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This has me a little confused....if the dog was bred by a backyard breeder, then how could it be registered I wouldn't have thought it was that unusual. Bitch is bred by non-registered breeder owner and the puppies are registered under the prefix of the person that bred the bitch. Perhaps some breeders terms were also included. Yes many breeders who are mentoring newbies do that. nothing unethical or against the law doing that. Hilton often would give out a bitch on breeding terms, provide the service and register the puppies under his prefix in return for pick of the litter. Many old time breeders did that. started many a newbie into the world of pedigree dogs.

paying for that is a waste of money. a lady had a purebred Australian Shepherd, paid for it to be dna tested. except there was a mixup and instead it was done for what breeds it was made up of. came back it had labrador, doberman, rottie an foget what else. Australian Shepherds are a breed descended from some dogs that arrived in America with a shipload of australian sheep, hence their name. parts of australia still keep and breed what they call German Coolies, no attempt has been done to my knowledge to get them accepted as an australian breed even though they have been a highly regarded sheepdog for over 100 or more years, they got their name from, have you guessed it? Arrived in australia with a shipment of sheep from Germany. I suspect it was some Coolies that came off that xhip in america with those sheep. Rotties or dobermans werent even created as a breed when the coolies landed here in oz . and i am quite sure they never contributed to the makeup of either the coolie or the australian shepherd, those tests are designed for dogs of unknown parentage so no one can query their accuracy as to the results

looking at the extent of his injouries bit puzzzled by you describing it as sensationalised? if it was a young child, teen or elderly they could have been killed he too if an artery had been hit?

They are not sooking. Do you have any idea how annoying a constantly barking dog can be!!! I concur. I also thought it was pretty poor form to say the neighbours are sooking! Whatever the neighbours are doing, the OP is trying to do something about the problem the dogs' barking is causing. I hope useful advice can be got from the Albury vet previously mentioned in an old DOL thread, re the position in relation to NSW law and also any implications if the OP actually lives on the Victorian side of the border. its perfectly fine for the op or any other to live in victoria and have their dog debarked in nsw. it only becomes a problem if they wanted to show it. you cannot show a dog owned in victoria and debarked in another state. as I understood what happened to that lady, if you live in another state, its perfectly legal to take your show dog to victoria that is debarked and show it. HOW INSANE IS THAT? But then, depite the fact Australia is one country, none of the states share a common microchip data base. so find a lost pet or steal a pet in another state while on holiday, take it home, it will never be linked up to its true owners if it gets lost again unless the scanner finds it has also been entered in one of those non council data bases? silly as the days of the different guage railways

They are not sooking. Do you have any idea how annoying a constantly barking dog can be!!! I concur. I also thought it was pretty poor form to say the neighbours are sooking! I do find it funny that people lodge complaints about dogs barking and roosters crowing. Yet I have nowhere to complain too when the cookoos are imprinting their chicks. the bastards keep it up 24/7 for weeks as their chicks are hatching. If you don't know it, cookoos lay their eggs in other birds nests. so they have eggs to imprint as they hatch all over the area and since they are laid over a period of weeks the ever present calls make sleeping neigh impossible

The dogs were off lead in an on-lead park so I don't know what stricter laws would do - given nobody is enforcing the ones they've got. It's about time they did enforce the laws.I don't see Greyhound owners letting their dogs of leash so why can't other dog owners keep their dogs under control. interesting isnt it? the stats were 20% of greyhound owners were doing the wrong thing so the entire racing of greyhounds is being shut down including the 80% who were honest AND AS WE ALL NOTICE, KEEP THEIR DOGS ON LEAD! It seems the pet owners who dont keep their dogs on leash and under control don't have much to worry about as there doesn't seem even a medicom of interest in fining or charging them, the fit only hits the fan when someones pet is killed or someone is mauled. In my whole life I cannot recall seeing a greyhound not leashed, the racing ones muzzled and the pet ones no muzzle but always on a leash. Pity the rest cant take note and copy save a lot of heartbreak and angst, even save an awful lot from becoming road kill.

exactly, only their head shape gave them away as being x breds but to those who didn't know the subtle difference between them and a real staffie would think they were, for those who did the descrption was spot on. same with the chap who told me his dog was a staffie, to me he was so different to the real staffie the difference was as vast as comparing an elephant to a rhino. yes he was staffie type but it ended there, he was three times the size of a staffie

Oh, please. Naming a breed for the closest possible match that people would be familiar with is nothing at all like racism. Nobody is calling a staffy, a staffy, because they hate staffies. It looks to someone like a staffy so that's what they call it. Oh please yourself. I am not saying that they are calling the dog a staffy because they hate staffies but because if they name the breed (or race) it might suggest that all staffies (or races) behave in this way and that is what has upset BBB. The average Jo does not know breeds of dogs. Just look at the thread in General. They do not know what a bull breed is (a French Bulldog is a bull breed) and they have different ideas about what a staffy is. By naming the breed here all it is doing is vilifying the breed. I distinctly remember police reports stating they are looking for a person of caucasion. asian, african and or middle eastern appearance. in some circles that might be considered describing a certain appearance ? I bought a dog kennel once second hand and the owner told me his staffy had outgrown it. considering the size of the kennel and my aunt bred staffies I was pretty suspicious his dog wasn't a staffy. when he called it out to meet me i was scared witless i was being eyed off by a massive red nosed pit bull. they arrived here because the bogans wanted something tougher and scarier than what was available here. yes there are those who love them and train them but its the bogans who have them as extensions of their egos and raise the disasters that make it into the headlines. as we see only too tragically. my neighbour had an ACD that would bite even his owner, instead of putting down the potential walking disaster he sold it to a bogan for breeding, once the pits arrived here the bogan got rid of the acd's , at least he stopped breeding potential headliner ACD's

yes I have had two decide to go exploring without permission, one a friends kids left the gate open the other had never left home in her life. in both cases get a phone call from the vets who they had been taken too , in the case of the first offender he had spotted a chap washing his car, noticed the front door was open and hopped in! so scored a ride to the vets. the old girl was spotted following a neighbors peacock and they were afraid she was going to kill it and whisked off to the vets as a lost doggie too. had to assure them she knew chookies lay eggs, always stays with the chooks at home when out foraging, never lost one to a fox, except somewhere along the track discovered the little white things they occasional drop are delicious. so she probably decided the biggest bird was the best to follow, should lay the biggest egg. she was in for disappointment that day eh? the peacocks owner is still laughing thank goodness. dont know what it is about her body language but the birds are never worried by her, neither was the peacock. although she moves as slow as a wet week anyway might have helped, she doesnt get close, just staying in eye range to make sure she can spot when one lays n mooches over for her reward once birdie has wandered off, even I can beat her to it

had that happen, turned out the first scanners batteries were low.

judging by the photos of the owner holding a puppy perhaps she was even breeding them?

eliminate breeders or restrict as much as possible how many they can breed so hopefully there will end up so few available there will be less available than people who want them perhaps? ...would this turn an irresponsible dog owner with an entire dog like me into a responsible dog owner with an entire dog???? well if there were no entire females left, surely then everyone would suddenly be responsible owners perhaps? feeling on the silly side tonite, n not even a drop of alcohol in sight, maybe a full moon? too lazy to check outside we will never make sense of any of it I suspect

wish I had a dollar for every time I was asked "when is the foal due" they were looking at my slightly obese gelding? although I think the winner was the neighbor who asked me why is my donkey mare beating up my stallion? went to have a look and standing there looking at me, were one donkey stallion and one donkey gelding?? how do you explain that to their owner ? He bought them as a "breeding pair"

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eliminate breeders or restrict as much as possible how many they can breed so hopefully there will end up so few available there will be less available than people who want them perhaps?

I like your idea very much. Also so many dogs disappear even though chipped, vets should scan automatically and check to see if the dog is not only registered, but is it listed as lost (your not allowed to say its stolen)at present the vets never do, unless they are injured and end up at a vets after a road accident do they get scanned. I know that's how one owner got their stolen dog back, he had been missing 3 years.

There's a number of shelters in the USA doing just that unless breed is known (i.e dog surrendered with pedigree papers). There's enough evidence around now to show that shelter guesses as to breed mix are generally inaccurate at best, so it makes sense. Those shelters are really happy with the choice and seeing increased adoptions. Interesting! But are they recording NO information about the dog in their database or just not putting it on the adoption pen notes - because that's a great idea. But what about dogs that are lost and found? Don't you need something to help people get their dogs back? The one I read about most recently was Fairfax Animal Shelter (awesome shelter, live release rate usually of 95%+), had a google and found this which seems to indicate they are removing breed labels from the software for adoptable dogs, but doesn't talk about strays etc. https://animalfarmfoundation.wordpress.com/2015/06/15/removing-breed-labels-easier-than-you-think/ I see what you're saying re lost dogs but the flip side is there have been numerous cases of dogs labelled by shelter staff as "X cross" and owner rings up asking if they've found a "Y cross" and the answer is no... but it was the same dog with two different breed labels given. To me it would be much less risk-fraught to instead ensure that all lost pets are listed online with good, clear pictures on the day they arrive. yes better to be asking have you seen a male/female of x colour, size and markings rather than say breed, so many havnt a clue as to the breed , even at dog shows I have seen an amazing number of people not have a clue what breed they are looking at. was admiring a stunning Kerry and complimented his owner on how nice he was. she said I was the first person to know what breed he was all day. n that was at a dog show. what chances of that happening at a pound? these days anything with a kink in its coat is presumed to be an oodle of one of the zillions of possible crosses

Remember that list of dont's if you want to be called an ' ethical'? You have to let puppy buyers come and inspect where their puppy has grown up. or you have something to hide. Yet as my car nut friend said, only an idiot will give their address to a complete stranger if you have something valuable to sell, He and his mates always meet at a neutal place, macca's or a local garage. Well a friend has a litter to sell, gave her address, and they never turned up. Next day she and I go to the pictures. when she gets home one of the chains locking her front gate has been tampered with, tried to cut it and failed. lucky the house was not broken into, she is on acres and its a km walk to the house so they must not like walking.

" prove their innocence." AND THERE LIES THE PROBLEM! whatever happened to innocent UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY? But hey a dog breeder today apparently is the lowest of the low in this supposedly democratic country. Although I agree a section for breeder contact is a good idea, as a chipper myself I discovered one good thing, the companies that sell them keep a record of who bought those chips, so a phone call out of the blue came when an impounded dog was scanned and the owner could not be traced, they contacted me as the dogs chipper to ask if I could look up my records. (we have to keep copies of every dog we chip) it took 3 days to find him, and he was one I bred and scampered down and picked him up. I can only go on what I saw happen to a friend. Had always chipped from the day they became available, Kept records of ever pup bred, chip number and new owner details except some 15 or more years later received a letter demanding the whereabouts of dozens of chips listed as the puppies had not been adult registered. seems a simple request. but no other details were given, not date of birth even to allow her to go to the book for that date. She was 80 at the time and the stress of going through those books from year one she ended up ill. She had good reason to HAVE to find the details. think the fine was almost 200 per dog if she didnt come up with the information wanted. in those days same as now, all puppies were chipped in the name of the breeder and a change of ownership form was filled out when it was sold. What you dont realise, is what she found out, many new owners never get around to paying their lifetime registration. what is even less realised is not all the transfer of owner details end up in the data base even if the breeder personally took the copy to council. or in the case of a puppy that died after being chipped and for obvious reasons never lifetime registered, its chip number had to be found and death notified or the fine was imposed. I had that experience myself only a few years ago. received a, where is this dog, why hasnt it been adult registered, register it or be fined. Same as my friend all they sent me was the chip number and no birth date or name of the dog not even the sex? that believe it or not was refused to disclose to me. Something about the freedom of information act? spent days going through my books. Finally found the number, the puppy had died 8 years previously. went down to council with the dates, birth, and death and submitted the information. still received a $169 fine with no right of appeal because I had found what they wanted the day after the deadline. Chips are not issued in numerical order, there is no system that I know of anyway where they can be recorded and stored in a numerical order to find them if required. they are random beyond belief. in my friends case trying to find and remember over a dozen different numbers while searching her records with no idea even when they were born is incredibly difficult. That is why so many breeders took up the practice of having the puppies registered with council with the actual name and address of the new owner. That way if they dont register their puppy, the letter goes directly to them instead of the breeder. there was no attempt to hide who bred it, many who saw what had happened to others, it was to keep the paper trail direct to the owner, instead of decades later a pay up or find that number letter would arrive from council, council records certainly are not always up to date, as my friend discovered. Or as I found council refused to give me any more information than the chip number of the dog.

read one lady with an Australian shepherd got back from that so called dna breed testing , that he had labrador, rottie and boxer the 3rd breed. since her dog was from pure pedigree parents I don't think any of those breeds ever contributed to the Australian shepherd somehow? Didn't they arrive in America with a shipload of sheep from Australia? hence the "Australian" bit to their name? German Coolies have been here in the land of oz for over 100 years and they too got their name because they arrived on our sunburnt shores along with a shipment of sheep from, have you guessed it? Germany old man. they are a feature out Tarana and Bathurst way. Hondo Gratton grew up on a property where the only working dogs were Coolies n gee they sure look like dare I say it? Nope better not eh.

As far as I am aware the origin of pound animals has already been proven, via many studies available on the net including those by the RSPCA, UQ etc. I agree with the remainder of your post. As far as Im aware its not possible to determine who breeds animals that turn up in pounds.There are some stats which say who dumps them for individual orgs but no way could they say where they originate from. If there are any studies of this kind I would be interested to see them. IF most of the dogs that end up in pounds are not microchipped, why on earth are so many new rules coming in to trace the breeders of microchipped dogs anyway? How is that going to stem the flow of the invisible impossibles to find? Harass the honest until they give up? so the only dogs to be found are the backyarders? still wont find who bred it unless having any dogs becomes illegal? pretty obvious that the unchipped dogs are coming from WHERE? THE REAL BACKYARD BREEDERS that no one, no way is going to find to eradicate let alone trace. you cant trace the never chipped ones can you? no matter how many laws are made. Another odd thing, Pet shops from what I have read anyway are to blame for the impulse buys and dumped dogs so stands to reason close them down. There is just one flaw to that reason, no pet shop can sell an unchipped dog or puppy? Yet they are to blame for the dogs in the pounds? As are those who obey the law and chip their puppies, regulate them into knots and there will be no dogs end up in the pounds. but all these dogs are chipped? There is a problem in this isn't there? Professor Summner Miller would ask, why is this so?

Pity that wasn't available long ago. what an incredibly difficult position to have been in. Just opened fb and up pops this. something else no mention has been made, whole heap of raids were done prior to the 7.30 report. but nothing as this lady wrote was said about the results. "Neath trainer Margaret Bright received a huge surprise recently when she saw a team of strangers jump over her fence and invade her property in the Hunter Valley NSW. Bright was just one target of a recent RSPCA and GRNSW ‘crackdown’ to bust alleged animal welfare issues within the sport. The search was reportedly one of three conducted in the area and has left local participants confused and irritated. “On Monday morning I had people jumping my fence at quarter to six in the morning”, Margaret explained of the shocking situation, “I woke up and I just looked out the window to see what the weather was like and I had one guy in my front yard and one guy jumping my front fence”. “I went to the door and they introduced themselves as RSPCA and GRNSW and I said ‘is there some problem? And they said, ‘We have had a complaint that there is live baiting conducted on this property at 5 o’clock every morning using possums, cats and rabbits’”. “They went through everything. They checked all of my dogs, they asked me if I have any cats or rabbits and I said ‘yes, my brother has a pet cat called Jessie, my granddaughter has a pet rabbit called Arthur’ and I said ‘other than that no’. They went through everything- fridges, freezers, cupboards....you name it” “He said he needed to inspect my entire property. He asked me every question under the sun. We had to follow them around the property, they went through every shed”. Ultimately, the search revealed nothing but healthy and happy greyhounds. With everything in perfect order, Bright wants to know why it was not made public that the raids uncovered no mistreatment. With recent allegations that the industry is rife with cruelty, corruption and collusion, releasing a statement on their positive findings could help to repair and rebuild the tarnished image and reputation of the industry. “At the end of the day everything was perfectly fine, but why don’t they say that we have inspected greyhound properties, we have found no mistreatment and no problems with it? That way the RSPCA is putting out there that they have won and that they are doing their job, but also that we are doing our jobs by everything being perfect” “I asked were there any problems and if there was anything wrong and the RSPCA basically said to me that from every dog they saw on the property, there was not one dog that was in any bad condition. Their kennels were brilliant, everything was clean and they said ‘you can hold your head high’”. “They have raided a few others and everything was fine but why don’t they say the positive things like that? The RSPCA have raided, visited whatever word they want to use and all the inspections have found that there is no mistreatment of the greyhounds. So why don’t they do that?” The raids were conducted on Monday 14th October- the day before the ABC aired a controversial 7.30 Report that alleged a plethora of uncorroborated accusations from race fixing and doping to animal cruelty. The RSPCA took a high profile stance though spokesperson Jade Norris, who alleged that "40% of all greyhounds bred never make it to the racetrack". There were also claims that over 17,000 dogs are euthanized each year because they are not fast enough to race. These baseless claims were left unsubstantiated with no clear evidence to support them. It had been widely publicised prior to the 7:30 Report going to air that NSW greyhound racing was to be presented in a predominantly negative light. Given the RSPCA were actively involved in the development of the 7:30 Report story, and knew in advance of the allegations to be levelled against the industry; the question must be asked - Was the timing of the raids influenced or encouraged by the ABC's 7:30 Report? Did the RSPCA seek to manufacture a high profile media event to secure higher ratings and consequently justify its own questionable allegations? Either way, the outcomes of the raids conducted by GRNSW and the RSPCA failed to make it to the air on the 7:30 Report; a report that many feel presented a one-sided and narrow insight into the greyhound racing industry. “As a trainer I feel it (7.30 report) was a one-sided misrepresentation of the greyhound industry. It was disgusting actually. They showed no positives of the greyhounds. For people to get on there and say they took a bitch and they were going to drown the pups, that’s just not called for. The other part, as a trainer, that I felt was bad was the actual fact that they showed the race at Wentworth Park. That should not have been allowed- they are one off incidents and that is not what greyhound racing is all about”, Bright said. “I didn’t understand why it was so one-sided. The RSPCA sees cases of cruelty probably more-so in the domestic animal world than in the greyhound animal world. If you got the figures from the RSPCA as to many were born, how many were put-down and the cruelty cases that come through there- they would be way higher than the greyhound industry. They are putting it all onto us but their rate would be a hell of a lot higher” “We have people rehoming such as GAP, the Belmont Vets and numerous other greyhound adoption organizations but it (the negative publicity) is detrimental to us rehoming them- people are not going to want them as pets because the industry has been portrayed in a bad light” Australian Racing Greyhound contacted both GRNSW and the RSPCA for official comment in aftermath of the 7:30 Report, but neither organisation would provide an official response. Australian Racing Greyhound contacted the RSPCA on a number of occasions by email and phone to comment on the factors behind the raids, the timing of the raids, and the outcomes; but the RSPCA failed to provide any information despite assurances to the contrary. Katherine Ernst About Katherine Ernst (All Articles) Katherine is a born and bred greyhound racing enthusiast from the Hunter Valley NSW. Growing up with greyhounds, she has an appreciation for all aspects of greyhound racing from breeding and rearing to training and retirement. Katherine has worked in many positions within the media industry, including as greyhound racing columnist for both the Maitland Mercury and the Greyhound Recorder and as a Producer for Sky Racing."

hot off the press it seems. http://www.theland.com.au/story/4134039/farms-on-trial-after-dog-ban/ Well that didnt take long after all? Although I tend to agree with him on two of the three listed. sow stalls for some sows save piglets. Animal Justice MP Mark Pearson says farming is 'on trial' after greyhounds ban Alex Druce@AlexDruuuce 1 Sep 2016, 5:05 a.m. News Aa Animal Justice MP Mark Pearson has vowed to hasten phasing out sow stalls, adopting pain-free mulesing, and embracing technology to stop male chick maceration. AN Animal Justice Party MP emboldened by the NSW Greyhound industry ban has put intensive agriculture “on trial” and says the banning of certain farm practices is inevitable. But the ultimate goal of Upper House MP Mark Pearson to halt all animal production is too much for even the Greens, who say it is absurd to suggest agriculture in NSW does not have a social licence. Mr Pearson, NSW parliament’s sole Animal Justice representative, said he and his supporters were inspired by the passing of legislation banning greyhound racing in NSW last week. “Whether we like it or not aspects of intensive farming will be put on trial,” Mr Pearson told The Land. “And I will certainly be a catalyst for that.” The Upper House MP had this year called for barbed wire on farms to be banned, and for wild Snowy Mountains brumbies to be left unchecked, and an increased focus on agriculture began in July when the Greyhound ban was announced by Premier Mike Baird. Since then Mr Pearson has supported calls to ban live export, urged a halt to the kangaroo harvest, and suggested this week pig hunting with dogs be outlawed. He has also vowed to hasten reforms already accepted as necessary by industry – including phasing out sow stalls, adopting pain-free mulesing, and embracing technology that would end the maceration of male chicks. During the Greyhound debate primary producers feared the natural progression of the discussion would see animal wastage on farms targeted, and agriculture’s social licence questioned. For his part Primary Industries Minister Niall Blair has consistently backed industry. He said the use of animals on farms was different to the Greyhound industry on account of farmers’ dedication to best practice. “I will neither introduce nor support legislation that prohibits or unnecessarily impedes intensive livestock farming in NSW, because it is not warranted,” Mr Blair said this week. But Mr Pearson says change is unavoidable. Whether we like it or not aspects of intensive farming will be put on trial - NSW Animal Justice Party MP Mark Pearson “In some ways the industries are already looking at what they do. Killing (male chicks) just because they’re born a certain sex isn’t going to fly with the average person for very long,” he said. Mr Pearson admitted the social licence of agriculture and greyhound racing were not comparable – but said the industries were linked through use of animals. “I wouldn’t say that (the two) are chalk and cheese,” he said. “But the difference is with the greyhound industry is the criminal behaviour… it’s animal abuse and torture. “I think the changes in agriculture will be more incremental” Mr Pearson could form a six-seat bloc in the NSW Upper House if he sided with the party most closely aligned to his party’s political beliefs: The Greens. But NSW Greens agriculture spokesman Jeremy Buckingham said he did not agree with Mr Pearson’s stance and said animals were an integral part of farming systems. “Of course the industry should meet the highest standards, but any suggestion that it does not have a social licence is absurd," Mr Buckingham said.

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after what has happened re purebred dogs, now the row over the greyhounds suspended over a report that is being said is flawed yet acted on,despite a pending court judgement, suspect a proportion of the population are more than a little suspicious it is taxpayers money paying for adds not only on radio but tv as well, that's hundreds of thousands in taxpayers money, asking people to rubber stanp the premiers decision after the event. pollies penalised for not toeing the party line etc apologies for repeating whats already on another . but this pollie is paying the price for thinking she had the right to stand up for her voters. She had now learned a lesson. promise to represent the voters all you want but once elected do as you are told http://www.dailyadvertiser.com.au/story/4124370/agriculture-could-go-to-the-dogs-after-greyhound-ban/