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In Ireland there are ten controlled breeds: In the UK there are four breeds of banned dogs. It's worth reading the UK legislation (I've put the link at the bottom of the quote). Because this is the outcome of the Coroner's recommendation. Animal control officers can, and do, seize dogs off the street, on the basis of how they look, even if the dog has no history of bad behavioiur and doing nothing other than having a particular appearance. There are no mentions in either legislation of "Irish Staffys". Staffords and other dogs, including pedigreed dogs with papers are restricted in many European countries. Germany has 42 breeds of dog with restrictions placed on them, and bans on " Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, and the Bull Terrier." In fact Germany has some of the strictest dog laws and is one of the most dog unfriendly countries in Europe. They had four fatal dog attacks in 2010, although their breed legislation was introduced in 2001. Across Europe there were 15 fatal dog attacks. That is out of a human population of nearly 750 million. I'm fascinated by the constant inclusion of the Fila, Dogo and Tosa in these lists. I can't find any statistics on dog attacks on South America right now, but I'd be interested to see them if anyone has the stats. But the Dogo, Fila and Tosa are rare breeds outside their own countries, so clearly their inclusion in the lists across Australia, the UK and Europe is based on myth rather than any evidence. If anyone is interested in the history of BSL, Karen Delise's book "The Pit Bull Placebo" is available for free download as an ebook from the National Canine Research Council. www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/ thanks for the link, she has it nailed all right, page 35 for example. "Cuban Bloodhound, Siberian Bloodhound, British Bloodhound—it matters little, for when these breeds left the hands of those looking for a vicious tracking, attack, or guard dog, severe and fatal attacks by these breeds virtually disappeared from newspaper reports. As owners looking for a new intimidation dog turned their attentions in the early 20th century towards the Bulldog and German Shepherd, the Bloodhound population stabilized and Bloodhound ownership largely returned to the true admirers of the breed. This scenario would repeat itself over the next century; as certain breeds became increasingly popular in negative functions, and subsequently more popular with substandard owners, incidents of aggression within the breed would increase. When breed popularity decreases with substandard owners and returns into the hands of more serious enthusiasts, incidents of aggression decrease."

Staffordshire Bull Terriers aren't a banned breed in Ireland. The Irish Staffordshire bull Terrier, not to be confused with a SBT bred in Ireland, is banned as a pitbull type by the U.K. As is the Amstaff b.t.w. I am reasonablely sure the SBT is banned in Germany, along with the Bull Terrier & the Bull mastif. The concern for these breeds now is Germany is pushing for a common law for the entire E.U. regarding breed restrictions. If successful (unlikely) it would mean the SBT would be banned all E.U countries. I am a little bemused that a veterinarian could simply declare a dog to be an Amstaff. If push came to shove I doubt such an identification would be upheld by a court of law. Such a challenge would be interesting though. An Amstaff without ANKC registration papers as proof of breed is, for all intents & purposes, a pitbull. this link explains a lot http://www.petforums.co.uk/dog-chat/9535-english-staffy-vs-irish-staffy.html

Actully I was suprised Sheridan became so upset. Seemed to me it was just a misunderstanding, nothing should let this get derailed, its too important everyone works for her safe return.

I have threatened my vets life and health but he maintain's he did his job, mother nature makes the dammed stuff not just in the teste's. I know he is telling the truth, he even removes all the cord he can as well........ what else is there to take?

Want the good news only? or the 11% of bad news? That's the percentage the vets tell us anyway that there is NO significnt testosterone level drop. considering in the past, no one told our cat he was now a neuter so spent the remaining 18 years of his life maintaining his top cat in the block reputation... Then theres doofer, nobody told him and hes now 7 years old. Then theres the welsh cob, gelded at 6 months, great teaser, the mares fall to their knees to him Then theres Drama, gelded at 4 months, well, again the mares head for him like bees to honey. somehow this place looks like every one of the 11% landed here..

One would presume not seeing as this is the name being advertised from pillar to post to find her. Ridiculous question. Thank you for your valuable contribution. Happy to delete my FB request to Australian friends to share the topic if my question is just too ridiculous. I'll especially ask the Queenslanders given Donatella's rudeness. you forgot it wasnt the pups owner who had a shot at you, remember?

I know when my sick pup was stolen my vet only gave her a 50/50 chance of survival without her medications. lucky for her she survived, although even the police had a laugh when they were caught said I should be charged, she was so sick it was 3 months before they could sell her? Like that the? are you only allowed healthy animals for theives????????

I feel so sorry for you and your darling puppy, there are people around who really scare me now these days. People are being taught to despise anyone who breeds, I even had one woman challenge me "how could you breed and sell your own childs babies"? Like when the "fur baby" stuff began, I never dream't some people really cant differientate between a human child and a dog? Soon as some discover you bred her the attacks begin, although there is another element who decide you must have deserved it if your pup was stolen. There's some really weird people. Many think Im really weird, because nowdays I dont trust anyone, anymore, unless Ive known them for years or I have friends who have and can vouch for them. I know some of mine have had some weird names over the years. Im apalled at some of the comments I've read here already. But good manners or having any care for other peoples feelings seem to dissappear at light speed when its on the internet. Remember the majority of people are wishing and praying for your puppies speedy recovery. Only a tiny minority drive in the hurt, pity its so painful you tend to forget it's so few they dont deserve noticing.

That last pair came across as a real nice chap, his wife seemed equally nice and as pretty as Paris Hilton . To discover their real line of work, and had so many knives, plus the gun in their car and to boot when they were arrested were as the police said "high on ice" . Thanks to the lady who had bought one of my puppies from them she arrnged to meet them to see another they had for sale, except the police arrived instead. how would you feel to discover someone like that could turn up at your place after they already knew their way around it now?

Well right now I have a couple of bushies in my kitchen discussing this very thread. They have known many domesticated dingos, including some whose owners were not even aware that their dog was a dingo. They cannot remember a single incident that caused any complaints by neighbours as to temprement or agression being an issue, every one they knew was an excellent happy pet. The funniest being those city folk who had rescued what they had perceived as an abandoned pup found in the bush and didnt know it was any but a lost pup. One lady for example, found hers semi paralysed with ticks, the other similarly sick and half starved near a road where they stopped for a picnic. The old bushies knew instantly though. This breeding and advertising them is a new thing. The opinion in the kitchen is there is far less danger to the public from a dingo pup home reared than any of the BSL breeds so fail to see why are the reasons against them being kept being voiced here. I have to say if anything any dingo I owned or knew well where quiet dogs that would run away not attack. So true, they would never the the dog of choice for the ego extentionist's. To be called a "dingo" by a bushi is no compliment is it? Like their cousins the cattledog, they tend to dissappear , then wait for the better opportunity to get what they want when your not looking if its food. Love the way they dont think its wrong to pinch something if you dont see them. First trick dad taught me, you trick them to think you have not only eyes in the back of your head, but can see through walls. LOL Although unlike the cattledogs most dont reappear behind an unaccompanied stranger if they lobb into your dogs home yard or go for the heels either . Never ceases to amaze me how many people end up stuck at the owners home unable to get back out the gate because they dont know its not best practice to enter someones yard if no one is at home and a cattledog is there. Although some like Debbie do the stand, and do not enter from the first they see a stranger. theres the darlings that let them in then stand guard and wont let them out. the Most embarrassing was finding my new landload waiting for me when I arrived home from work, I had only rescued my new cattledog from the liverpool pound 3 weeks before. she was a corker. At least he only had to wait and hour and a half, or I might have been looking for a new home

What really gets me, is why didnt someone call a doctor, why the papers? Surely this cannot in any shape or form be classed as in the public interest. My sole thought but couldnt figure how to word , and maybe not well anyway, where in this did anyone even consider the interests of the children concerned. Their lives will be impacted by this photo of their mother to a degree that could lead to bullying of the most nasty kind. We see here how nasty things can get here just on a forum. Here we are being told about it in another country. When I first saw I simply didnt want to know. tried to think well its the norm in some places and wouldnt attact a second glance. BUT to be a mum and involve your babies, well young children, to the teasing, the embarrassment, the humiliation of "I SAW YOUR MUM in the paper"........that is who the real victums are here. If the mother could not see that , where where the reporters minds?

Oord, I found this one re Judy Guard but not the main one so far http://www.dolforums.com.au/topic/209593-judy-gard-all-done/page__st__15

For some strange reason I am getting this irrepressible feeling you just might have a talent for ruffling feathers, not just on a forum. It does sound like you might have been lucky they didnt have any tar and feathers handy :) from one who's been known to a thread without even realising I'd dropped a bomb

Well right now I have a couple of bushies in my kitchen discussing this very thread. They have known many domesticated dingos, including some whose owners were not even aware that their dog was a dingo. They cannot remember a single incident that caused any complaints by neighbours as to temprement or agression being an issue, every one they knew was an excellent happy pet. The funniest being those city folk who had rescued what they had perceived as an abandoned pup found in the bush and didnt know it was any but a lost pup. One lady for example, found hers semi paralysed with ticks, the other similarly sick and half starved near a road where they stopped for a picnic. The old bushies knew instantly though. This breeding and advertising them is a new thing. The opinion in the kitchen is there is far less danger to the public from a dingo pup home reared than any of the BSL breeds so fail to see why are the reasons against them being kept being voiced here.

smf = small and fluffy the rest of the question I would have a clue.

german shepherd - to the specs of the guy that created the breed, not the funny looking dumbed down ones called german shepherds by the breed registry (ok thats baiting couldn't help myself), why do you ask? Why did you put what you did then? the old type dogs were heaps better soundness wise than the super new shape? although I do remember some of the old type had some serious issues re biting any not their owner and smf's endangerment as you said. One of the reasons we were not allowed to have one. A neighbour was accidently killed by his own GSD one night, he couldnt find his front door key, and it was pouring rain so he rushed around the back without calling to his dog first. He took the dog by suprise and he bit first then realised who he had bitten. Unfortunately a tooth severed the coroid artery and he died before the ambulance arrived. So parents stuck with cattledogs to guard the business and its surrounds. Had a building supply company. amazing how bags of concrete could walk before the dogs became part of the place dad used to say.

I thought this was sort of answered previously, here it is. At the time it did leave me scratching my head, are they working dogs that cant be "pet's". Cannot recall any bully breeds used for livestock guarding or working. Or what breeds for that matter can be at risk to the degree they can "never being able to relax for a minute when the public are involved, in fact they rarely get exposed to the general public and when they do its under strict physical controls and restraints, self imposed constraints by a responsible dog owner, sux for me and my dogs in some ways as they are almost completely isolated from the public and will never be allowed to just hang out at a dog show or whatever" Certainly had me wondering "what breed is that" Obviously not a dingo anyway, was the only conclusion I managed.

Maybe she has seen too many adds like the one I saw on tv about buying the right car for your fur baby? Not too far a step to someone thinking? maybe? nursing is as well It is actually the done thing in some societies. Although its to raise baby animals that would otherwise die.

Trying to find the Judy Guard thread. did find this. seems its still applicable, wonder what the next definition will be. Posted 08 December 2010 - 12:56 AM There is a contest at University of New Brunswick calling for the most appropriate definition of a contemporary term. This year's term was: "Political Correctness". The winner wrote: "Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of shit by the clean end." More and more I get the suspicion this is the way new laws are pretty much formulated these days

You do seem to be making some rather passionate assumptions about people you have never met? Dingo's too for that matter. With regard to Judy, it's law now in Victoria, if a dog born in Victoria, is debarked in another state of australia it can never be "exhibited/shown" in Victoria if it is owned by a Victorin resident. Before you get going about the evils of debarking, the RSPCA DEBARKS TOO. Its just that they believe its their way or the highway, in Judy's case the jail. Penalty for each offence 1 year in jail. Judy Guard debarked 13 of her show dogs because her neighbour had cancer and found any noise distressing. she rehomed one and the new owner took it for a checkup, the vet was very pro rspca and reported the dog and its breeder, it was an ex showdog. even went so far as to euthanize the dog on the grounds that it was not properly socialised. Apparently the dog did not like the vet. RSPCA seized 13 of her dogs, she pleaded guilty but unlike the RSPCA who insisted "their hands were tied, she had broken the law" when asked to drop the charges and return the dogs. the magistrate had no such problems and despite her guilty plea, dismissed the case. If the magistrate had not decided to use his discretion she by law was facing 77 years, cancellation of her membership and no longer be allowed to breed or show her tibetian's , think that was the breed, either way the breed standard describes the breed as "suspicious of strangers" thanks to the RSPCA'S temprement testing, a "breed trait" can mean a death sentance now. theres a whole thread on her ordeal. anyone? where is it?

Honest, I dont want to offend you. but I just had this irrisistable urge to ask. you are obviously passioniate. that doesnt make you right though. the world never was black and white, letting yourself realise there are thousands of shades in between can be very painful learning when the passion doesnt want to admit that. but then again? Wasnt it this kind of passion that got Judy Guard facing 77 years jail? so yes passion can sure get tougher and tougher laws passed to control even who you can take to a dog show now or face jail for doing so :cool:

many dingo owners like to emphasise how "just like any other dog-ish" their dingo is, if they are so ordinarily dog like then why not just get a regular dog?? can't wait for the day that there is nothing left of novelty/rare/exotic marketting to been exploit just for novelty, the focus for breeders will then have to shift from novelty/rare to actual quality which would be too much of a jump for most; hmm whats left to exploit, we've done the LGD's,done dingoes, basenji's, NSD's, mountain XXX dogs, the completed program to remove all functional working traits from the working breeds by show breeders....be a brief period of staring at each other wondering which bandwagon next...ah just start making up a history, a good story and a standard and registry to tell the lie, Boerbell anyone. Oord, you really do need to stop trying to pidgeon hole people like that. the real facts are the great majority of dingo's end up in a pet home because they were rescues. as long as we have the right to rescue a baby any species people will and frankly ive never seen one end up dumped in some rescue society's pen not trying to pidgeaon hole but if the pidgeon hole fits.... Who? You? is it comfy :)

many dingo owners like to emphasise how "just like any other dog-ish" their dingo is, if they are so ordinarily dog like then why not just get a regular dog?? can't wait for the day that there is nothing left of novelty/rare/exotic marketting to been exploit just for novelty, the focus for breeders will then have to shift from novelty/rare to actual quality which would be too much of a jump for most; hmm whats left to exploit, we've done the LGD's,done dingoes, basenji's, NSD's, mountain XXX dogs, the completed program to remove all functional working traits from the working breeds by show breeders....be a brief period of staring at each other wondering which bandwagon next...ah just start making up a history, a good story and a standard and registry to tell the lie, Boerbell anyone. you comment doesnt even enter 90% of the equation of people who end up with a dingo. Oord, you really do need to stop trying to pidgeon hole people like that. the real facts are the great majority of dingo's end up in a pet home because they were rescues. as long as we have the right to rescue a baby any species people will and frankly ive never seen one end up dumped in some rescue society's pen. Why not? because they knew what they were getting into. unlike so many ooooooh arent they cute........petstore purchases.

Thanks for the reply, I didn't decide to go with them anyway. Just too much what if's and I really want to go it right. I wouldn't be able to go see their home or parents beforehand because we are interstate. Just more waiting :) Outside of the dodginess of the 'breeder' in question, I'd just like to point out that you don't have to see the home or parents in order to get a puppy from an ethical breeder. This 'you must see the pups and their environment' is a crock. Yes, but its a very effective 'crock' to pressure you into letting complete strangers case your home and decide what dogs, or anything else they fancy they want. Thats how I met what I now know are two professional break and enter families. The first I know by sight, actually even have the phone number but never got them caught as the pups dissappered, no evidence no conviction. I expect few remember the case of the two stolen Cavalier puppies Fire and Tilly. They were finally found and the thieves charged and convicted. But considering the husband had 6 pages of convictions it was all in a days work. Doubly disturbing keeping the family company before being called for the sentencing were two chaps that are regularly seen cruising the neighbourhood, havent been caught breaking and entering but considering the charged couple live in the region of Campbelltown and they and their friends have been seen regularly in and around the Penrith area. In the case of the friends, hubby took their ute number the day he saw them driving down a neighbours driveway and the police said there is no such number plate registered, they told hubby do not go near them they may be armed and dangerous, their friends, the couple who took my pups, when arrested had both knives and a gun in their vehicle. Yet, you will be labled 'unethical' if you refuse to let anyone who calls " see the pups and their environment" I am talking over a 25 year period since meeting the first family and the pair that were caught, they were about 4 years ago. Ihave seen the first in the area off and on over the years. only last christmas 5 houses across the road were robbed one even had the owner in her gym in the garage and she didnt know a thing until she walked back into her house. Australia isnt a classless society after all.

This does ring alarm bells for me, I have to say.. I have an 11 year old poodle x that we got (11 years ago) from an ad in the paper, and in hindsight all the signs of a puppy farm of very dodgy situation were there, but we didn't realise at the time. It was the same situation - the woman's "friend" was the one with the mum and this woman was just helping her while the actual owner was away. Got to the house, there was just one pup there, and we got her. She was supposedly a poodle x bichon, but there's just no way in hell.. Obviously now I wouldn't change her for the world and she's my little heart dog. But looking back, I'm sure she's from dodgy circumstances. I'm not saying that the person you called isn't the real deal, because god, how would I know. But just.. keep your wits about you and don't be fooled by a cute puppy! It takes a strong will to walk away from a cute puppy, as well all know, but make it a head decision, not a heart one :) Thanks for this :) I am trying really hard to be patient! Really, really hard. I've just ordered a few smallish things to prepare. There will be a puppy in this house one day, I just have to find the right one. And you will! Just like all the good things in life, the more you wait, the better it is in the end. In a few weeks/months, you'll having a puppy in your arms, think back to think back to this thread and go 'THANK GOD I WAITED!!! Otherwise I wouldn't have this little one!!' ETA - another suggestion is that, when you go and visit breeders, don't take money with you, unless it's for a deposit (and even then, think about it..). I purposefully DIDN'T take money when I went to visit a breeder to meet a dog I was interested in, because I knew that once I met her I'd be smitten and want to take her then and there. Which happened - I tried not to, but I fell in love. I even loved her more than her little pup, who I met! (Thankfully my partner had brought deposit money along as a backup without telling me and we gave the deposit and took her home a few weeks later, when her pups were sold and she'd been desexed etc). But still, sometimes making things a bit harder is better in the long run. It pays to be patient, you end up getting exactly what you are looking for. It took me 6 months to find a puppy that ticked all the boxes for my sister when she wanted a cavalier. Amazing how many couldnt tick the no henia box, or no dogs older than 10 which was also in the tick box. the breeder we ultimately found had 11 and 13 year olds. That was 16 years ago. Today its a no win situation, any breeder keeping their retired dogs today is a sitting duck for being labled a "hoarder" and that alone can now be used to seize your dogs. Then if all retired breeding dogs have been rehomed then the "puppy farmer" label sticks neatly instead. The welfare groups have both breeders covered under the 'unethical' banner now. Very neat as for looking for a really good breeding quality, that takes a lot of luck as much as the same degree of patience.