in equine dentistry is a new thing which has caused problems recently so it wouldn't surprise me if they were involved.

Lol be nice if he'd go that nicely in a test for me too!

Lol he's a bit cute that one isn't he

Thanks guys Got some more pics this arv

Aww what a little sweetie! :D

Thanks guys Tiggy I was encouraged to hack him a number of times over the years and I did give a few of the ag shows a go but I tend to suck at presentation so we never really did very well. He always kicks butt in the working hunters though I'm hoping to find him a rider for the working hunter at Toowoomba as it clashes with B's dilute classes so I wont be able to take him in it.

Thanks Tiggy he's 19

Thanks tlc

Thanks Yep they had a great time! I was a bit worried the old bloke would give himself a heart attack hooning around but you can't keep an old eventer down :D