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LOL so on your guilty by association belief think its time to shut down the catholic church too. when even the Pope is complicit in protecting the guilty, aka made Pell a cardinal considering for decades he protected the perps and was moved to rome so he cant be recalled back to Australia to testify, that's called perverting the course of justice , always liked Geoffrey Robertson, even more now. the figures of 4445 may not seem like many but in the light of 70% kill themselves so they are missing from that total. http://www.theherald.com.au/story/4477315/calls-for-vatican-diplomatic-recognition-to-end/

Having had a puppy choke and unable to save it, even though it was over 20 years ago it is utterly devastating. she just put her face in the puppy porridge and tried to suck it up in one go, how much went into her lungs no idea but nothing worked to clear her airways and gone even before we could get to the car. the guy was an idiot to do what he did to try to hide what happened from his partner but I can understand how awful he felt and probably still thinks the death is his fault. truth is, accidents happen and puppies like children have no idea of danger. even the widely recommended chicken necks can kill a puppy, only a few years ago misty, still living thank goodness, tried to swallow three at one go without chewing them and choked, once your puppy is big enough to swallow them whole without chewing them is time to stop providing them I almost learned the hard way. trying to pull such slippery things out is almost impossible but we were lucky, got hold of one and she vomited the other two back. learned the much safer chew option is lamb or beef necks, way to big for anything but hours of chewing and teeth cleaning fun

in your enthusiasm to punish those who do. you seem to be conveniently forgetting those who don't. Last I looked the figures were the wrongdoers are very much in the minority. If the shoe was on your foot of guilty by association would you give up your dogs on the grounds you must lose yours for the greater good because a minority of others are breaking the law?

As a child whose parents never broached the subject of death so I had no idea until my grandmother died and the terrible impact that had on a 7 yr old. I made sure my child learned about this from an early age. Pets help very much in this respect, the love they give and the grieving process that is normal . So right Simply Grand.

after seeing some of the media attacks on the chap who lost everything in the fire out west nice to see some of his dogs did survive and were helped. " RSPCA Vs NGRU CEASE FIRE Well just for this post anyway... after all the RSPCA publicly attacked our group not so long ago. But we would like to think we're the level headed and more mature group that actually wants the best for our dogs. We wanted to highlight something regarding the Warren Jarvis tragedy that has gone untold. It's already known that the RSPCA and GRNSW attended Mr Jarvis's property soon after the devastating fire that killed most of his animals, including dozens of greyhounds, some of which were pets. After the surviving dogs were looked over by the RSPCA, they found some needed treatment for their burns. Long story short, they jumped back in their car and drove to the nearest vet to collect the required treatment. They then drove back to Warren's and showed him how to use it to get the best results. They provided it for free. This is the old RSPCA that we all want back! We want you guys to spend more time helping animals, rather than wasting money like groups such as Animals Australia do on lobbying the government to ban all animal sports and industries! Plus we would like to see you rehome more dogs and cats, you have the money and the resources to improve it, the public expect better. Animal rights has no place anywhere in this world, but animal welfare should be something everyone works together to achieve the best outcome for all animals. So please do more of what you did for Warren and his much loved hounds, and less of the anti-racing propaganda rubbish. " #AnimalWelfareNotAnimalRights " no I have never owned a greyhound or involved with the industry, although I do have more than a passing knowledge of DV and its impact

This government has plenty of balls when it comes to shutting the door to pensioners, anyone unfortunate to have to deal with centrelink, some one killed themselves last week because he couldn't cope with all the demand letters for return of payments yet they had been advised he had mental health issues and did not owe anything. As I said earlier cut the funding to shelters and domestic violence resources. Plenty of balls when it suits them whatever happened to innocent until PROVEN guilty, thousands should not be penalised for the few who do break the law. surely a domestic violence victim should have the same protection as a rabbit or any other species used for live baiting? at the moment that does not seen to be the case. although I suppose it would be a long bow to shut down marriage or defacto relationships to stop it happening? Thats what you are calling for as regards the greyhound owners, although it seems many value a dogs right to life and happiness, over and above someones spouse in the same danger..

very disheartening, but it shows whats next for the pet dogs, if cant guarantee no breeder neglects a dog then that too will be shut down, this is what is coming, one offender, all are guilty by association. When or if will it dawn on pet owners and breeders AR have brainwashed the public. A woman has died almost every week of this year due to domestic violence and they (by they, I mean our wonderful Prime Minister who has made no cuts to his or his ministers spending though) are shutting down funding and shelters so more will die. Yet all owners and breeders of greyhounds are guilty by association and pet owners and breeders are guilty by association when someone breaks the law, and just the same for pet breeds when the banner of puppy farm eradication is waved. who else sees hypocrisy in this scenario?

spotted this on fb, the AR are what is behind all these laws that are powering though everyone's rights and if people don't start saying no to for example that bunch of laws that at the moment has been stopped in Victoria making it illegal to have even one fertile dog, male or female without applying for an ABN and registering as a business,( if that gets though end of having a dog in just about every council area) not allowed to own more than 10. even more disgusting, you only are offered two options for your retired dog, euthanasia or re-home, whatever happened to your right to keep your dog in retirement? They will not stop trying to get it though unless those who want pets say no them. Read the photo, We already are struggling with the generation of kids who have never been taught the word NO. now they want our dogs and horses to be the same? HOW OUT OF TOUCH ARE ANIMAL RIGHTS GROUPS? Last week we featured Melbourne Against Horse-Drawn Carriages, a campaign run by the Animal Justice Party that considers even riding a horse "cruel" and a "form of domination". Their major protest of the year on Valentine Day's featured protestors photographed wearing metal bits, which they also consider to be cruel. Once the horse community become aware of this group, their claims and the ridiculous protest photos the post went viral and got flooded with thousands of comments from all around the world from people who love for, care for, and yes, RIDE their horses. The protest rapidly, and quite rightly, turned into a world wide laughing stock. MAHC's solution was just to delete the post featuring their main protest of the year, block everyone that disagreed with them (and pretend they were abusive), and ignore how out of touch they were. Yet they continue. Today MAHC have posted asking for stories about "breaking free" from the "manipulation, coercion" and "relentless power struggle" with animals. It is important to remember that this campaign is run by the Animal Justice Party and they are trying to convince animal lovers to vote for them. Let the AJP know you are an animal lover - and they DO NOT represent you. The Coalition for the Protection of Racehorses claim to not be against other horse activities. Yet all of their public spokespeople ran for election for the AJP - a political party that runs campaigns against even riding a horse. Animal rights campaigners often target popular and high profile causes via social media as a stepping stone to further their other agendas. We think it is time to show these animal rights groups how out of touch they are with the people who genuine love and care for their animals.

fascinating, rings true, applies equally to the show scene regardless of species " Developmental changes in pedigree dogs is not a natural event. They are created by a ''very small number of very influential people" called 'breed authorities' selecting, promoting, line and in - breeding on dogs, very often their own dogs or dogs they bred that possess what are for them desirable features. 'Very often' in their selection of dogs for a specific desirable feature [trait] there are linked traits, linked traits are not uncommon, some are apparent some are not. These linked traits may be less than desirable but they are considered to be acceptable 'collateral damage', in other words they are considered to be a small price one has to pay in order to establish the primary trait! The point I make is that there can often be promotion of undesirable traits because they are genetically linked to a real or perceived desirable trait! So when the question is asked ''why did ''they'' promote dog's with a curved spine, the answer is 'there is no reason, there was no reason' it just came with the package. And so the appropriate response if someone asks the question is don't try to explain it because that is an impossible task, simply say its a good thing! Because these people are very influential, dogs with their preferred features win at dog shows and those that do not lose and the genetic frequency of the traits good and bad increase until they become the norm and the breed evolves accordingly. Once a characteristic is entrenched, once it becomes the norm meaning only dogs possessing those traits win at dog shows even if it is a bad trait self interest being placed above the breeds best interests makes it ''very difficult'' to eradicate and if it is eradicated it can take a long time to do so." Here is the link it came from http://www.louisdonald.com/the-evolution-of-the-back-of-the-gsd.html

The QH has morphed too. this is the original King ranch horses and Wimpy. have to hang out till the 4 minute mark to see them actually moving not just posed. and this is the first legend to change them http://www.circledhorses.com/three_bars_story.htm Before Impressived changed everything into a whole different tangent These are horses, I admit, but should we question what changes/improvments are done to any breed or species promoted under the banner of "improved"?

The dogs I grew up with were along the lines of Hector v Linksreim. If the modern dropped back end is better than him, then why hasn't every shepherding breed lost is back end down to the ground? Fact is someone somewhere decided to morph the standard and label the result as "improved" Some agree its an improvement. the percentage who agree and who disagree would be interesting. But if you want to show it v pet, then cant rock the boat now the ship has sailed Hector is the first dog in the link below. for two entirely different species , he and Rahma (the pony pictured below) are remarkably similar prior to the improvement of his breed. ditto for the quarter horse of the 1960 compared to the photos of the world champions of 2016. https://www.google.com.au/search?q=EARLY+GERMAN+SHEPHERDS&client=firefox-b&tbm=isch&imgil=ZB0em8yYGYuulM%3A%3Bo84YRc1bPatKeM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fgermanshepherdsetc.com%252Fphylax-society%252F&source=iu&pf=m&fir=ZB0em8yYGYuulM%3A%2Co84YRc1bPatKeM%2C_&usg=__G-oXPXKS5xT_9YXLPHHD3QE5uX4%3D&biw=1920&bih=971&ved=0ahUKEwiN18vG2JjSAhXKFJQKHYUaBqwQyjcINA&ei=3L2nWI35Msqp0ASFtZjgCg#imgrc=ZB0em8yYGYuulM: Although Hector and his ilk certainly are conformationally on the same plane as a riding horse. The halter scene in the horse world has been busy making similar changes in alternate directions in the name of winning also, for example the american halter quarter horse, they lost their hocks https://equineink.com/2011/04/24/have-halter-horses-become-the-bodybuilders-of-the-equine-world/ This new breed of halter champion are on the main un rideable by 8 due to arthritis. The arabian pony below at 23, Ridden by their team Captain, was one of the team to enable New Zealand to win the first World Mounted Games held in the southern Hemisphere, at 32 she is still sound and arthritis free.

I was watching a class being judged last year and many of the dogs as they walked away from me couldn't even move without looking like they might fall their hinds, let alone those rubber joints were swaying from side to side so. the weakness was sickeningly apparent. gave crooked as a dogs hind leg a whole new meaning, from behind the bone from the hip to the stifle went in one direction , from stifle to hock another, and hock to foot another. From a side view, yes the bones angle, although as said here, they never did to the degree now strived for, but they sure are not supposed to to that degree from behind. the strain on the ligaments must be enormous I well remember the first hunching imports of the 'NEW" "IMPROVED" GSD's when they arrived and thought "have their breeders gone mad. sadly the lemmings flocked to the new track

you have good points, the problem is to race to eliminate puppy farms is what brought in that attempt to pass in victoria that laws which meant NO ONE could have more than 10 breeding dogs or cats, or I think? birds for that matter. that they would have to get an ABN and register as a business even if they had only ONE? even more upsetting to me anyway, it also had that a breeder had one of only two options for their retired dog. re home or euthanasia? THAT IS big brother gone mad. how dare they take away your right to keep your retired pets. AND just because you breed from your dog does not negate them from being your pets, ar are a pretty sick bunch

I was getting a puppy vaccinated and the subject came up with my vet. he suprised me very much and has had me really thining about the validity of what he said, hence my post above. He said "we need puppy farmers. I have nothing against puppy farms, as long as they are well looked after and socialised, no one will be able to find a pet if only registered few litters a year breeders are left. People need to get real there are over 24 million australians who need a pet . when will this madness stop and reality get a look in?"

probably wont earn me any brownie points, but I do not think a total ban is necessary, only for what is in actuality a very few days on the scale of the entire year the weather is nothing like that is no reason for a total ban year round. Although it seems we are now in the century of overkill gone over the top, the catch cry being just because it was done in the past is no reason to be allowed now. naysay to that and your left like those who were too scared to admit the emperor had no clothes The animal rights groups have spun the same tale and so many are too scared to speak up . for good reason . " about two weavers who promise an emperor a new suit of clothes that they say is invisible to those who are unfit for their positions, stupid, or incompetent. When the Emperor parades before his subjects in his new clothes, no one dares to say that they don't see any suit of clothes on him for fear that they will be seen as "unfit for their positions, stupid, or incompetent". Finally, a child cries out, "But he isn't wearing anything at all!" "

anyone seen the video? puppies, rabbits, guinea pigs, chooks and chickens panting in distress. My guess most of the rabbits would have died they really cope badly without frozen bottles to lie on or airconditioning. I lost two of my chooks this week and they had shade, cool water and breeze. those poor things might have shade but the water heats up just from the ambient temp and those tarps prevented the fans from reaching any but the pups http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/home/pets/13000-sign-petition-to-ban-parklea-markets-selling-pets-after-picture-of-heatdistressed-puppies-emerges/news-story/c0f87355a3a25dd6dd97f174c24c9e39

WOULDNT give up, I had a puppy stolen and incredibly 4 months later there she was on Trading post, her owner had apparently bought her at a market and was being transferred overseas. A friend had a puppy pinched over her fence, microchipped and council notified, 5 years down the track she has never been found to date, so obviously she has not been a stray yet or been to a vet who scanned her although I know my vet scanned a dog brought in for a fight injury and discovered he was listed as lost. phoned the registered owner to learn he had been stolen 2 years prior. she was over the moon to get him back so it can happen but you have to be patient and lucky or in my case persistant in checking for sale adds

The most famous case of video faking was the one that the Australian Government were so outraged over they shut down the live export market and cost graziers billions, many lost their properties and some their lives because of the stress. In that case too the outrage swept all before it and government acted without investigating its authenticity. It was many months before it was learned the workers in the video had been asked to perform for the video and none of the cattle in it were Australian and the ear tags displayed supposedly of the cattle slaughtered in the video had been taken from cattle already slaughtered legally in another facility,, weeks before the video was filmed. as far as I am aware those responsible have to date, not been charged or held accountable for the tremendous damage they caused?

Not sure if Brave is the right word, I said it without realising the roof would fall in on me. Wasn't trying to be brave just remind them, but it seemed to fall on plugged ears and didn't work. The word "ethical" seems to be some sort of ear plug to stop anything said that isn't in line with the "to be ethical you have to do or be xyz" ? weird It never ceases to amaze me how so many become registered breeders and how little they actually know not only about genetics but the reproduction of this species. one idiot and thats the only word to use, desexed her best (and only) bitch because the neighours foxi got in and mated her, the reason she gave me? She is now contaminated and every litter now can have foxi x in one or the whole litter. Dogs are NOT GUPPIES folks. but she would not listen, the bitch was desexed and end of generations of great dogs. doah? talk about old wives tales being alive and well even today

off topic or is it? humans dont seem to learn by their mistakes if this is anything to go by http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tobias-stone/history-tells-us-what-will-brexit-trump_b_11179774.html

Yes , an impossible task, so many variables. my favorite working dog was my friend Les Ellery's kelpie. he had put an injured filly in a separate paddock so it would be easier to catch and clean her wounds twice a day.. each time he would send his kelpie to bring her into the yards. except day 3 she was in the far corner under the tree, other side of the fence was the main herd . she flatly refused to leave the herd. The kelpie looked to Les for orders. Les meanwhile was rolling with laughter at the dogs predicament. he said his dog gave him a totally disgusted look and it was as if he shurgged his shoulders, tossed Les's order to bring her in and instead jumped the fence and brought the entire mob up along the fenceline to the stockyards. meanwhile the filly now all alone, followed along the fence and also arrived at the stockyards. Dog leapt the fence, drove her the last feet through the open gate and sat in the gateway looking fiercely at Les. Les said his message unmistakable NOW! GET YOU SORRY ASS OVER HERE AND SHUT THE GATE! Wonder how the scientists would rate that, in Australia its called initiative and our working dogs have it in spades

When the code of ethics for Dogs NSW included this. " 8. A Member shall not breed a bitch that results in it whelping more than twice in eighteen months without the prior approval of the Board of Directors except under extenuating circumstances where application for registration of the litter may be considered by the Board of Directors. 9. A Member shall not breed a bitch that results in it whelping more than twice in two years without the prior written approval of a Veterinary Surgeon certifying her fitness to carry and whelp the third litter. 10. A Member shall not breed a bitch that results in it whelping more than six times without prior veterinary certification of fitness for further breeding and without prior approval of the Board of Directors except under extenuating circumstances where application for registration of the litter may be considered by the Board of Directors" My vets comment was they certainly did not bother to liase with any reproduction specalist vets. The species canine in his opinion should not be bred so infrequently. That a bitch is better off having her litters when she is young (the norm before was the majority of bitches had their litters before they turned 4 or 5 and were retired, either desexed and rehomed or retired and kept as pets) but the breeder should have the right to that decision as there really is never going to be a one size fits all where individuals are concerned) litter spacing decided by the breeder and their vet, if she had large litters some bitches need to be rested, those with small litters would be better off being bred on each to not only give the breeder greater choice to choose from, but reduce obesity in bitches which have small litters and therefore can have weight issues if left unbred too long between. It also flies in the face of the fact that older mothers, human included produce a higher percentage of chromosome abnormalities including mongolism, its now documented in dogs too I well remember when I asked why such a blanket ruling, I bred Chihuahua's at the time and one of my best bitches never had more than one pup per (cough) "litter" if anyone can call one pup a litter that is? her best pup was the result of her 7th litter. now of course banned and she had all 7 in a row bred every 6 months, now that stupid rule is in place she would only possibly have managed to produce 5 pups maximum in her lifetime. no Matter that the large breed bitches produce anything from 10 to 18 PER LITTER! YET I had to put up with them yelping that I should stop wingeing and be satisfied with what I got. I suggested then if this utterly stupid code come into force then no breeder be permitted more than 15 puppies per bitch and she be retired, regardless of breed since few toy breeders were ever going to be allowed even that number of puppies to choose their next generation from, if its forced on one percentage of the membership then the rest should cope with the same restrictions too. Surely fair, should be fair to all? The real problem was the code of ethics was not formulated to work with the best practice for either the health and well being of the bitches or the selection of the best puppies for the next generation. It was formulated to pander too and appease the animal libbers and the Politically correct in the frantic hope the KC's would be left off the persecution list. doesn't seem to have worked at all does it, if the latest attacks from Victoria in the form of that latest legislation that was so almost shoved through. 1 bitch and you had to become a registered business with an ABN? NO one allowed to have more than 10 fertile dogs. utter nonsense. look at the world famous breeders who created and maintained the breeds we know today, never happen again with the incredible genetic selection restrictions being called for and pushed for now No sign yet the libbers or Peta have put down the gun does it? pandering to them is not going to achieve anything, Their Brief is not the elimination of puppy farms, it is the elimination of the domestic dog. read their own websites. I should reword that, Pandering to them is going to achieve the elimination of the domestic dog by genetic bottlneck, too few being bred, too few to select from, mission will be accomplished. unless those of us who want to keep their dogs wake up before its too late. if it isnt too late already for many breeds, hopefully the blinkers will fall off before its too late for all

spot on. in the early 80's it became more and more people were being told " to be ethical" you must not breed to supply people with a puppy, "to be ethcal" you only breed a litter to continue your line. There were many who also came out with "to be ethical" you cant ask a price for your extra puppies you dont keep, to make a profit is to be a SHOCK, HORROR, PUPPY FARMERS. ONLY a puppy farmers breeds to make money. I have heard so much along these lines and as I was told each, asked, if only those who have sufficient money to breed and except a loss that leaves only the rich allowed to continue a breed? even then when the KC did a survey they discovered to their suprise 90 of members are only registered breeders for 6 years or less. of remaining 10% the membership that had been breeders 15 years or more and were the actually backbone the majority were pensioners and their pin money came from their puppy sales. I believed then and I am sure now, this crap that those so desperate to get on and stay on the so called "ethical" bandwaggon were being conned by the animal libbers spreading this junk

now that would be a really great initiative wouldn't it