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I'm going to jump in to this! I have been nagging at my club and finally they are having a meeting about starting Rally O training and we have someone coming over to show us the ropes (the closest club is over an hour each way otherwise, to far to commit to going to ontop of normal clubs!) 1. start the dogs in Rally training 2. work on teaching Blue to retrieve (see other thread!) 3. continue with groundwork basics with Vala, working more on focus 4. return to agility training when funds allow 5. practise regularly for May when Blue and I have our first obedience show classes!

Just sharing a bingo event that happened tonight. I have a mini schnauzer called Blue who can be a sensitive dog when being trained and easily shut down if she isn't sure about things. She isn't a toy motivated dog either. For the last year i have been trying to teach her a retrieve. A forced retrieve was suggested, placing the bell in her mouth and praising but she wasn't happy with this at all. I left it awhile and decided to start with other things, maybe she'd pick up a tube with treats in? No What about a sock with treats in? No Finally came to a circular bandage with a dish stick inside, just poking out a little? Yes, she would engage a little in this! Last week at club, with a lot of movement, I finally got her to pick it up I have also recently started to teach my young giant schnauzer to retrieve, so tonight I got out the big dumbell for her and sat in my chair with it - Blue decided to push in, so I held the big bell out and without hesitation she gently took hold of it :thumbsup: much praise and a few more goes, just to check it wasn't a fluke and I think she has started to get the idea of it! Sharing as it just goes to show that a few rethinks and you can finally get there!

Also tried what Nek said but the choker isn't felt by her, so we have changed to a head collar.

she will tug but her aim if she does engage (and it soon stops as other stuff is more interesting - nosey dog remember!), anyway, if she does engage she always gets hold of me and the tug so me screaming ouch doesn't help! Other times when it is straight play, then she will get hold of just the tug. She can work with known distractions eg other dogs and people around club and last week was working and concentrating while dumbells were being thrown around but it is when we are in new places or places with lots of change eg walking through the village or town center

I'm having a similar problem with my 11 month old, (although she never went to a puppy class where there is free for all play, there is a little of on lead saying hellos which she wasn't that interested in doing). My girl has the attention span on an ADHD butterfly atm - games, food, clicker work, nothing is as interesting for her as anything else that is going on eg a dirty mark on the floor, a dust mote floating past, people who might say hello so she can jump up - basically the whole world is all terribly exciting for her and she wants to experience it all. In familiar places with familiar people and dogs she can do some nice work and concentrate, but each time we go somewhere new or something changes then this sets her right back to the start again. I am hoping when she has her first season it will help her head to mature a bit!

interesting they are so popular in Aus (the trolleys) the popular set up here is to have separate trolly base, crates and table or table top - i;ve seen to many people struggle to push the trolleys over rough ground and they are next to impossible in muddy conditions to move.

So long as you don;t all start complaining about the English Yorkshire Terrier or the English Airedale Terrier

Is he like this in every car or just this Ute? Sometimes it can be something vehicle specific that can cause upset - eg there is a tiny hole that makes a noise that upsets him but only happens after a certain speed - or something else about the ute that comes into play at speed. If covering him over didn;t help, then it would suggest it isn't a visual thing upsetting him.

That's what I assumed. I can't see them making it available at the supermarket if it ever did come about. No, but those who want to use something like this for nefarious means will still get hold of it somehow.

Eg: is a black tri - a black tricolour - or black, copper and white markings? Is a blue merle =- blue merle or blue merle with copper and white markings? just to add to this - I would think a black tri is the same as saying black, copper and white but a blue merle may or may not have copper markings, so the marking should be added if they have them? Not colours we have in my breed, but that is what makes sense to me - although we all known kennel clubs have their own ideas of what makes sense! :laugh:

This is again the opinion of one judge on the day - don't think it means that the dog is a very poor specimen of the breed - it is that dog on the day & that judge. I've had one dog almost refused a class at the Melb Royal because in the judges opinion that dog lacked bone. Yes, he is an elegant dog and the dogs that went up that day were more of Rotty type. But that same dog went onto win BOB & PIG under Int Judge at Sunbury that same year (with a breed entry of 35+ dogs) and won multiple BOB's under Breed Specialists - & multiple class in All Breeds & Specialty shows(& was never refused a challenge). If he'd been non-awarded multiple times then you have to question obviously, I would love to have the critique system it would really show how much or how little the judges know of your breed standard. get yourself a copy of the Uk dog papers and you will see just how generic lots of judges make their write ups - occasionally you will get the odd comment about where a dog isn't do good but there are generally from FCI judges, over here we seem to be to polite to say more then nice head, nice angles and moved well - nothing to help you guess at what breed you are reading a critique for!

Nice boy, I am seriously thinking of adding one of these to my life in the future. I went to see them at Leeds show last July and there are some stunning GPs in the UK rings now.

I'm surprised the food in the OP (sorry to get back to topic!) has wheat gluten in it when it is a known cause of skin problems for some dogs and yet this is being sold as a food for skin problems??

That's a spaniel I am guessing, with those long ears and docked tail

a schnuggle of schnauzers

they are a pet trimmer, not a pro one, so that might be why none here can help with this. have you asked the store you got it from?

That's what I mean! Did you find he learned things faster or was just more focused? Helps that Magic is an only child, so more can be done with her from a very early age

Steve could you please find a source for that as I am not sure that is true. I would think that certain things like KC approval would be needed first to bring in a new dog that wasn't registered and various other processes needing to be followed. You will find that the UK Kennel Club's newest pure breed of dog, the 'Turkish Kangal' has colour as its priority. (English Kangal breeders are not au fait with basic colour genetics I guess) UK Anatolian Breed Standard UK Kangal Breed Standard The UK Kennel Club will also re-register some black masked Anatolians as UK Kangals Isn;t that more because they can't decide how to split the breed into these 2 types? I'm not sure on the how and why, it has been quite awhile since i read anything about them and can;t remember if it was you in another thread or the dog papers here. It's not like someone said I'm going to start breeding the becks hound and they must be solid black, my foundation dogs can only be black as this will define the breed, they can only be black from now on...

Cali I have a 14 year old giant schnauzer who is just the same, easy to get over excited about work, now she is old and retired she is generally settled but will still get excited if doing a retrieve! :laugh: mentally, thought I had mentioned that in OP? I tend to think boys are generally slow and a bit dim anyway :laugh:

That's like saying poodle breeders need to be controlled as they haven't got the sense not to mate 2 partis (if indeed that would cause a problem) when there are breeds out there that allow merle and parti colours within their own breeds and leave it up to the breeders to know what to do with them. It was said earlier, that some decisions were made in an era when they didn;t have the knowledge - so if we now know better about a colour not being a problem, then why not include it within the ranks of a breed? When we were getting the white minis accepted, it was amazing how many breeders thought that by whites getting into the breed (haha they are already in the lines from the begining!) that they would suddenly all start getting parti colour pups! :laugh: I wonder how many breeds actually had colour as a priority from the start of their development, or whether it was something that just got bias too later on? (sometimes with good reason if health or work ability became an issue, but sometimes for what??)

Pure white BCs should be avoided at all cost as they are most likely deaf I see they also have a few more litters at the same time, including bordoodles!!!

any idea why we didn't include the other colours?

It is interesting to look at the historical colours of breeds. eg the affenpinscher was used in the development of the mini schnauzer - a dog today we think of as only being black - but look back at the time they were being used to develop the minis and we see yellow dogs (possibly where the white minis came from) and there are black and tan dogs (where the black/silver came from??) http://affenpinscher.com/Early%20Affen%20History.html In the stud book of the PK, volume II, 1903-1907 we find registered for the first time the Affenpinscher as a separate breed. This volume has 14 entries; six Affenpinschers out of Munich, three out of Saxons, three out of the Rhineland, one out of Holland and one out of the Alsace. The colors of these first Affenpinschers are: 4 yellow, 3 red yellow, 2 black, 2 black and gray stitched (or patterned?), 1 black gray, 1 gray brown, and 1 without the color stated. Volume IV, 1911 to 1913, showed with 44 entries of an essential upswing of the Affenpinscher breeding. That in this volume of those registered would describe "Peter v. d. Steinburg", 1772, Z.: Plank, Munich, and "Poldi v. d. Steinburg", 2460, Z.: A. Stauber, Munich, as well as "Puppi Mercedes" 1655, Z.: Mixed honestly these gave the breeding locations a strong resilience. At the top, again Munich with eighteen entries, of which most of the black are noted. Württemberg-Baden follows with eleven, Saxons with nine, Berlin with two, Hesse with two, Rhineland with an entry. The color challenge remains very far off. Red yellow were thirteen, black eleven, seven black with gray, four were red also, in addition, a gray, salt & pepper, yellow, silver-gray, dark gray, and a. m. (an unknown color) By 1923 the color scale shows now 84 black (about 40%), red, reddish brown and similar colors 62, black brown 27, black with gray stitched 14, pfslz, (salt and pepper/black and silver) 11, gray 5 and without statements 5. These colours apparently still crop up sometimes today. Interestingly the short nose and underbite comes from the brussel griffon (which it had helped to develop earlier) when the BG was used after WW1 to increase the genepool of the affens. So funny they can include a change in the face shape (they looked more like mini schnauzers with shorter faces) but the black is still the only desired colour. I can;t find any reference to why that colour is the desired one.

Same thing happened with the white Cairns or West Highland White Terriers as they are now known!

rare coloured boston terriers http://www.boston-terriers.com/offcolored.htm