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Yes I'd use Impact if that's what you have. Even Yakult, although mind it's a low sugar variety. I love Impact though. :D Our last litter mum had no milk o start with and pups got limited colostrum. They never missed a beat with Impact added to their tube feeds. Then when milk arrived after a week we were flooded and she got mastitis! So ABs and yep, runny icky poos. So back on Impact and all good. Mum got Protexin during and after ABs. Some say don't bother giving them during as the ABs will kill the beneficial bacteria anyway, but my vet is adamant that Protexin be given during the course and we've had great results and fast recoveries.

Angeluca a great many purebred dog people cringe when a dog with too much coat enters the showring. Because sometimes yes, it does mean that dog lives a restricted lifestyle for the few years it is in the ring. And sometimes that seems obvious. But conversely some owners and exhibitors are very adept at wrapping coat and tying it up out of harms way so the dog can run about like a normal dog. So do we criticise skills in care and maintenance? Some judges will award it, and some are more astute. Maybe some of the huge immaculate coats are on dogs that don't have the same muscle tone as the slightly broken coated ones? Maybe some judges appreciate being able to see the dog's form, and consider adequate coat is adequate, without being huge. People and dogs are individual. Oh, and edit to add - it would be a very rare sighthound in general, Afghan or otherwise, that wouldn't take to hunting something small and furry almost instantly. Instincts run deeper than we can comprehend, and in many dogs, function is lying right under the surface of the obedient pet.

if the dogs were being hunted they wouldn't have so much coat, the brush would strip it out. It's because they are kept as pets/show dogs that they get the coats. This is my old afghan in pet/working coat. He had, and still has, relatives in the showring with huge coats. The rough and tumble of active life on rough ground tears the coat off. That's the point, better to tear the coat than the dog. :) Besides, the photos of Zardin and other Afghans from the early 1900s are completely different to the one in the video, which is the point.

How many breeds in Australia don't have clubs? You will want both figures or any talk of how many have health committees will be innaccurate. My breed for example is lucky to have three state breed clubs. But each is a handful of people, and some owners//breeders choose to to be members anyway.

I'm jumping outside to box and going to say Cattledog x. Disregard his colour and look at his features. Brindle can come from so many places, and is a dominant colour so will pop up even if the breed carrying it is way back in the anscestry. He's a cutie!

Why would NSW even need such a licensing system when the DPI already maintain an enforceable code of conduct for dog breeding. Chipping laws, Dogs NSW regs and animal welfare laws cover dogs being traceable already. If they're not, people aren't complying with the rules that are already in place. Are more rules going to help? I really like to think positively of animal welfare groups but to me this looks like a ploy to assist the growth of AWL, an increase in funding and staffing. This is how NPOs start looking like their aims are growth and power. Even if they are't, the perception is there. Not a good look. Dog breeders in NSW already have local Councils, DPI, RSPCA and Police if it comes to it, having monitoring and enforcement powers over what they do. Are we headed towards a "too many cooks" situation here?

And there is a Basset used later that looks like an aged and obese one. Being compared to an old photo of a hunting condition dog...

I use Protexin for older (weaning age) pups and adults. I use Impact for tiny pups.

There was a thread on this not long ago, I can try and find a link as you might like the discussion that was on it. But from my point of view this video is pretty subjective, and sometimes lacking in credibilty. Just based on the first pictures of the Afghans, it comes across as misinformed and incorrect. The sketch shown of the "afghan" is a drawing of a plains type of Afghan. Without going excessively into recent afghan history, there were two types when they became known in the west. The plains (Bell-Murray) and the mountain type. Modern show afghans are descended from the mountain type, and are little different today. The Bell-Murray type still exists as well. And mountain type Afghans were never bred to be suited to hunting in the desert. They are a mountain breed bred to hunt in extreme terrain and their coat and physical build reflects this. Zardin was the blueprint for the modern standards, pics from 1905: http://www.google.com.au/search?q=zardin&hl=en&client=safari&tbo=d&source=lnms&tbm=isch&ei=kJZeT7i8OaWViAfywsDxBw&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=2&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1024&bih=672 So what that tells me about this video, straight off the bat is that the maker of this video has searched for the most diverse photos possible, to prove their point. So objectivity is completely out the window, and much credibility goes with it. So although it's not a bad idea, it falls over which is a shame.

Sandgrubber I completely agree with you. But should such a petition in reality be instigated by our representative body - Dogs NSW? Does anyone else see that as a more practical approach? Than a petition from disgrunted breeders on their own that is. :)

Yes to the protexin. Or, as I used with my last litter when this happened to us, Impact Colostrum Supplement by Wombaroo. If you can tube feed give a little milk replacer mixed with the probiotic. If you don't know how to tube you can bottle it in, or make it thick like a paste and smear it onto tongues or just inside their mouths. Some of either product to the bitch as well may assist.

Beautiful babies! Congratulations on a lovely litter.

I think BIS was the Lhasa...

Jed the issue here was ectropian not entropian. But I think people have missed a point that haws don't mean ectropian. Ectropian exposes the inner surfaces of the lower eyelid, not the haw, or nictating membrane. I cannot reconcile how anyone can say exposed mucous membranes is a good thing for a dog bred to hunt through thick low cover like a Clumber, it would surely mean that tissue would be seriously exposed to every stick and leaf. I think it's pretty safe to assume that Crufts, seeing as they would be well aware of the high profile nature of this new process, have hired a suitable and qualified vet. I think we also need to pause for a moment and realise that this vet is also aware of the high profile nature of their work, and the high degree of scrutiny that will be placed upon their decisions from many quarters. Do folks here really think that this vet is not going to be completely and acutely aware of attention to detail? Would they be making these decisions if they absolutely couldn't justify them 100%?? Really, the exhibitors enter the show under the conditions imposed by the organisers. Everyone does this whenever they enter any competition. Sandgrubber, you need to get over your rants about Pekes. You have only proven that you can selectively produce pictures or text that you think proves your point, but have also shown little understanding of the beed in general and a tendency to ignore all historic reference, including photos, that doesn't support your view. You're not proving a point to anyone but yourself.

Another attempt to officially support those making more profit from their animals.

Can anyone clarify for me? As far as I understood, haw is the term gven to the third eyelid or nictating menbrane. Not the inside tissue of the lower eyelid. Is this correct? So if the standard calls for "some haw may be visible", does that mean the third eyelid may be visible as the lower lid is slightly loose (which also allows debris to come out of the eye easier I understand) and not the lower lid turned out or hanging leaving inner lid tissue exposed? Isn't a visible haw or slightly loose lower eyelid different to ectropion where the lid is visibly turned out?

oops, double post!

Dasha there's a thought!! And thanks Meea - they look much more practical size wise. Awesome. :)

Great ideas guys. :) Maybe I could get a Hannibal Lector box for him? I can't get a muzzle long enough to fit him, unless I modify the largest wire racing one, but he can't wear that overnight or unsupervised due to the injury risk of pulling it off. I'll have a look for the other spray. I've got Denatonium Benzoate: http://www.denatonium-benzoate.com/ which doesn't even slow him down for a second. Maybe he was born with no sense of taste?? At the moment I'm using a vitamin E cream with an antiseptic cream mixed in, gooped over the wound to keep it moist. If I can keep him away from it it's doing quite well. Last night I kept him off it and this morning it looked reassurringly good. But he has spent all day testing my poor OH's patience limits and thwarting every attempt. So it doesn't look quite as good tonight, any scab that was forming has been licked off. Grrrr!!

Thanks KK Team. The largest in the Novaguard is for head length of 24cm, and my boy is well over 30, about 35/36. Damn. It's a good one though! I think Borzoi are the most extreme doliocephalic breed there is so I shouldn't be surprised nothing is designed for such length! I've looked into greyhound muzzles too and the biggest is too short. I've been using the heavy adhesive but he pulls it off, or down, prise his nose through layers or chews a hole through it somewhere. Even a whole long roll wrapped around the leg and body will only last a short time. No chew deterrent sprays or applications have worked, no matter how foul. I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that he's a ratbag...

If he likes ripping things up old softtoys from op shops are another cheap one. Yes you will have stuffing everywherre, but it doesn't sound like you'll mind too much if he's occupied!! Old sheets from the op shop knotted up, even with treats or similar tied up inside so he has to work at them. You just need to mind he doesn't fill his digestive system with fabric. The head halter may help with his pulling so you can get him out and about. Another good anti-pulling halter that won't break the bank is an Infin8 one from Blackdog. Or a front attaching body harness sometimes works too.

Still no luck on this. The crib stop spray doesn't even deter him at all. Last night I tore up a whole sheet into strips, and swaddled his whole back end like a sumo nappy, over a large heavy adhesive dressing. It stayed on overnight. But after I changed it and re-applied it this morning he trashed the lot when alone for 10 minutes. Monster. So now he is crated inside, with a short lead clipped to the crate to stop him reaching his back end, and the EC on to stop him chewing the lead. The largest wound is the only one he's interested in. It is looking slightly larger than it was but I think that is due to the edges smoothing off as they start to heal, instead of the ragged hole that it was. Otherwise looking ok, nice healthy pink edges. It would just be nice if the rotten thing would close up. It's disconcerting having a hole in my dog!! But no doubt it will. Am trying to consider it like a horse wound. They always do a great job of hurting themselves and it looks horrific. But time and treatment work wonders.

One of my bitches got an open pyo after her second season. It has never been seen in her family lines before. She also had a heavy phantom with her first season, big saggy boobs, milk, the lot. It too has never been known in her lines. Before her third season she became a hormonal nightmare which culminated in her tearing off part of a fence and escaping. Which was one of the scariest times we've had with dogs. She wasn't being caught for anything - she was little different to a wild dog roaming the vast countryside and had to be cornered in a gully and crash tackled. She is normally the sweetest, sookiest, easiet to live with, cuddly lap dog about. Just relaying a story so some folks can get a grasp on just how difficult seasons can be to manage, even in easy going dogs. If I wasn't keeping a bitch for showing or breeding I would spey her. Not just for health reasons, but for the huge amount of peace of mind that it brings with regard to management.

That should read an "alleged" coffee van that produces brown liquid of some description... I know one half of the pair with the red van took off, but the remaining owner was still in operation later than this I think. Regardless of who is running the current vans though, the story above only goes to show that the exclusive rights are basd on cronyism and mates deals instead of fair trading and opportunity.

:rofl: I'll second that!