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Yes the puppies began dying in the 80's and the company concerned told me that the puppies that die are just cleansing the breed of the weak lines. found far less reactions using Canvac and no I never use any but c3 for that very reason

my vet told me over 15 years ago annual vaccinations are not necessary yes they sure can be at risk, one of mine had his immune system collapse after his second puppy vaccination, to the extent his body couldn't even deal with his own skin microflora, had to be given low dose Ivermec for the rest of his life or he would lose his hair and skin go intense red and itchy otherwise. otherewise known as Demodectic mange

yes, still laughing. but hey, dont assume they won't down the track, we aren't governed by sanity anymore are we

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that would have been terrible. Knowing quite a few boxers from friends, theirs are the ever Peter Pan puppies, never grow up, well mentally anyway. mine actually should never have been serious. like your boy my dog was innocent, in his case of having any health issues, the serious part was not even his own vet was believed, just stole him and when the inspectors first assumption of mange (mind you he had NO symptoms of mange, no bare or thickened skin, just short coat along the top of his tail and back) when the tests for scarptopic and demadectic mange were clear, still kept him and tested him for 13 days to find something, anything chargable. so glad they didn't take him and was honest enough to at least say no its not him and left. If he hadn't, you have no avenue of appeal except through the courts and that can take years and every penny you can scrape up. The really bad part is now its law they can euthanise the dog on the gounds that to be locked up for so long will cause suffering, (in victoria the CEO has publicly stated their present facilities are unsuitable for long term stay, (they are a fraction of the size of the kennels the Border Collies were taken from in S.A, and then locked in equally tiny and dark kennels for over 4 months?) while the court process grinds through now. that is all I have ever asked be implemented, despite the attacks of hating them, mentally unstable etc. We are so lucky our law makers have not decided yet to declare the human race legally sentient.

think the real danger is now this has been legislated it is not just dogs "who never go for walks and spend their lives on chains" that will be seized and the owner charged. whatever made you think "the RSPCA says they can not do anything about it because it is legal" have you read the thread about the ten border collies taken in S.A. ? the had the textbook, big, yards, excellent condition and grooming. Dogs and yards, Clean as a pin. But the rspca took them anyway, because they didn't come when called by the inspector, who decided they were "mentally traumatised" 9 of the ten either already had a litter or were pregnant, one was a male I understand. The rspca had them for months, raised and sold the puppies, aside from one litter they euthanised because at two weeks they decided the puppies were "not sufficiently socialised"? I know a number of breeders were puzzled by that as at that age their eyes are just opening and that is when a breeder begins to do what? Socalise the puppies, they dont come to you, you go to them, let them sniff and get used to your scent and they begin to play with you. but, they obviously know more than anyone else. So many breeds are "suspicious of strangers" many have it even written in the breed standard! But now if your dog will not go to, or interact with an rspca inspector in a friendly way your sentient does not have that right to decide no. the sentient being can now be legally classified as "suffering mental trauma" even sadder, now grounds for euthanising it. Because it is suffering and cannot be safely retrained or rehomed. After the puppies were sold they applied for a court order to euthanise all ten and were granted , they then also asked for a court order to seize and eutheranise all the owners other dogs on the grounds they too were mentally traumatised... they lost out on that because unknown to them, the owner had realised the danger the other dogs were in and by all the press and media released by the rescue groups. they were given to rescues who successfully rehomed all the dogs the court had passed the seize and euthanasia application. far as I know the law you put up is the first, dont know of it being law in S.A. yet they dogs were taken because they were "mentally suffering" sure sounds like the sentinent card being played.

do not intend to. they can look at them if want to on the link and if they say its euthanasia then why should I not quote them? They are the experts remember. They are the ones our politicians are asking how to draft legislation. seems the badge makes all the difference. Perhaps instead of hiring slaughter people at abbotiors they should be hiring special constables and then not only RSPCA approved but also euthanised . the demonstrators wouldn't have a leg to stand on then and no more shut downs surely? none of the animals shot were aged or sick, nor intended to be eaten. as for the drugs they only look a peaceful end because among the mix is the key ingredient that does the peaceful look.. totally paralyses all the muscles so no tremors to be seen. leave that out, they are dead just as swiftly my vet assured me. but he was short that one ingredient that day. the difference was heartbreaking for me no matter how much he assured me she really was dead and no longer suffering. she twitched and her body struggled to breathe for what seemed like forever, still have nighmares.. its all in the presentation He assured me continually, she never suffered and was gone.

on another note. interesting read ankc site this morning It's okay, he's friendly 23 April · The fall of the dog. During the Victorian era, the notion of dogs as household pets emerged. They became synonymous with family life. In the last few decades, they were burdened with the task of being a mini human trapped inside a dog's body. As such, effective tools are now viewed as cruel. Pretty much everything is cruel to dogs currently. Unless you're plying them with food, affection, toys and entertainment, they're probably abused. Slip lead? Cruel. Prong collars? Cruel. Ecollar? Cruel. Physical correction with hand? Cruel. Bonker? Cruel. Spatial pressure? Cruel. Expecting dog to obey and conform? Cruel. I know thousands of dog owners online who are all struggling with one or more of these: reactivity, aggression, stubborn behaviour, excitement, humping, resource guarding, livestock worrying, stealing food, pulling and dragging owner on walk, digging holes, barking, escaping, nipping, fence fighting, anxiety, fear, nervousness, over excitement etc. They're usually very far from achieving resolution. I believe they will mostly never find solutions. Because the solutions they're given need lots and lots and lots of time, energy and effort. If you're employed, raising children, not in excellent health, do anything but train dogs for a living... you're not going to resolve many serious behaviour issues with one hour of training a day. Thankfully the tranquillisers, anti depressants, CBD oil and pheromone collars might subdue the dog artificially. Ultimately though, these dogs will typically be chaotic and hard to handle outdoors. The dog used to be viewed as vermin, or useful for real life problem solving eg pest control, guarding, helping to hunt, pull carts or track scents. Slowly slowly, his status altered to domestic pet. He often lived outdoors, was chained, or lived indoors without being humanised to the level of toddler. Now, of course, as we approach the height of this destructive thinking, we see that all forms of correction are all bad. I just read some drivel in psychologytoday that tried to pass off a sham piece of student research as a genuine work. The work of an undergraduate en route to acquiring a masters degree at a low ranked 'university'. The funny little dissertation research was scaffolded by the academic comedy of Victoria Stilwell, Jean Donaldson, studies from 1908 involving... mice, and plenty of very old studies from psychology journals. Despite using heavy bias and deceit, the conclusion was paraded like the Emperor's New Clothes: Hear ye hear ye! The guardians of the dog hereby herald that saying NO to a dog or indicating error to a dog when training a new behaviour is bad. It renders the dog unable to perform anywhere near the ability of a dog who's ONLY given praise and reward. So yes, saying NO is also cruel. Everything is cyclical in life. Nothing ever lasts. Sanity vanished and left in its place emotional hysteria and academic fraud. But the dog who is a predator, continues to struggle to understand why he's so useless, frustrated, bored, misunderstood and having to lead his owner minute by minute. Leading his owner on walks, initiating interaction, having to defend his belongings and space from his owner and others and generally take charge. It's a lot for a baby or toddler in dog fur to cope with. The fur babies are therefore becoming more and more erratic. Their fur moms are even more upset. Emotion layered over emotion. Dog attacks in the UK have increased despite BSL. How many sheep attacks have you read about just this year alone? How many harrowing reports of children being savaged by fur babies have you read about? Heard about fur babies attacking lots of other fur babies too? Heard about the off lead fur babies constantly harassing leashed fur babies? The dog is slowly but surely returning to his much earlier status of vermin. He will once again be the scary, unpredictable and avoided figure he used to be. Don't believe me? Visit all the dog reactivity, enrichment, training, appreciation and fan groups. The same stories over and over again. Thousands and thousands of worn out owners who can't understand why fur baby Rover is so unreasonable. Owners who are returning or rehoming their fur babies. Owners who are having them killed. Owners who live with several fur babies all living in separate rooms. Owners whose fur babies are aggressive to their human babies. The dog was elevated to the status of fur human and is en route back to his old status as that animal you avoided. L W Sorry. I think it’s BS. I trained the Old way with a correction chain and I was very good at it. My dogs received lots of obedience titles and they looked pretty miserable doing it. I changed to clicker training and raised my dogs the same, no force, just trust and respect and clear expectations and boundaries. And guess what. My clicker trained dogs are just as obedient, have more titles and love what they do. Good trainers/owners have good dogs. Poor owners and trainers have poorly behaved dogs. Same goes for kids. You don’t need to be abusive to have trust and respect and don’t blame the methods or tools. I’m sure these people who had poorly behaved dogs existed, there was no Facebook forums for them to be on. Hell we had a dog when I grew up as a kid that bit both my siblings and the neighbor. But nobody cared back them and that’s just what dogs did.

you have missed a bit, when the rspca shot Ruth downeys cattle, they "euthanised" them. when the rspca chap shot the 175 Murry Grey cattle he "euthanised" them. When they shoot them they still say they "euthanised" them. It does not necessarily mean a dose of green dream as so many assume. so when the abattoir stuns and kills the animals there, they too were "euthanised" its just the sanitary word for killing them. Yet we constantly hear how cruel the knackery is for shooting the horses and cattle they "euthanise" in exactly the same manner and the two rspca inspectors "euthanised" ruths and the murray gray studs cattle? The big difference being, Knackery's kill them in a crate with one shot to the head, that is law..... many of Ruths were gut shot first as they ran through a 12 foot gate and finished off with up to 2 more shots..(try it some time, its incredibly hard to do a single to the head shot as they run through a gate).. If you did that you would be charged, because its illegal to do so. If you did that its not called "euthanised" it is called aggravated cruelty? cant figure how to down load the photo. but page 25 is him standing at the gate shooting them, the black cow is going down after he fired. oops "euthanised" her...... just scroll to the page... dont read the story. too upsetting. The writer couldn't keep himself to just the facts. so very over emotional writing. https://cairnsnews.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/the-ruth-downey-inquisition-1.pdf page 26 is taken of him "finishing her off" ooops............ I mean "euthanising" her for the second time. So lucky cows aren't sentient isn't she?

Interesting radio interview http://www.faithfulradio.com/_Media/brain-edward-telephone.mp3?fbclid=IwAR10kK52fjNWIgDkz0h3TH2E0YOeh0FizBmzZnTHKLYNviW14w0ctwkXTks Please share this interview with the #animalwelfarecommunity Here the written account of everything with evidence & exhibitions added. If you have any questions about all presented feel free to ask as we've nothing to hide but have plenty to state that addressing & fixing. Hopefully this should open some ears & eye's to help this along. Remarkable, usually the media dont want to know............... in any way or form.... yet this lady interviewer seems to know of many more instances and said she she going to air more?

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interesting post on ANKC Registered (Dog) Breeders Australia. if you want to look up all of it. on facebook Close Timeline Photos Options Send in Messenger Like CommentShare Protect The Harvest Like This Page · 17 May · In case you missed it...Animal Rights Groups – Who They Really Are National Animal Rights Conference The 2018 Animal Rights Conference was held the weekend of June 28th – July 1st in Los Angeles, California. The event brought together animal rights extremists, vegans, and vegetarians from all walks of life to “expose animal abuses for food, research, amusement, fashion and more.” The event washosted by the lesser known animal rights group Farm Animal Rights Movement (FARM). The True Agenda of Animal Rights Organizations Exposed – It is Not About Animal Welfare The groups attending the conference confessed that their movement is not about animal welfare, like they have led people to believe. It was made clear to attendees, that the true agenda is about ending animal industries and ownership. This was exemplified by a quote from the Animal Agriculture Alliance report from The Save Movement says: "Animal rights is different from animal welfare. It's not about better cages; it's about empty cages”. Hypocrisy on the Agenda In addition to exposing their true goals of ending animal ownership and human-animal interaction, hypocrisy was also on their agenda. These groups claim to be fighting for the respect of animals, yet they do not treat other humans with respect. The animal rights industry is fraught with claims of sexual harassment. This is well evidenced by the recent resignation of past HSUS CEO , under the cloud of sexual harassment., former HSUS Vice President also resigned under similar accusations. Even the host organization of the National Animal Rights conference is marred, , of FARM has been accused of turning a cold shoulder to sexual harassment claims within his own organization. Conference Attendees We outline “people to watch” in the paragraphs below because it is important to become familiar with who is representing each organization that attended the conference. We also make sure to note which people have been previously associated with other animal rights groups. As people move between the different organizations it allows their message to solidify and become more and more extreme. We have previously shared the Animal Agriculture Alliance’s “Activist Web” which can be found on our website or theirs, it shows just how closely tied all of the animal rights and environmental groups truly are Other Groups in Attendance Besides the more “notable” groups that we highlighted above, there were 100 other animal rights groups in attendance at the conference. Some include: The Humane League, The Good Food Institute, The Save Movement, and Vegan Outreach. These groups are working toward similar goals, but each may have a specific cause that it is more closely tied – for example animals used in research, ending animal agriculture or working on animal rights internationally. Conference Theme – Animal Liberation The Animal Agriculture Alliance report states that the main theme of the conference was “Animal Liberation” rather than animal welfare. Simone Reyes of Social Compassion praised the Direct Action Everywhere raid on farmers in Northern California saying, "Our movement must adopt all avenues, the methodical and radical." This quote exemplifies the thought process that overlooks the animal’s actual well-being over the action of “freeing” them. Resources: 1. Animal Agriculture Alliance report on 2018 National Animal Rights Conference

alleged hearsay that actual breeder members might be interested to know, just in case their "new friend' looks remarkably like her. come to think of it, anyone who tells a complete stranger how many dogs they have and their ages is asking for trouble anyway... that's also what thieves are looking to know too. anyway, everyone needs to know they have to have fire extinguishers and an evacuation plan, complete with your vets name address and phone contact printed and placed in public view or your ass is grass now...

prime example of inbred as another suggested Yellow crusted robin just couldnt help myself....such a cute photo

Just keeps getting better and better. 16 May at 13:28 · No more pig dogs in the ACT. About This Website THELAND.COM.AU Don't let the dog out: $4000 fine in the ACT https://www.theland.com.au/story/6125092/dont-let-the-dog-out-4000-fine-in-the-act/?cs=4951&fbclid=IwAR2wxQSWvzLK7lqSWDVKRpfbbbHmNR-ndXReoph4YCPHze0R-wJ3KD0_gDQ Comments L S Lol so no more trips to the vet with your pet otherwise its a 16000 fine. Sorry fluffy that you have a broken leg, you will just have to suffer because i cannot afford to cause you stress L S This will mean no pounds can operate legally either because that causes alot of stress on the animals kept in cages, just have to let them go free. R Is this actually real? D W Courtesy of the rspca Bec "It says an animal is sentient if "it is capable of being aware of its surroundings, its relationships with other animals and humans, and of sensations in its own body, including pain, hunger, heat or cold." Yet somehow a kangaroo isn't sentient? ah yes, cant let them in, they are to be culled.

some just love that

there you are snook a nice inbred bird for you Never heard of Save the Harvest group before... The very message our ANKC's are failing to get across..... our dogs have been doing the same for centuries Protect The Harvest 13 hrs · Animals Play a Meaningful Role In Our Lives “Bravo has never given up on me – even when I’ve given up on myself. He always picks me up at my worst and brings me home to BraveHearts. We started our journey in 2013 when we competed in the Mustang Million horse training competition and, now, fast forward to this year. We rode 20 miles together through downtown New York City where he again carried me fearlessly on Trail to Zero, a ride to end veteran suicide. These horses are the answer for me and my brothers. Bravo is my lifesaver.” - Michael Sullivan, Army Veteran, OIF/ OEF BraveHearts is a PATH Accredited Therapeutic Riding Center with 2 locations in Illinois. In 2018 alone, they provided 28,238 sessions to 1,397 individuals including 834 veterans. Learn more about BraveHearts and their Trail To Zero Campaign that works to bring awareness veteran suicide using the links below. https://www.youtube.com/watch… https://braveheartsriding.org/ https://www.trailtozero.org/ If you would like to make a submission to our "Animals Play a Meaningful Role in Our Lives" initiative, here is the link for more info. http://protecttheharvest.com/…/animals-play-a-meaningful-r…/

I use Sydney Uni Vet clinic and Georgina Childs is awesome. uses the same machine as the childrens hospital uses far far more sensative than the cheaper model Strange place though, great pricing for the BAER hearing tests but dont get you puppies vaccinated there over a hundred and fourty per pup? no discount for litters

so many stories about people whose dogs have eaten meat with pins or glass or poison in it... so you have the right idea and yep staffies like labradors are food vacuums maybe have a dog coat on with im a rubbish guts, or im a food guts.... get em laughing if nothing else maybe, 'I'm a garbage guts" perhaps? '

In what part of ethical breeder, did you find the word rescuer? read slowly This is a purebred dog forum This purebred dog forum has a breeders page....eg https://www.dogzonline.com.au/breeds/puppies.asp so considering how sure so many on this thread are that Flick71 who was or is, a registered breeder of another breed is incapable of vetting any potential homes for these puppies. Will the new ethical fashion in future to be that these breeders should be sending all these puppies they do not keep and are presently advertising for sale, send them instead to you rescue people here to ensure they are "ethically" rehomed? How long before you decide no breeder can be trusted to decide a puppys future home either? the destruction of the ankc from within is pretty noticeable in case you haven't caught on yet.. Plenty of others have. Including Karen Hedberg, or she would not have moved that motion to prevent the mandatory dna parentage verification of all puppies before they can be registered in NSW. her reasons make good reading... and she is totally right. Just home from a wonderful day at Guide dogs for the Blind. the atmosphere was glorious. over a hundred people all enjoying the day and their puppies they are growing out to become guide dogs in training... not a single one is ankc registered. no one was worried about who was there that was unethical. NOT ONE DOG there was desexed and they aged from three to ten months, some looked a bit older but didnt ask, know my cousins puppy is ten months.... Why arent they desexed? Because they want them to grow normally so they will have the best life and health expectancy possible. Funny that. My cousin now has their first one they puppy walked permanently, so they are still puppy raising oncoming generation as well. as she topped her classes and was deemed to be brood bitch material so bred from instead to produce the next generation of potential guide dogs.... they look to the future. no dead end kennel here. They actually wait to find out how the puppies mature to decide who will contribute to the next generation. not decide before 8 weeks and neuter or vasectomy every other one. it is impossible to be accurate at 8 weeks.

So to be ethical should the breeder's be sending any puppies they are not keeping for themselves surrender them to yellow girl or other rescues in their state instead of advertising them on the home page? So they don't risk being hoodwinked either?

My vet used to be dead against the commercial puppy farms, now he has come to the conclusion that they are going to be the only way in the future people will be able to source a pet now the ankc's members are producing less and less every year.

Don't worry, think the op has got the message loud and clear.... be surprised if you ever hear from him or her again. why do so many of you have such a low opinion of your own species? You know no matter how lovable your dog is, if the opportunity arised, it can and will kill without compunction. be it a lizard, rat, rabbit or even another dog and run to you wagging its tail... with not a clue that is not permissible for a human to do that, but it is natural instinct for a dog. no matter how often you call it a fur child, that is the talk of Peta and animal rights, not a person who knows and still loves dogs for what they really are.. they have not a clue about our laws and what constitutes good manners? You have to train them what is not acceptable and what is..... they are not evil..... they live by their instincts.... yep they are born with a canine set of rules Our dogs havnt a clue our politicians felt to need to write laws that if your dog kills it will be put down just like any human murderer was once, even many innocents.... a human can protest innocence and still be convicted ....so what chance does a dog have? ..... its perfectly normal for a a dog not brought up with birds, rats, mice, guinea pigs, rabbits, cats, chooks, ducks, geese, sheep, alpacas and goats, even cattle to chase and maul them, even to kill them. They have no concept this is wrong, It is our job to teach them, or keep them from gaining the opportunity. The dog is not the criminal, the owners that do not prevent them the opportunity is the criminal... Some owners do not even see their dog has attitude problems even to people, or they and whoever they may attack would not end up being mauled, some to death as noted in the News, forum this morning. quite a few seem to have mental issues towards their fellow humans.. maybe stay clear of forums and keep to hugging your pets, instead of attributing motives to people you have never met? this is a purebred dog forum, not a coven of dog rescues, despising breeders or anyone asking for help and advice, in case you are not aware of it?

I remember well the "good ole days" when no one kept their dog in and packs roamed the streets. a percentage were hit by cars, a percentage died when the dominate dog in the group that day decided to take on another and the pack would pile in and tear the one losing to pieces. they weren't the good old days for many dogs

you obviously do not breed and are not a registered ankc breeder or you would know first hand :-) just telling it like it is. kept silent for decades as I saw the poison creeping into my friends, "to be ethical we have to eliminate back yard breeders" "to be ethical we have to eliminate any puppy farmers in the membership" .. ... finally asked them, "You have a backyard, so aren't you just at much at risk of one day going to be targeted?" you cant blame the rspca for phone calls that drop people in their lap . rspca used to be a great group of people.. many of my friends, even my vet worked for them. well until the change came in the 90's ... You forget my vet was rspca head vet for victoria before hugh worth... he left then because it was corrupted, years before he moved to nsw and began his practice here... are you going to respectfully submit he has mental health issues too? Along with my now ex inspector friends and ex kennel workers? There are still some great people working there, hoping to "improve from the inside" . As for the ones still trying from the inside, wish them all the luck in the world.