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I'm afraid I'm not as polite as those who have already replied. This is a puppy and the owner neglected to watch his pup. He should rub his own nose in the mess and let that be a lesson to him to take his puppy outside more often and watch for the signs that pup needs to toilet. Puppies have no more control over their bladders than baby humans. Would he rub a baby's nose in it's soiled nappy? We owe it to our dogs to be fair to them. The treatment he dished out to this puppy was cruel and unfair. He shouldn't be at all surprised if the puppy is now fearful of him and in future might eliminate in places where the owner is unlikely to find it such as behind drapes, behind furniture etc., There is no place for cruelty to puppies in house training, it will set the pup back further and that will be the owners fault entirely.

This is something that can't be diagnosed over the internet. We can't see the dog and chances are we wouldn't know what it was even if we could. I would certainly take her to the vet.

I don't buy the pre made patties because I heard they contain grains and I don't feed grains to my dogs. I spoke with Dr Billinghurst many years ago when I first started feeding BARF and took his advice re supplements. Have also added a few of my own.

They can't fight over food if you keep them separated when they are eating their dinner or they have bones or pigs ears. As everyone has said....keep them apart when there's food around and they won't fight. You don't then need to worry about how you should react. The alternative is to keep doing things the way you are now until you have a huge fight on your hands, two injured dogs and a very expensive vet bill. You will probably then have an ongoing problem with them fighting.

My vote is for Joint Guard too. It's the best product I've found for dogs with joint problems...arthritis etc.,

I'm so sorry. What a beautiful girl taken far too young. Fly free Amy

I would certainly take her to the vet. I have always had spayed females and have never seen anything like this. Since she was spayed more than 5 years ago and this has been happening for 12 months it would indicate to me that something isn't right. Has this dog not seen the vet since you first noticed this?

I speak only of my experience, I wasn't advising others to follow my example. I thought that's what we were doing in this thread....just speaking of some strange things we did and having a laugh about it ;) .

If the hair follicles are dead and gone there is nothing to be done.

I have a feeling that my pups didn't consider the mess on the floor to be a 'valuable resource' since the presence of it availed them of nothing they wanted. I suspect they weren't aware they had a connection with it but they were pretty sure I wasn't happy with it. S'pose they wondered why. I heard about it years ago too Erny and I still see it written occasionally. I always ask why when I see someone say not to clean up in the presence of the dog but haven't yet had anyone who has explained why. Maybe it's a myth that's lingered beyond its due date and no one can remember why.

When I was doing this with the puddles or piles on the floor I didn't raise my voice at all....but then I don't raise my voice at my dogs either. All I did was wag my finger at the offending mess and tell it how naughty it was for being on the floor. My pup was usually standing back watching me tell the mess off. I doubt she felt connected to the problem as I never made eye contact with her. As I was cleaning it up and grumbling at it she watched all this and she was fairly sure I was pretty cross at the mess that shouldn't be there. I wonder why some folk say you should never let a dog see you clean up their mess, I never did find out the reason. Maybe Erny will explain it to me. The dogs see me doing poop pick ups twice a day in the yard and they don't seem to have suffered any psychological damage.

The trick is not catching her so you can take her home...after she's run across the road. So far she's evidently been lucky enough to avoid being hit by a car. The trick is for the owners to make sure the dog is safely contained and cannot run away. Perhaps in the best interest of the dog you might have a chat with the owners.

That is one game I definitely would never play with my dogs. You need to train this dog. Take her to the front door on lead and give a firm correction each time she tries to go through the door when you open it. Do you have the option of baby gating her access to the door by gating off the area that leads to the door until you can correct the behaviour? Otherwise confine her to a part of the house where she has no access to the front door. You are playing a very dangerous game of chicken with this dog. There is a very high risk she will be hit by a car. I find it hard to believe you would consider leaving her out to roam the district whilst you were at work??? You might never see your dog again. If she is lucky she would be picked up by the ranger and taken to the pound and you will have the pleasure of paying a well deserved fine for allowing your dog to be at large. If she isn't lucky enough that the ranger gets her she'll probably be run over or stolen.

Spanner it might be worth considering Sentinel Spectrum. It's a once a month tablet that prevents fleas from breeding, does all intestinal worms including tape worm and also heartworm. www.Pricelesspets is a good place to buy from, they are cheaper there than at most other online stores.....The vets charge far too much so I never buy from them.

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No that's not the object of the exercise at all. The pup knows the chair is in trouble but puppy is a good girl and not in any trouble at all. I honestly don't know how it would work with a chair being left where it originally was but a distinction must be made that the offending substance (in my case) was in the wrong place and was very naughty. Pup on the other hand was a good girl. I didn't go overboard with raising my voice or do anything that would make the pup afraid or think it was connected to whatever was being chastised.

I don't know if it would work in that situation because a chair is a chair, whether or not it's a damaged chair would not be obvious to the dogs. However I have used that technique in house training. If I found a puddle or pile on the floor some time after the deposit had been made I would tell the offending substance off as I cleaned it up. The pup would watch me wagging my finger at the mess and telling it how naughty it (the mess) was for being on my floor. I made no connection between the mess and the pup such as 'look what you did' but she was certainly aware that the mess was in trouble. I do not chastise pups for accidents inside the house, I make no comment at all unless I catch them about to go into action. When that happens I say 'outside' and quickly take pup out. I'm very aware any accident they have is my fault for not watching my dog and not taking her outside often enough or when she gave signals. The difference between that and the chair is that the chair would remain where it has always been whereas the mess would be removed from the area where it wasn't supposed to be. Maybe it's a nutso technique but I thought it was worth a try.

Check with the breeder of your puppy.

22 months old in fact

You might like to consider a better quality canned food such as Nature's Gift.

Good post Erny. We don't know enough to be of much help. I agree with you also on the training pad issue.....useless IMO. All it does is teaches the pup that toileting inside the house is acceptable. One thing I would like to add though is that putting the pup outside doesn't teach it much at all. You need to take the pup outside and stay with it until it obliges...then you praise like mad. It's our job to teach the pup.

If it smells off it probably is off. I'd throw it out. With vegies, you need to blend them into a pulp in blender or juicer, otherwise they're not digested by the dog. Raw blended vegies are better than cooked vegies.

And this advice goes just as well for yourself doesn't it alanglen (who is a vet). I don't care if people do their own research and buy another brand of food to that I feed (I'm neither a vet, pet supplies store owner or food company rep - just a breeder owner who's done their own research). I will give my opinion on foods based on that research when it's asked for. And my research showed that Nutrience, Eagle Pack and Nutro were the top brands by ingredients when I checked but I believe Nutro has changed hands since so needs re-evaluation. Royal Canin would be in the next bracket and Purina ProPlan is a good middle range (price) option. Hills and Advance are WAY down the list. I totally agree with Molasseslass in her choice of food brands, though I haven't fed Nutro. I neither ask for nor accept diet advice from a vet or vet nurse. I ask the people whose dogs look to be in stunning condition and I research ingredients of dry dog food. Vets and vet nurses tend to push the food they stock. Their education doesn't include much information about diet apart from a presentation by a rep from a pet food company who or course will advise the food they sell is the best. This to me doesn't qualify vets or vet nurses to give diet advice apart from giving information to the people who feed their dogs inadequate rubbish such as cheap home brand food. Nutrience certainly is a premium food, the ingredient list will prove it. I choose to feed Eagle Pack for their breakfast and BARF for their dinner. I don't mix dry and raw foods together due to the digestion rate of each being different. My vet used to suggest I feed only a dry food of the brand he stocked. Interestingly he now stocks a different breed. He was not really in favour of me feeding BARF but over the years has now come to recognise it is an excellent diet. I had my Cavalier at the vets yesterday for a hearing test. On giving her a full health examination he mentioned that she was in excellent condition and going by her good teeth he assumed she was fed BARF.

Morgan: And the owners of pure bred dogs purchased from registered breeders who have dogs on the limited register and didn't change the ownership reg, where would that leave them? The owners of cross bred dogs? Where does it leave them? Dogcop: good for you

Does anyone know if all the pet insurance companies insist on yearly vaccinations now that we have a regime of 3 yearly vaccinations available to us? Anyone who is insured and doesn't wish to vaccinate annually might need to look into this.