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Very happy about this yet your next sentence is lots of dogs are going to be destroyed. think the logic is they die for the greater good?

interesting that the two who went through a door and killed are simply declared dangerous dogs and it was the owner who has decided to have them put down. yet this dog, the local council has ordered to be put down because a neighbor has complained about it barking? http://blog.change.org/change-au/this-family-dog-with-sunnies-could-be-seized-destroyed-for-barking

n the sheeple don't believe they are being targeted, that its just bad people and the disgusting puppy farmers?

Umm, You don't have to sleep with them. There IS NO Separation of breeder practices by group. No group can ever be exempt from poor practice. No group can ever say sh*t doesn't happen in 'My' space. To insist Pedigree breeders have a 'different' space will see pedigree dogs ( and others) eventualy, go the same way as as the greyhound industry. No doubt. In accepting that all DOGS and BREEDERS have equal legitimacy to Man and his communities, the focus shifts from 'Groups' or environments, back to individuals and their own practices, where it belongs. Does this PERSON live up to the expectations of our community? Forget your 'own' space for that. Doesn't matter if a person lives up to K.C expectations if they are not also community expectations. With SHARED environment, conversation can shift to those values and practices, ( not groups ) that bring bring best results for Dogs and the communities they live in. Bringing shared responsibility of communities, A better educated and informed public. Puppy farms would fail on the expectations of a more responsible and informed public. Its the way to ensure puppy farms DON"T succeed hobby/enthusiast breeders. The way its going ATM, Puppy farms and commercial breeders have all the advantage available. Its a matter of Saving pedigree dogs, and domestic dogs in general. I find it very hard to respect a group that would rather 'die' and destroy a welcoming, valued space for dogs for every one, than change a belief that only a 'pedigree' can give a dog, a breeder or an owner validity. That superiority of pedigrees is a given, regardless of practice and environmental purpose. Thats what it amounts to. Any body claiming to be FOR dogs has a responsibility to shape and form those expectations. For dogs. Or they fail dogs at the most basic level. Its very unlikely puppy farms would ever have become an issue if the premier Breeder bodies had accepted in the 1st place that they are not THE environment for dog breeders, just one of many with a responsibility to the communities that support them to demonstrate value. A responsibility to a healthier environment than whats been left in their wake with a belief superiority is in a pedigree, not a dog or its purpose and values to its own space . You think your 'Group space' can single handedley meet community expectations, for all of us, go for it, But you will be judged by the worst, as a group. You fail my expectations. I have lost hope for my breed, along with most anyone who valued them for their purpose. Oh, right, your incomprehensible posts have actually been about you. Gee, sorry about not wanting to be likened to BYBs and puppyfarmers. Guess your expectations were always going to be dashed on the rocks of other people's ethics. I have no trouble understanding what moosesmum said? everyone can be likened to a byb and a puppyfarmer, as it is all the true puppy farms are licensed and literally factory built, hundreds of square metres of concrete and shedding aka any modern piggery all equally legal, those who have them at home with out the factory complex, all it takes is the accusation by someone who thinks they are better than you, few bother to question is it true, where animals are concerned its guilty until trial by media, online and gossip has run out of steam and ceased. I noticed all the headlines about the chihuahua breeder in vic suddenly went silent and how many weeks or months is it now since they and a neighbor were smothered in tar? the rage about the dead bodies was the neighbors property and a different breed but few noticed that minor hiccup in detail? as to charges laid the silence is deafening? charges sure were laid and frogmarched to court for that lady with the debarked tibetan spaniels as I recall she was facing some 60 years jail there were so many charges, furtunately for her although the chargeees said they had to seize the dogs and take her to court as their hands were tied, the legislation clearly stated she cannot show a dog in victoria if it was debarked in another state. no problem if its just a pet, but show it and your toast. lucky for her and her dogs the magistrate threw it out. thanks goodness that mans hands werent tied even though it was law even if a pretty incredibly stupid one. is it still there or been repealed? but no matter even if no charges are ever laid their reputation is mud and the stuff rarely washes off successfully, the majority so targeted dissappear due to the distress and the finger pointer is satisfied, reminds me of the salem witch trials actually The magistrate didn't throw it out and the law is still there. so what eventually happened? I was told she got them back and wasn't sent to jail? think was did my head in was anyone from another state with their debarked dog can go to Victoria and show it and its not a chargeable offense, as its not illegal to show a debarked dog just illegal if its born in vic , debarked in another state and then exhibited in Victoria by a Victorian, ?

Umm, You don't have to sleep with them. There IS NO Separation of breeder practices by group. No group can ever be exempt from poor practice. No group can ever say sh*t doesn't happen in 'My' space. To insist Pedigree breeders have a 'different' space will see pedigree dogs ( and others) eventualy, go the same way as as the greyhound industry. No doubt. In accepting that all DOGS and BREEDERS have equal legitimacy to Man and his communities, the focus shifts from 'Groups' or environments, back to individuals and their own practices, where it belongs. Does this PERSON live up to the expectations of our community? Forget your 'own' space for that. Doesn't matter if a person lives up to K.C expectations if they are not also community expectations. With SHARED environment, conversation can shift to those values and practices, ( not groups ) that bring bring best results for Dogs and the communities they live in. Bringing shared responsibility of communities, A better educated and informed public. Puppy farms would fail on the expectations of a more responsible and informed public. Its the way to ensure puppy farms DON"T succeed hobby/enthusiast breeders. The way its going ATM, Puppy farms and commercial breeders have all the advantage available. Its a matter of Saving pedigree dogs, and domestic dogs in general. I find it very hard to respect a group that would rather 'die' and destroy a welcoming, valued space for dogs for every one, than change a belief that only a 'pedigree' can give a dog, a breeder or an owner validity. That superiority of pedigrees is a given, regardless of practice and environmental purpose. Thats what it amounts to. Any body claiming to be FOR dogs has a responsibility to shape and form those expectations. For dogs. Or they fail dogs at the most basic level. Its very unlikely puppy farms would ever have become an issue if the premier Breeder bodies had accepted in the 1st place that they are not THE environment for dog breeders, just one of many with a responsibility to the communities that support them to demonstrate value. A responsibility to a healthier environment than whats been left in their wake with a belief superiority is in a pedigree, not a dog or its purpose and values to its own space . You think your 'Group space' can single handedley meet community expectations, for all of us, go for it, But you will be judged by the worst, as a group. You fail my expectations. I have lost hope for my breed, along with most anyone who valued them for their purpose. Oh, right, your incomprehensible posts have actually been about you. Gee, sorry about not wanting to be likened to BYBs and puppyfarmers. Guess your expectations were always going to be dashed on the rocks of other people's ethics. I have no trouble understanding what moosesmum said? everyone can be likened to a byb and a puppyfarmer, as it is all the true puppy farms are licensed and literally factory built, hundreds of square metres of concrete and shedding aka any modern piggery all equally legal, those who have them at home with out the factory complex, all it takes is the accusation by someone who thinks they are better than you, few bother to question is it true, where animals are concerned its guilty until trial by media, online and gossip has run out of steam and ceased. I noticed all the headlines about the chihuahua breeder in vic suddenly went silent and how many weeks or months is it now since they and a neighbor were smothered in tar? the rage about the dead bodies was the neighbors property and a different breed but few noticed that minor hiccup in detail? as to charges laid the silence is deafening? charges sure were laid and frogmarched to court for that lady with the debarked tibetan spaniels as I recall she was facing some 60 years jail there were so many charges, furtunately for her although the chargeees said they had to seize the dogs and take her to court as their hands were tied, the legislation clearly stated she cannot show a dog in victoria if it was debarked in another state. no problem if its just a pet, but show it and your toast. lucky for her and her dogs the magistrate threw it out. thanks goodness that mans hands werent tied even though it was law even if a pretty incredibly stupid one. is it still there or been repealed? as for the two tarred and feathered long before facing a day in court, doesn't really matter if they are guilty or innocent does it, murderers are treated so differently, they actually have rights of innocent UNTIL proven guilty, for some weird reason? but no matter even if no charges are ever laid their reputation is mud and the stuff rarely washes off successfully, the majority so targeted dissappear due to the distress and the finger pointer is satisfied, reminds me of the salem witch trials actually

Sorry, but your post is a load of twaddle. Umm did you spot the two or was it more? pollies who said pretty close to the same "twaddle" tonight on ABC news, one was Fred Nile? some are considering to cross the floor and vote against Bairds quest to close down the greyhounds.

The comment about the adds is so true, what a waste of taxpayers money, I was driving yesterday and on the radio comes an add extorting people to go to .... website and register their desire for greyhound racing to be shut down. no mention of a website to register a desire for it to continue. not exactly democratic.

wise words indeed for all being targeted by AR June 29, 2016 It’s well documented the challenges the American Greyhound Racing industry has faced, and continues to face… their battle is far from over. That same war, those same anti-racing tactics, the same lies, even the same smell of hypocrisy is here in Australia, it’s do or die people, we must stand up to these bullies, and we must educate the public, businesses and politicians before it’s too late. We’ll never change the minds of AR people, they have too much hate in their hearts, our time and effort is better spent on educating those that are capable of rational thinking. MAKE NO MISTAKE, this is the biggest crisis our grand old sport has ever faced, and it if we survive it, the next crisis or attack on our way of life is just around the corner… so for the sake of all of our future, let’s UNITE, if it’s not with this rapidly growing racing advocacy group (NGRU), then at least join your local association and get involved. NEVER GO INTO BATTLE WITHOUT A SWORD AND SHIELD! Meaning defend the sport, and fight back with facts, which by doing so will enlighten neutrals, and will prove how deceitful and conniving anti-racing people and groups are, thus destroying their perceived credibility, and will slow their propaganda machine to a halt… avoid arguments, present your evidence based fact(s) and let the neutrals decide what to believe. GET INVOLVED, GET PROACTIVE, SUPPORT A RACING GROUP, REFORM, EDUCATE, LEAD BY EXAMPLE, RESPECT EVERYONE, BE PROFESSIONAL and we will always get to enjoy this amazing breed and sport. We’re very lucky to have many friends and supporters around the world, but one of the most intelligent and well spoken greyhound person would have to be Dennis McKeon. With countless pieces written, Dennis has gained much respect within the worldwide greyhound family. There’s that word, family… we’re exactly that, one big dysfunctional family. Most of us are highly competitive and love nothing more to beat each other… but we all dig deep in times of crisis such as floods and bush fires, we open our hearts, homes and kennels for our greyhound brothers and sisters… so why is it we can’t put aside any ill feelings, and stop with infighting to work together, and ultimately help save our sport? Dennis answered our call to write a piece that would hopefully wake a few more pro-racers up to the reality we all face, please take the time to read and absorb the article below ↓ For our friends in Australia…. It’s Deja Vue All Over Again – By Dennis McKeon Observing the ongoing controversies that have sucked Australian Greyhound racing into the vortex of sensationalist media bias and the madness of international animal rights lunacy, it might be instructional to impart to you some of our American experience, so that you may avoid at least a few of the many mistakes that were made here. While there are notable differences in how Greyhound racing is conducted and supported in each of our countries, there seems to be very little difference in the controversies that surround the Greyhound, and those individuals who choose to breed them and to race them. While it is certainly not my place to judge Australian Greyhound professionals, Greyhound racing has been a hot button item in the USA for nearly 50 years now. While its long term future here is tenuous at best, we have managed to learn a few things over the course of the years. For what it’s worth, you may wish to consider the following, wherever applicable. With the advent of social media, Greyhound racing professionals have some unique opportunities they have never had in the past. Given that the mainstream media thrives on sensational human interest stories, Greyhound racing has become the default subject for news editors and journalist-activists, who either need to fill airtime or blank spaces on newsprint, or who wish to “advocate” on social media. Seldom has the Greyhound racing professional been allowed to present his/her side of whatever happens to be the “scandal du jour,” and almost always, whether it is deserved or not, they are the subject of much derision and demonization. Nevertheless, social media has presented the Greyhound racing community with a unique chance to rebrand the sport, and to reach out to an audience that is actually thirsting for your intimate knowledge of the breed and of individual Greyhounds., While it may be hard to believe, given the emotional excess and furor the media and racing’s detractors have whipped up, much of this audience is actually willing to meet you halfway, or almost halfway. As breeders and handlers, racing professionals are custodians of the largest group of Greyhound goodwill ambassadors in the world. That would be, of course, the Greyhounds themselves. Disposing of these goodwill ambassadors once their racing careers have come to an end, however humanely done, is a patently self-defeating strategy. Making certain that each and every adoptable Greyhound can find a “forever home” in retirement, is not only the ethical and moral “right thing to do”, but it is the single, most effective way to win the hearts and minds of those who are now only able to perceive these dogs as wretched and pathetic objects of pity, with you as their oppressors, and an assortment of anti-racing zealots as their saviors. Most people, believe it or not, are capable of putting two-and-two together. It doesn’t take a quantum leap of faith, for any individual who is capable of a modicum of critical thinking, to realize that their loving, good-natured, well- behaved , endearing and enchantingly quirky couch-potato, is indeed the embodiment and manifestation of all that is good about the racing model, and the people who are the custodians of the breed. It’s a very simple concept. The more Greyhounds there are, populating family and personal domiciles, the more obvious the cause and effect of racing, and all it entails, upon the nature, character and disposition of the Greyhound population. It becomes quite undeniable, to all but the most canine-averse and ideologically twisted. The Greyhound is what he is, because of–not in spite of–his racing genetics, bloodline, environment, handling, training and racing experiences. That’s how dogs manifest. The great temptation of social media, is to engage and to lash out at the many anti-racing activists and their followers, who have done a masterful job of isolating, targeting, propagandizing, and negatively stereotyping racing professionals. Allowing oneself to be drawn into slanging matches with these extremists is a critical mistake. You will never convince the “true believers” that there is anything good about racing or the Greyhound’s participation in it. There is no way to ever mollify frothing-at-the-mouth, irrational ideologues. Yet, for every fanatical, anti-racing extremist you may encounter, there are thousands of innocent but interested bystanders, who are gauging the veracity of what you have to say, to a great extent, by the way you say it. To put it bluntly, the “antis” are the lunatic fringe–you are not. So don’t allow yourselves to be drawn into their profane and hateful world of ideological tyranny and emotional fascism. Allowing yourselves to be goaded into a vicious argument with those who have little to no empirical knowledge of the subject, but who will repeat any lie or half-truth they may have gleaned from any other source, equally as oblivious, no matter how preposterous it may be, is playing right into their hands. The object must always be to educate, and most of the time, education is a brick-by-brick process. Remember, we are corresponding and interacting with a public so grievously misinformed, that most people cannot even conceive of a colony of purpose-bred, sporting dogs, being perfectly content, fulfilled and well-adjusted, doing precisely what they have been bred to do, for dozens of generations of track racing. This is where social media can enable the greyhound professional to respond most eloquently to their detractors and antagonists. Nearly everyone today has a cell phone with video capability. If you are not inclined to write long-winded and turgid essays like this one, there is nothing stopping you from making any number of informative and instructional videos, presenting the Greyhound in his natural racing environs, interacting with his kennel mates and handlers, and thoroughly enjoying him/herself while doing so. Greyhound adopters are, as a group, extremely curious about their adopted Greyhound’s lives and experiences prior to adoption, the day-to-day, slice of life events, or non-events. While you may not be able to personalize that for them and their specific greyhound, you can certainly demonstrate the norm for the great majority of Greyhounds. By so doing, you can, brick-by-brick, deconstruct most, if not all of the bizarre, counter-intuitive and harmful mythology that anti-racing dogma has popularized. Meanwhile, there are dozens of social media venues that provide networking and advice for the Greyhound adopter. Oftentimes, the advice offered by well-meaning but misinformed people, is wrong-headed, if not downright inhibitive to the Greyhound’s adjustment to adoptive life. This is because the vast majority of the public have been led to believe that Greyhound racing is some sort of clandestine cult, featuring abuse, torture and death worship. It is up to each and every individual who cares enough to do so, to put a new, modern, friendly and caring face on Greyhound racing. In the final analysis, these ever-burgeoning and uncommonly enthusiastic communities of Greyhound adopters are now your co-custodians of the breed. They also have a stake in his future as a vibrant, genetically diverse, highly functional population. His future is only in jeopardy, because of a failure to communicate that, in a rational, thoughtful and intensely personal manner. Do not make the mistake of waiting for industry leadership to build your bridges. You will have to do that for yourselves. It’s all about winning hearts and minds. But to do that, as we have learned, we first have to open up our own. copyright, 2016 ©

love hes carrying his lead, saw a lab today doing just that while his human was busy flying his remote helicopter as they walked along the foot path.

finally some good PR for greyhounds, was a bit surprised they are lumped as a "giant breed"

no idea where to get it ?

thrilled with mine but its not going on just the dog , if im out riding after dark worked out a way to drape it around neddys butt and the collar as a noseband. drivers scare me witless. a flashing neddy might turn the tables this time I hope. specially made ones for neddies cost mega

I find it hard to understand how Baird can listen to coleman openly stating he will be killing tens of thousands of greyhounds because according to him they are hard to rehome, yet shutting down the industry because a fraction of that are put down for not being fast enough? If they are hard to rehome then it's a fairly large fraction that are put down for not being fast enough, after all they don't race until they die of old age, they all stop winning and become wastage at some point in their lives due to the nature of the industry, unless they go on to breed or the owners actually really do love their dogs and keep them as pets. As for other welfare issues, diversion is not a useful tactic, not sure why people still do it, do they expect that suddenly people will let one issue drop and chase after another just because someone has pointed out that there other other serious welfare issues in the world? I'm not a fan of fishing I think it will eventually go the way of the dodo and live baiting, but I don't see the point of shouting "what about xyz?!" in response to focus on one issue. wasn't intended as a diversion, watching the fishing show and had no idea they did that until I saw it. used to have a fire eel as a teen, she knew the minute I entered the room and would race madly to the top to remind me time to be fed. never took any notice of my brothers or sister. so many animals are amazingly aware and smart, so many humans seriously underestimate the animals around us. much as I love my dogs never seen a dog work out a puzzle but my pig could. one of my horses could undo not only slide bolts but the supposedly stock proof gate chains

I find it hard to understand how Baird can listen to coleman openly stating he will be killing tens of thousands of greyhounds because according to him they are hard to rehome, yet shutting down the industry because a fraction of that are put down for not being fast enough? Then watching a fishing show where the chap deliberately shoves a hook thought a bait fishes lip and tosses it out to be snapped up by the species hes after. there is an incredible double standard going on here, baiting dogs makes me sick and those who do it should be prosecuted all dogs regardless of breed like to chase be it bags or balls, those who use some poor live animal are apalling, but to me that poor fish is being made to suffer unnecessarily and its on national tv? Does my head in one means everyone and their greyhounds are punished and the other is screened as the norm???????

have u seen this one.. typical behavior but perhaps too keen if he cant notice the human isn't umm human? https://www.facebook.com/Unexpected.Ent/videos/692798214070066/ no doubting he has a hyper keen chase instinct though? perhaps he needs better glasses?

pretty disgusting all right

thats what puzzles me about those who think a greyhound isn't the same too ? The ones I knew loved running, ok only have three friends who raced theirs they had cats and one her daughter had a guinea pig and a rabbit and the dog didn't given them a look, but throw their play toy and off flat chat after it. my dads cattledogs will chase a ball, all day everyday. One preferred sticks, the bigger the better. One day he dragged home a peach tree a neighbor chopped down and expected us to throw it for him. My mum had a poodle that couldn't wait for the ball to come out , the quickest way the get her overexcited was to ask her "wheres your ball" she would ransack the place till she found it if you were silly enough to hide it. there's more to loving to chase things than just instinct and the sight of a moving object or she or the cattle dogs wouldn't be looking for, finding and bringing their toys for you to throw surely?

someone did that to my cow,Heffie. used to tether her on the vacant blocks near home, lucky for me she was used to coming home soon as I came home from work. only this time she was waiting at the gate for me. So glad they didn't take my cow.

The whole thing only has the status of a recommendation right now. If the NSW Government has half a brain it will not adopt these Recommendations given the shaky basis on which they were made (no consultation, no understanding of the sport). But remember that the NSW RSPCA did want it to extend to all sighthounds. The Commission didn't go that far, but it is a warning shot from the RSPCA about how far it wants to intrude into people's pet owning. I note also tho' that both the QLD and Vic RSPCA run lure coursing at their public days including the MPW in Victoria. So, left hand, right hand... I think the key words are 'If the NSW government has half a brain.' I've not yet seen evidence of this. They seem to be swallowing the RSPCA line wholesale. And the RSPCA doesn't like dogs. Pollies dont have a brain, they live and breathe stats, whatever stats they are fed that will win votes, wins their focus. whatever will win them the most in election donations wins their votes in legislation , who pays the most gets the largess, look at the donations from mining and so where is australia's agricultural land going, to mining leases and csg wells. once its all toxic waste dumps , agriculture will be either in giant hothouses like spain or our food will be imported instead. Its not just pet owners under seige

agree, the trouble is those who have pets, any form of livestock for that matter, have had their heads in the sand for over 20 years meanwhile peta n co have been totally focused and have been 'educating' from the school to the universities with well thought out agenda. the rest who don't agree with their agenda have done zilch to work together and address the campaign. so divided with the long as Im ok mentality so few seem to see the big picture includes them all, just as long as the attacks are done section by section, thus the targets continue to think its someone else in the sights until its too late and be surprised when eventually the henhouse is empty.

to speak up against banning is to be accused of defending the 20% I feel so sad for the 80% they do have a point in this link http://ngru.org/nsw-gloucester-shire-council-caught-disposing-dead-dogs-at-tip/

Sorry my misunderstanding re the people you were talking about that have tarred lure coursers with the same brush as the unethical Greyhound people. Just as the ethical people have been except lure courses haven't got the whole country down on them and lure coursers aren't having their right to participate in and enjoy their sport because of the unethical ones taken away from them altogether. Like I said I agree with you the law probably is stupid. Yes the Greys do get to catch a toy, otherwise they wouldn't chase, some states do it on the track with the lure, some do it in the catching pen, my pups always got drive satisfaction with the toy. Like I said very few make money out of racing, yes hoping that they will have the next Brett Lee and all that would go with it is incentive but very few actually reach that goal, otherwise like I said I would have been racing dogs. The wealthy people in the sport of both horse racing and dog racing are wealthy because they have other means to make money. I didn't say that the sport of lure coursing is the same as racing from the human perspective, just the drive that the dog is working with to enable you to compete in the sport is, which is why I was assuming the law of not being able to have bait animals on your property has been extended to lure coursers. If the rule has been extended to people who own sighthounds well that is also ridiculous. Especially if you had seen my Greyhound the other day at the vet several days ago completely ignoring a rabbit in a cage right next to her and the cat on the counter above her and the cats and rabbit in the cages at the pet shop today, yet she is more than happy to chase a toy. The facts are that just about all dogs can/will chase, hunt, even kill, in some circumstances or opportunity , Cavalier King Charles are supposed to be a lap dog. I saw a 6' 7" brown snake reduced to 5 separate pieces by two cavaliers whose yard it decided to enter. Sighthound,s now, once ticked off the list the move will be onto the next target for elimination

Where did this quote come from Asal? National Greyhound Racing United FB page. Posted on July 28 in response to the rally held yesterday against the carriage horses in the Melbourne CBD. https://web.facebook.com/NGRU2015/ thanks, I lost the page just after I copied and then couldn't find it again.

No, let's say lots more. I would like to see the press release that accompanied the study because I bet it will be almost word for word what it says in the article. The actual conclusion is of low diversity not no diversity. And? The diversity is so low in the breed that the significant health issues and poor longevity associated with the breed cannot be corrected without an outcross. Except it says might not will. It behooves the media and people who read these things and report them to actually report correctly. Dreamer! The media can seldom be accused of accurate and correct reporting of scientific research ;) We in the scientific community insert so many 'probably', 'possibly', 'maybe', 'likely' words that the media gets frustrated and distorts. Say I spend two years writing an article. Some journo has three hours to summarize it. Of course they slash my carefully chosen hedge words to get something clear and simple. That's life. an uncle worked for the sydney morning herald, the motto was "any resemblance to the truth is purely coincidental, for which the management will not be held responsible".

spotted this, good summation dont you think of the problem. "ANIMAL ACTIVISTS AT IT AGAIN!!! Animal extremists will never stop, they fail to understand the difference between animal rights and animal welfare, they have no idea about animal husbandry, nor do they understand or appreciate the connection man and beast have had for eons. Help us win this war that is raging against all animal sports and industries! Join us today, or our tomorrow will be doubtful... Everyone is welcome to unite with us!"