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Its a hard one , theres 5 sides to the story ,, Rescue dogs are fine , , i've had 3 from the pound including my current dog , all have been great dogs . However if you want a specific type of dog because it suits your needs or you just like the look of them , well expect to pay more from a breeder . Now once that is established breeders , spend copiious amounts of money we all know that and are entitled to a return and maybee even a profit ,, we all know that has well its not rocket scence , Now how much should you pay ,, for me if i want a dog for showing which is going to be good enough for the crufts dog show , i would expect to pay BIG MONEY , and then expect the dog to be on mains regitrar , with the papers and pedigree to back it up , and after i / it the dog won the crufts show , i would expect to get some money back from its pups , But if i bought a dog from jack up the road who just likes great danes , owns two , puts them together and then tells me he's a responsible breeder , and thats why his pups are 6 grand each , well sorry jack unless you give me mains registrar , i'm not giving you 6 grand,, i would also want a good pedigree , and too see that jacks two dogs are a good example of the breed ,,, Now Jack can get has shirty has he likes but for me , its simple ,, breeders of good dogs especielly show dogs are proud of what they have acheived and whaen asking big money are proud there offsprings are producing champion dogs , when the purposly do not want you to show or breed there dogs , that just says closed shop ,, go on bugger off i don't want you breeding and selling pups to cheap , because at the moment i can get 5 grand a pup with no or little money spent and big returns and i don't want competition , Now they will call you a BYB and defend themselves all day long but the facts are most of them are BYB , like i said quality dogs will reflect the price , and if i want a dog to show or breed from , then i will expect to pay big money but for a pet , nope not me i'd certainly look for a rescue dog . But the price of dogs being very high , its really just a case of supply and demand , In days gone by you wanted a German Shepard or a rotty , if you wanted a pedigree champion you went to an established quality breeder if you did'nt well there was always the trading post you could go buy one from , because Jack and Jill had two shepards that had pups ,, thats no longer there or not much , so you have to go too a registered breeder ,, who polices the rules by refusing to sell on mains registrar and insisting you get the pup desexed ,,, But bear in mind they are dog breeders no police ,, now bear in mind in SA , its illigal to buy a dog from a breeder and not desex it UNLESS you become a registred breeder yourself ,, so the laws are there there is no need for breeders in SA to give themselves a badge and police the law ,, the only reason for insisting on ltd registra is simple ,, CUT OUT COMPETITION .. But like i said if Joe Blo spends thousans and thousands , producing award winning show dogs he can expect a return on his money thats fair ,,, If his neighbor Bill spends thousands importing working German Shepard lines to be bred for security , don't expect these dogs too be cheap , you will get what you pay for ,, the problem is'nt with these people its with the others that just register with the appropriate assoc , call themselves reptable breeders and really just offer poor sub standard dogs for ridiculous prices , and to defend them,selve quote the figures that the good breeders spend

Wow .... I think you know the answer , you.ve got a loaded gun there all ready to fire , its just going to need the right circumstances and it will be Whoops , sorry your honor , i did'nt really think he would tear the calf muscle of a tradie , or Sorry Sam , i knew i should of got rid of him ,,,, You know what to do you don't really need anyone on here to tell you ,,,, With saying all that i blame the rescue group , the fact that they had to watch you and the dog for so long means they KNEW that dog was'nt suitable for rehoming , not everyone is Ceasr Milan ,, and a dog that bites especielly one that bites through fear or pain is a potentially dangerous weapon ,, If you paid for him i would be asking for my monbey back , they took advantage of your good nature

I have had dogs from the rspca , over the years , and they have been good dogs , but that was 25 plus years ago , my current dog is from the rspca , i ahd been looking for a dog preferably a rescue dog , for a while and noticed how few there were , I quickly relized they were not keeping dogs for long most of the local shelter kennels were used for boarding , and only seemed to keep a few , just enough to be the rspca and get the grants ,, I came across my little fella the first day he came in , in fact i was there when they brought him to his kennel for the first time and put in public , i straight away went to the office and said i'll have him ,, only to be told he had a hold on him , one of the girls working there wanted him , fair enough , but i insisted they put my name down has a second , 5 days later i was back again looking for a pet , still only the same 5-6 dogs in , plus him , speaking to another volunteer about him she told me the other girl decided she did'nt want him , i went to the office and reminded them i was the second hold , , next day i got a call to come and get him ,, But guess what ,, i was told because he was such a cutie and they would have no trouble selling him the normal standard fee of $350 at that time did'nt apply , i would have to pay an extra $150 dollars ,, I payed it , but it left a sour taste , it was'nt about the dog going to a good home it was about money . I can gaurantee you if you go to my local shelter , you will only find 5-6 scared little cross breeds , at the back of the kennel , who i'm convinced are only there to meet requirements for grants ,, ,

Its simple really DO NOT TRUST AN ANIMAL 100% ,I've never been without a dog my whole life , just never been a time in my life when a dog was'nt there , I took in a blue heeler 18 months old he was / is a fantastic dog , he was brought up by a single mother with a child and a baby , she had to find a home so i took him , what a great dog he turned out to be , so much so that when my son went looking for a dog and he had two todllers i insisted they take him , i knew he was a great familly dog , 7 years later they still have him , his best mate is my youngest grandaughter he follows her everywhere she's 18 month old , she sleeps he snuggles up and sleeps with her , she eats , he paitently waits for her too share her food with him ,, but guess what we still do not totally trust him , he's a animal a dog so you always have to watch ,, my little maltese cross , is the most gentle dog in the world , but i don't trust him around real small kids , he gets excited around them and will play a bit rougher than he will with adults ,, love them , look after them , but never ever completly trust them , Just remember they are dogs not humans , and just like humans , they can snap ,, ,,, example , 30 odd years ago i had two boxers ,mother and son , i got from the pound , well trained , great freindly dogs , everyone loved them , but one time out with me they were both on the leash in a busy street , and for no reason at all both at excatly the same time , took off across the road , they darted that quick and fast , they just pulled out of my hand , run across a busy road , nearly getting run over , and baled up some bloke , out of dozens of shoppers it waas this one guy , they baled him up growling at him i run across got there leads apolagised and just did'nt have a clue why , they chose this fella , but choose him they did , never ever before or after had they shown any agresion whats so ever , but it just went to show , there animals and you always have to watch closely no matter how good they are .

Prices are scanadlous freind of mine this week paid $7000 yes you read it correct $7000 for a poodle cross lab or a labradoodle has he chose to call it , Dont care what anyone says its a mongrel its not a registered breed , you can't tell me that this breeder yes breeder is what she called herself was'nt in it for the money only , for my two penth worth if there a good breeder they would'nt be mixing breeds they would be breeding pure bred puppies , he was crazy ,, said he wanted a big dog , a black dog , that does'nt shed too much ,, why oh why did'nt he just go get a giant shnauzer or something ,,, Good thing is i do know of one guy who was selling mastiff pups , started of at 5 grand went down and down until he was stuck with the parents and 3 massive 9 month old pups , which he gave away he could'nt afford to keep them a freind who took one had it put down because at just over 12 month old it killed a neigbors dog , then killed another on the beach , he knew someone else who took one and they had it put down after it bit there kid , yeh proper responsible breeding going on out there And i say good thing because they never managed to make all the money they thought they would

Well done , sounds like you have it covered ,, I was going to say get rid , wrong dog and breed , try and get a more gentle dog , but youv'e put the work in and now will reap the rewards , i like jack russles myself never had one but like them anyway ,,, personaly i've always had big dogs shepards , rottys and theve always known who's boss , and excatly where they are in the pecking order , , which is a must with big strong dogs , , I now own what i said i would never own , a maltese shitz cross i think ,, or he could be a full blood Lhaps Apso , he resembles them so much , ,,, had him 5 years now , rescue dog 18 months old , he was and is excatly the opposite of what i've been used to for years ,, This dog sits on my lap and literally sucks my thumb , he's so gentle and freindly i nicknamed him the sook ... A dog like him would of suited you , but looks like you have it under control well done

Had a Shepard for 18 years , beutiful long haired shepard , who shed a shopping bag of hair a day and drove my wife mad ,, around the house , but i've had a lot of dogs over the years we have never been without one , and for me the best dogs i've ever had were the rottweilers ,,, they just seemed to be a bit aloof with people and other dogs , which makes them easy to control ,, another great dog i had was a stumpy tail blue healer ,, fantastic dog , but he was to energetic for me , i wanted to walk him he wanted to jog , sort of thing , so i gave him too my son who would go jogging with him every night and he still has him , he's the best familly dog with the kids you can find . End result suited to aussie climate , easy to handle i say a heeler or a rotty , ,,,,

Had a Rottweiler that was like him , so much so that i was beginning to think the Breeder had conned me , , he looked like a energetic boxers build , skinny , like yours he was active i'd had 2 other Rottys and they were no where near the energy level this one had , he started prancing around from morning to night non stop ,,, But has he got older , he developed into a strong sturdy good looking dog , in fact everyone commented on him , no fat just out and out muscle and very toned with it ,, Worm your dog , don't give him has much rice , he looks good , my vet would say perfect

Couple of years old probably resolved by now , but my take on this after owning rotties , sheperds and other big dogs ,is simple this owner bought a breed that are big bold and can be agrresive and simply just cannot control it , how it acts in the house proves this put simplyy they just shoulld,nt own this sort of dog

Lol,,, The rottys died years ago i certainly never blamed any of the dogs, i blamed my wife , i think her nervousness when out on her own the dogs could sence it and got protective, she was always very nervous especielly after the female attacked another dog , when its owner stopped for a chat , it did get to the stage where i stopped the wife walking the dogs in the street on her own ,and instructed her only to take them to the dog beach and immidietly unleash them , just walk and let them follow and play with other dogs , both the rottys would generally ignore other dogs and just casually follow , but were trained to come back when called off leash there was never a problem , only on leash when walking in the street and only with the wife never with me

Just wondering how you did with the dog , was it fixed , Made me wonder if it was you not the dog ,, reason i say that is in the past i've always had big dogs , 2 boxers who were so obeidient i did'nt even need a leash , then a massive sheperd , who was good with or without the leash ,, then we had rottweilers , one a male , the later one a female , each and eveyone of these dogs were great on and off lead , they were all gentle giants ,, but when the wife took the rottys for a walk , they were different , epseielly the female rotty , she was such a loving gentle dog , we found out after she died , even the neighbors kids used to jump the fence to play with her when we were out . But when out with the wife , she would get very protective , one day a guy stopped to talk to the wife , and she attacked his dog when it came in for a pat of the wife , EVERY other time she was gentle with dogs cats and people , just changed when the wife took her out on leash , I always told the wife they could sence her being nervous , and stopped her walking the dogs

Don't know if you got a dog yet , But for mr the ideal dog for you would be a blue heeler , fit the match superbly , except they do shed a lot , we have a maltese cross , great companion , but is a bit needy and a bit too much of a suck , although getting better , actually chooses to sleep in its bed now rather than wanting to get on ours ,, well to be honest we have been told it could be a Lhapps Apso , which would be the reason ours is a great watchdog , a suck but he barks only when theres someone there never yaps ,rest of the time just wants to sit with you or on your lap , loves excercise though , , If the heeler is too big , go an Aussie Terrier , great personalities , hardy and tough , not prone to too many health problems , not to yappy ,, But the heeler would be my choice ,, Got one at 12 months old , but gave him to my son and grandkids , after they looked after him for 6 weeks he fretted for them , that much , we did'nt have the heart to seperate him from my son and the grandkids ,, best dog i've ever seen

I think a lot depends on the dog , I owned a long haired german shepard , which was the BIGEST and i mean BIGGEST shepards you have ever seen , it was like a small lion , But yet i seen that dog run grab a bird , when i seen it and told it to drop , the bird flew off , only for Sam to lunge and grab it again in mid air , i said drop and he did the bird , (sparrow ) flew off . Supose we have been lucky , my 2 year old used to ride him , he grew up with my youngest , and lived till he was 16 , the dog used to lie down while he sat on his back and then get up and walk , Next 2 dogs were rottys which were just has gentle , non of them were good watch dogs , they would'nt bat a eyelid when people came to the door . Next dog was a stumpy , we got has a give away 6 months ago , i only took him to save him from the pound or being put down , I found its an absolutly great dog , but unfortunatly needs more excersise than i'm willing to give , the dog made me relize , i'm not has young has i was , it does'nt need to be took for a walk it needs to jog , So lucky enough my youngest lad has took him , and he now has a bigger back yard , and 2 youg girls to play with , he loves it , when my lad used to mind him , for a weekend he would go off his food when brought back , Its important you get the right dog , i loved that little stumpy , and if he was older and less active he would be perfect , or even if i was still working where i could take him on building sites , in the ute it would be perfect , but i'm retired so its not happenning , It all depends on what dogs you like big or small or medium , . For me its back to the drawing board , but i still tend to think the rottys are a good choice if your not over active , they do tend to be a couch potato and prefer to walk than run , they will chase the ball , but are quite willing to watch tv .

I think your going to be happy with any dog , sounds like you will be a good owner , In a previous post i recomended a stumpy tail cattle dog , but unless your going to be home with it , i'm not too sure i'm finding mine likes to be with people all the time and is getting a bit destructive if left alone for too long . So going back to the draweing board , i would reccomend a Rottie , that is based on the fact after owning 2 for a total of 16 years they are a good dog and do not mind being on there own during the day ,, at least mine did'nt ,

I've had 2 shepards ,, 2 boxers 2 rottys , 1 staffy over the last 40 years or so ,, the rottys were my favorite , because they were the best behaved , shepard used to go other dogs , but if they nipped him he would run away , which was good , the staffy was great but too freindly , if he seen someone a mile away he would be gone and wanting to play , boxers were both terrific dogs but they were scrappers , which made it hard to take them for walks seen another dog they wanted to fight , The royttys were great , noble alert and aloof , , the Aloof part being the best because they did'nt bother with other dogs or people , freindly enough , but also very good housedogs , and i would'nt of trusted any of them not to have a go at a stranger coming on the property , being a country farm situation not ideal . But now , 6 months ago a young girl wanting to rehouse her dog she could'nt keep , could;nt find a home for it , she was in tears when i seen her because she was going to have to put him down , so i felt sorry for her , and said i would take him , , he was a 12 months old Aussie stumpy tail . I kid you not , he's the best dog i've ever had , intellegent , i walk him mostly in a dog park and don't need a lead , great with the grandkids , good watch dog , will not leave my or my wifes side , excellent with other dogs , the dog ticks every single box , perhaps a little bit active for me but he loves the back of the ute so comes every where with me . I have a dilima now , my son wants him , and being so good with the grandkids , 5 and 7 year old girls , i'm tempted to let him take him , reason being is were not has active has my sons familly and he has a big back yard , When my son watches him for us , the dog has a ball running around the big yard and playing with the girls , , its funny has to see him on the trampoline , with or without the girls . He sleeps with the youngest one , and rests his head next to hers , when she is put to bed he gets up and goes with her . For me its a dilima , I walk him and take him everywhere , but i don't jog with him what he wants and likes , in a country type situation , i could'nt think of a better dog , and i believe from what i've been told , he is just typical for that breed ,