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I don't think there are any Komondorok in Australia, if there are they may be in the Adelaide area.

Did you try cross posting on Oz Show as well?

You will find too that a tube cannot go very far in if in the lungs. A stomach tube should go in a whole lot further. You can mark the tube after measuring it on the outside of the pup - it should reach to the end of the ribcage. I put the tube in warm (boiled) water to soften the end. I've never had a throat irritation, and have tube fed lots of pups, and countless wild animals, from birds to reptiles to mammals. It is low stress and effective, and great for tiny animals that are using up vital energy in suckling (or resisting in the case of wild ones!!) This is a great tube feeding puppies video:

It's bigger than that. A penalty unit is about $120. The maximum for this offence is 30 penalty units - $3600. Wizard1 I really hope you find your boy soon.

I too would be tube feeding them, if you're able. Ensuring a nice warm temp is also critical, even if you top up with a bottle/tube feed until you know they're full, then put them in a heated box away from mum for an hour or so. Sometimes that really solid sleep they get, being full and really warm, can be enough to boost their condition.Being with mum and other pups means mving and fidgetting and slightly flucuating temp, which can be added stress when they've had a difficult start. So sorry for your lost pups.

Gorgeous!! I just adore your photos!! :D

You could use a child dose epipen for a little dog. Adrenaline is the same, and if it could save them it's worth having in your handbag.

Chequeredblackdog if you're ever wondering about the existence of products like this, here is the National database of all approved veterinary chemicals in Australia that is easy to search: http://services.apvma.gov.au/PubcrisWebClient/welcome.do Some newer or smaller products are available under permit which can also be searched on the same site: http://www.apvma.gov.au/permits/search.php :) And to the folks saying there is no excuse for tick paralysis, even early detected ticks can cause serious and life threatening complications in some animals. Early detection does not always save an animal so criticising those who lose pets to ticks is pretty unnecessary and ignorant.

Hugs to you and Lily. I'm sure you'll know when she's wanting to go.

Didn't the OP say they lived in the same street?

If they're a little flexible on size, a Collie Smooth? Or otherwise, bigger but not taller - a Cardigan Corgi? efs

And just in case there's any extras that you might find helpful, we had a thread going at teh time about tip and tricks for large litters: http://www.dolforums.com.au/topic/223332-management-of-large-litters/page__p__5395959__hl__%2Blarge+%2Blitter__fromsearch__1#entry5395959

Our last litter of 12 we had in two shifts of six - we grouped them on size, put the biggest ones together and the smaller ones in the other group. I rotated them every two hours for the first two weeks. But we had milk supply issues and they were being supp. fed as well at the start. So every two hours, mum out to toilet, top up the six pups that had been with her with tube feeds, put them to bed nice and warm then bring in mum and put the other six on her. The serious downside was only getting about an hour sleep at a time, but they all thrived (and turned out beautifully!) so well worth it. I sleep next to the whelping box anyway for the first two weeks. She had retained placentas which was the cause of the slow arrival of milk but a slow release oxy shot did work and by day six they were off tube feeds. Was a very long first week though!! When they were just being fed by mum, the changeover was easy every two hours. edit to add - we kept ours divided up until about five weeks when we were starting to wean them. Mum found it stressful to have all of them at once, she seemed to have difficulty keeping track of them all and would get up and down trying to find and organise them. The risk of them getting crushed seemed much higher. We only had one squashed, and I was right there and resuscitated him. Phew!

Does she understand that low/no shedding normally means lots of grooming and/or clipping? I sometimes think folks think low or no shedding means easy care...

double post again! Blaming stoopid ipad.... :D

What spectators and even more so, newbies at dog shows need to realise, is that attending dogs can be subject to various stages of temperament development depending on their age. I once had a youngst quite fearful of other dogs at shows after a few experiences with several dogs. Not just dogs being cranky but dogs being overtly in-your-face friendly can be too much for some youngsters. So experience comes into it as well, not just owner's ability to socialise. So perhaps if dogs are being cranky or nervous we need to consider that they may have met persons or dogs in the past that could have influenced that behaviour and not be so quick to point out that the owner is obviously to blame. Young and desexed dogs can behave very, very differently to adult entire dogs as well.

I think people need to realise that humans are just that, and that showing is a hobby not a career and the outward professional veneer that's expected may not always be perfect. If having a completely crappy day people may not set out to be inadvertently rude to people, but when patience has been worn thin by other factors human nature can come to the fore and people can be narky or snappy. As a hypothetical - If I was at a show, had a crappy start to the day (I had a flat tyre coming home the other day - if it was in the morning I may well have been in a foul mood before I even arrived!). Then come up against a bad mannered opponent / official / judge / spectator etc or all the multitudes of things that can come up at short notice to wreck an otherwise nice day out - I might have far less tolerance for strangers. I might even sink to being an utter cow if the day was being crappy enough. Does that make the stranger in the wrong? No. Does it make all show people nutbags? No. Sometimes, like was mentioned at the start of the thread, we might need to shrug, think "Geez, she/he needs a Bex and a bit of a lie down" or "Sheesh, she just bit my head off, possible pms alert!!" etc etc and move on. Humans are just that after all, not perfect robots.

Did you google for it?? :laugh:

Thinking of you both.

Well done to all involved. Love the hanging out with the bunny and going swimming pics. :D

Love your reply Keshwar. :) My boy and I had a ball at the Sydney Royal this year. But I entered him as he is a people loving, attention nut. And we were lucky as we were judged early and the big crowds were coming through well after we were finished. We did a few laps around the pavillion, through the crowds to get to and from the exercise area which was on the opposite corner to us. The aisles inside the benching area being jammed full of trolleys with small dogs on top, crates and chairs, it was mostly easier to walk a big dog through the tight crowds. He loved being patted and hugged by kids, and when back at his bench was keen to get up frequently and meet and greet folks over the fence by standing up on the short people bench inside it. But he did have a few rest periods on his bench, and I found people respectful of that, they could see he was sleeping. But I also found that some of the other exhibitors in my breed were also doing lots of public interaction so there was normally a Borzoi at the fence for people to meet. Same at Ag shows, I've had lots of people come up and haven't been unfortunate enough to encounter too many pushy types. Mine tend to love pats even heading into the ring, and I normally have a brush in a pocket to quickly re-adjust hair. Folks love to pat the unusual and coated dogs. But yes, if I had a breed that needed specific styling - Bedlington, Poodle etc I'm pretty sure I would be much keener to ask people to wait until after judging. We had some spectators talking to our dogs the other day, and they later put a video of their day meeting different breeds up on youtube. It was lovely, so happy and enthusiastic - with them meeting and chatting to friendly exhibitors and lots of dogs. :D You don't get better PR for purebred dogs!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBHO2KwhdcE&feature=player_embedded

It's not no. But children are reknowned for being unpredictable. The best behaved kids can sometimes become distracted momentarily and that's all it takes for something bad to happen. It's not a bad thing for parents, especially of very young children to be concened about what could happen during those few minutes they are busy in the ring. We had one wander off once at a show, and that frantic couple of minutes running around searching and thinking all of the worst things is one of the worst feelings imaginable. He had been invited off to play with a group of older kids, and we found them on the side of the roadway running past the showground telling him how to play chicken as cars came past... Kids can disappear in seconds. You also have to take into account that not all people at dog shows are dog show people, they are public events and anyone may wander in and out, friendly or not so friendly... There is nothing by law stopping convicted sex offenders etc being in general public places. Call me paranoid, but have been there, seen that. Bad apples can crop up anywhere. So yes, it may not take a degree in childcare to get your kids to behave under normal circumstances at a show while you are busy for a few minutes. But history tells us that anything and everything can possibly happen, and I for one am all for kids being under direct supervision at all times when in public places. Sharing with other trusted dog show mates and/or parents is a great start.

double post...

And if it was a paid service any people involved would have to undertake working with children checks which is not free either. It is a lovely idea though. You do meet up with other people with kids as you go to shows though, and like SSM said, buddying or sharing the watch is a boon. My kids have unparalleled bad timing at shows, they ALWAYS need to go to the toilet at crucial times, like that start of breed / group / general specials judging. Even if they have just been... Sigh. But in saying that, they also learn and get better at going to shows. Mine like going to some shows, a full weekend is normally a big ask. But they like to see dog show friends, and hang out in their own tent space with toys or colouring in. But they have had a few years practice now and are getting older.

I had registered purebreds, undesexed, for quite a few years before becoming a registered breeder. Many people who show dogs aren't necessarily breeders. They will be members of their State body, but not holding a prefix.