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the wonderful thing about microchips is she is forever connected to you. I so hope that phone call is comming soon. I know my vet was astonished one day,had a lovely dog brought in for stitches for an injury, he scanned him and discovered he had been reported lost or stolen 3 years earlier, his owner were overjoyed so although we are so praying for you she comes home tonight. It doesnt mean it might be tomorrow next week whatever. It was 3 months before those chips found my girls back home. The weird thing was although they were tens of miles apart they were home within days of each other. soon as they were sold and yes it was their chips did the job even though their new owners had been told they were not chipped. one scan revealed the truth.

does that make any? sense?

The thread is about the failure of a charity to do the job they advertise is founded for "all creatures , great and small" Also the failure of the people we elect to parliment to formulate laws to not only make this runaway accountable or held to account or even consider let alone implement the very sensible suggestions made in that letter. Do you not wonder, just a little, why our politicions are so hands OFF, this charity? With multi millions invested yet not usable? Yet had no trouble creating the ICCC to investigate so many other places and departments, one of which many of the inspectorate are ex employee's of? These employee's could be subject to investigation in their former employment in the Police force, yet now in positions of far greater powers even over their former bosses now, with no such accountabilty whatever? Why? Why not? Is this employer so good they never make a mistake in recruitment? Yet the previous employer had found occasionaly problems occurred that brought in the ICCC to investigate?

Considering this was submitted to Parliment and and enquiry on the subject is even in the Hansard. Nothing has been done to implement this mans recommendations....why on earth not? 3rd June 2010 The Honorable Members General Purpose Standing Committee No.5 Inquiry into the R S P C A raid on the Waterways Wildlife Park Dear Members, My full name is Leon Andrew Mills and I have resided in Gunnedah since 1982, I moved to Gunnedah as a result of my applying for the Police Prosecutors position for the Gunnedah Local Court Circuit. I continued in that position until my retirement in 2006. In 2008 I stood in the Local Government elections and was successful in gaining office as a Gunnedah Shire Councillor. I am still in that position today. The two submission I would like the Honorable Committee to consider are that the compliance section of the RSPCA 9RSPCA Inspectors) be disbanded and that all the duties that they try to perform in relation to the investigation and brief preparation for alleged offences under the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act 1979 (the Act), be given to sworn Constables of the NSW Police Force in particular the Rural Crime Unit. My second submission is that all prosecutions under the Act by done by Police Prosecutors in the Local Court jurisdiction. RSPCA Inspectors obtain their powers s a result of being issued an Authority under .section 4D(2) of the Act. In relation to this Inquiry it is clear that Inspectors Prowse and French have no idea of their powers. I say that on this basis, the Act is clear in relation to what an inspector can do and is set out in Division 2 of the Act. On the Friday following the taking of the Koalas a report was broadcast on the 6.30am local A B C News that Officer Prowse said the reason for taking the Koalas was that they were “stressed”. There is no power under the Act to take an animal that is stressed. It alledging distress, as referred to in Section 24H subsection (5) of the Act, there is no evidence at all that any of these animals were suffering debility, exhaustion or significant physical injury. To support what I am submitting, the Honorable Committee would note that the Officers examined the Koalas at about 10.30-11am. They gave no treatment to these Koalas from that time until after 4.30pm, why? There was nothing wrong with them, and of course we are talking about Officers that would be expected to take immediate action if an animal was suffering debility, exhaustion or significant physical injury. These two Officers had to do something and they illegally removed these Koala for the sole purpose of the T V show R S P C A Animal Rescue. To further support this submission the head of the R S P C A Mr Steve Coleman said no proceedings would be taken against Nancy Small as a result of community outrage. I completely reject this statement. As a former Police Prosecutor of 28 years both in the city and country on rare occasions there is community outrage when some proceedings are taken. I have never before heard of proceedings for a criminal matter being abandoned or not brought because of community outrage. The reason there were no proceedings brought was that there was nothing wrong with these animals. Offences under the act are Criminal. Officers French and Prowse were supposed to be “investigating” this matter. It is interesting to note the quality of this so called investigation. No interview with Nancy Small or any other carers of these Koalas. No exhibits such as, stool samples, feed provided in the Koala enclosure, photos for identifications of each Koala, no tagging for identification. When one looks at the R S P C A Seizure Notice re this matter S N 010 16 the Officers have not even identified the Koalas to the extent of their sex. This so called investigation is absolutely pathetic and shows the quality of how RSPCA inspectors carry out their duties. The N S W police have a branch now called the Rural Crime Unit these branches operated both in the city and country. They are staffed by sworn Police who have been fully trained in investigation techniques. Many of these Officers are fully trained Detectives. It would be my respectful submission that these officers should take over the compliance section of the R S P C A. Of course it would require extra staff and resources. It would be my suggestion that appropriate funding could be transferred from the funding the State Government gives to the R S P C A to the Police Budget. Another benefit of a transfer to Police is that all Police investigations are subject to review by independent authorities such as the Ombudsman or I C A C. This is not the case with R S P C A inspectors, they answer to no one other than themselves. On the 18th of February last I attended the local branch meeting of the R S P C A as the head of the organization Mr Steve Coleman was attending. During the course of the meeting he answered a number of questions re the Waterways incident. Mrs. Dodd asked him a question being, “who can I complain to”, Mr Coleman’s response was “the Chief Inspector of the RS S P C A”. From a community point of view in this day and age it is totally unacceptable that we have an organization such as this that when a complaint comes in they investigate themselves. The subject Koalas were living in a happy well cared for environment when they were illegally removed by Inspectors French and Prowse. One of the females had a baby Koala in her pouch that Mrs Small was aware of. I have been told that the R S P C A Inspectors became aware of this fact over the 48 hours following their removal. One of the other Koalas was an elderly female that Mrs Small has described as the “Old Lady”. Mrs Small has never denied that this Koala was elderly and whilst ever in good health could live out her days in the Koala Enclosure. Both these Koalas that were supposed to being cared for by Inspectors French and Prowse are now dead so I ask this question what investigation has the RSPCA done in relation to the deaths of these Koala or am I correct in assuming that when an animal dies because of the ignorance or lack of care by that inspector no investigation takes place. This is another example as to why the Police should take over these responsibilities so that when this type of incident occurs it can be properly investigated or reviewed by an appropriate authority. I referred earlier in this document to the fact that prior to my retirement I was the police Prosecutor for the Gunnedah Court Circuit. During the 1980’s and 1990’s and in some cases still to this day besides representing Police informants in Court Police prosecutors represent many other entities, for example, Probation and Parole, National Parks and Wildlife, D O C S, Roads and Traffic Authority and the RSPCA. Over the years until about 2000, every so often I would receive a brief from an RSPCA Inspector who would be the informant usually in more than one information. If the matter was a “not guilty” plea I would present the case on behalf of the informant. If the offence or offences were proved some costs would be sought by the Informant that would usually be for witness expenses and any fodder that may have been required to give to the animals in question. No Legal professional costs were ever sought. In addition a fact I feel is relevant is that Police Prosecutors DPP Prosecutors and Crown Prosecutors have a duty to place all the evidence before the Court. Each carries a custodial penalty of 2 years imprisonment. True there is a difference in the monetary penalty but goal is the most severe penalty for a Criminal Offence. A common assault is one where the victim suffers no serious injury. For some reason the Parliament does not view aggravated cruelty as a serious offence at law. The RSPCA since about 2000, to my knowledge, have been engaging private solicitors to conduct their prosecutions and one might ask why did they move to this system. It is my submission that this practice should cease and that Police Prosecutors should conduct the prosecutions for the RSPCA. I say that on this basis. By engaging private Solicitors or barristers there is no obligation on them to place before the Court evidence that may disadvantage their case. Legal and Professional Costs come into play. If their prosecution is successful they would ask for these costs. It seems unbelievable that recently in one of their prosecutions at Narrabri an amount in excess of a quarter of a million dollars was sought for costs in a matter heard in the Local Court, and as I said before, an offence not serious at law. In conclusion it is my humble opinion that inspectors French and Prowse have no knowledge in respect to their obligations under the Act and it is clear they see their careers more in the field of TV and to add insult to injury when asked a question by myself about the TV show RSPCA Animal Rescue and their role in this incident when he attended Gunnedah on the 18th February last, Mr Coleman’s explanation was and I quote, “the Officers had been on another job with them and when they said they were going to Gunnedah the crew said we might just tag along” end quote. I informed him that I did not accept that explanation at all. It’s a sad situation when the head of such an organization is trying to assist the coverup. Yours faithfully Leon Mills Councilor Gunnedah Shire Council

I don't think such a nirvana exists! I work in a place where I do not deal with customers, and I deal with some extremely rude people - they just work in the same company as I do!! Don't you think thats why pets a so good for us. ) We dont have to guess what they are thinking, you know instantly if they like you, dont care, or if they dont like you its pretty obvious before they attack instead of finding the knife first then working from there. Far less stressful.

Rather Ties in well with this I saw today. An old Cherokee told his grandson, “my son, there is a battle between two wolves inside us all. One is evil. It is anger, jealousy, greed, resentment, inferiority, lies and ego. The other is Good. It is joy, peace, love, hope humility, kindness, empathy and truth.” The boy thought about it, and asked, “Grandfather, which wolf wins?” The old man quietly replied, “The one you feed.”

Dont think I though you wern't taking all care. I just thought to warn you how incredibly determined I discovered the two cattledogs I mentioned were. the runs I had them in were the height you said and over the decades Ive had Cattledogs only that pair got out, In Jodies case she then proceeded to get back along with the chicken Couldnt believe it except the gate was still firmly shut and the feathers still there to prove she had gone visiting without leave. I had others that wouldnt even think about leaving over a one metre fence.

I would be interested in your impresions. :) I have seen them and crosses before but never had to deal with them closely and on a daily basis. I am making sure one exercise yard is escape proof and unable to be climbed out of as I hear they are as nimble as a cat and I won't risk her climbing out. All the runs are escape proof but the yards are not fully enlosed(as in over the top) - yet!Theya re 1.8metres high adn double fenced but I am not taking any risks. Will let you know how I find her :) When I was a young child a local lady had a Fox she kept as a pet. He has his own run and a very securely fenced yard and was only taken out on a leash, not that he seemed to mind, he loved pats and was a very curious creature. I don't remember him smelling? but I was only around 5 I would be seriously putting a roof on the pen or yard. Jodi my cattle girl would leave any time she decided the pups needed a fresh chicken and she wasnt a dingo. she was a rokeglen red cattledog, she was a very agile lump. benni our sons cattledog too could not be contained unless it had a roof. not worth the drama after the event, I assure you

In Ireland there are ten controlled breeds: In the UK there are four breeds of banned dogs. It's worth reading the UK legislation (I've put the link at the bottom of the quote). Because this is the outcome of the Coroner's recommendation. Animal control officers can, and do, seize dogs off the street, on the basis of how they look, even if the dog has no history of bad behavioiur and doing nothing other than having a particular appearance. There are no mentions in either legislation of "Irish Staffys". Staffords and other dogs, including pedigreed dogs with papers are restricted in many European countries. Germany has 42 breeds of dog with restrictions placed on them, and bans on " Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, and the Bull Terrier." In fact Germany has some of the strictest dog laws and is one of the most dog unfriendly countries in Europe. They had four fatal dog attacks in 2010, although their breed legislation was introduced in 2001. Across Europe there were 15 fatal dog attacks. That is out of a human population of nearly 750 million. I'm fascinated by the constant inclusion of the Fila, Dogo and Tosa in these lists. I can't find any statistics on dog attacks on South America right now, but I'd be interested to see them if anyone has the stats. But the Dogo, Fila and Tosa are rare breeds outside their own countries, so clearly their inclusion in the lists across Australia, the UK and Europe is based on myth rather than any evidence. If anyone is interested in the history of BSL, Karen Delise's book "The Pit Bull Placebo" is available for free download as an ebook from the National Canine Research Council. www.nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/ thanks for the link, she has it nailed all right, page 35 for example. "Cuban Bloodhound, Siberian Bloodhound, British Bloodhound—it matters little, for when these breeds left the hands of those looking for a vicious tracking, attack, or guard dog, severe and fatal attacks by these breeds virtually disappeared from newspaper reports. As owners looking for a new intimidation dog turned their attentions in the early 20th century towards the Bulldog and German Shepherd, the Bloodhound population stabilized and Bloodhound ownership largely returned to the true admirers of the breed. This scenario would repeat itself over the next century; as certain breeds became increasingly popular in negative functions, and subsequently more popular with substandard owners, incidents of aggression within the breed would increase. When breed popularity decreases with substandard owners and returns into the hands of more serious enthusiasts, incidents of aggression decrease."

Staffordshire Bull Terriers aren't a banned breed in Ireland. The Irish Staffordshire bull Terrier, not to be confused with a SBT bred in Ireland, is banned as a pitbull type by the U.K. As is the Amstaff b.t.w. I am reasonablely sure the SBT is banned in Germany, along with the Bull Terrier & the Bull mastif. The concern for these breeds now is Germany is pushing for a common law for the entire E.U. regarding breed restrictions. If successful (unlikely) it would mean the SBT would be banned all E.U countries. I am a little bemused that a veterinarian could simply declare a dog to be an Amstaff. If push came to shove I doubt such an identification would be upheld by a court of law. Such a challenge would be interesting though. An Amstaff without ANKC registration papers as proof of breed is, for all intents & purposes, a pitbull. this link explains a lot http://www.petforums.co.uk/dog-chat/9535-english-staffy-vs-irish-staffy.html

Actully I was suprised Sheridan became so upset. Seemed to me it was just a misunderstanding, nothing should let this get derailed, its too important everyone works for her safe return.

I have threatened my vets life and health but he maintain's he did his job, mother nature makes the dammed stuff not just in the teste's. I know he is telling the truth, he even removes all the cord he can as well........ what else is there to take?

Want the good news only? or the 11% of bad news? That's the percentage the vets tell us anyway that there is NO significnt testosterone level drop. considering in the past, no one told our cat he was now a neuter so spent the remaining 18 years of his life maintaining his top cat in the block reputation... Then theres doofer, nobody told him and hes now 7 years old. Then theres the welsh cob, gelded at 6 months, great teaser, the mares fall to their knees to him Then theres Drama, gelded at 4 months, well, again the mares head for him like bees to honey. somehow this place looks like every one of the 11% landed here..

One would presume not seeing as this is the name being advertised from pillar to post to find her. Ridiculous question. Thank you for your valuable contribution. Happy to delete my FB request to Australian friends to share the topic if my question is just too ridiculous. I'll especially ask the Queenslanders given Donatella's rudeness. you forgot it wasnt the pups owner who had a shot at you, remember?

I know when my sick pup was stolen my vet only gave her a 50/50 chance of survival without her medications. lucky for her she survived, although even the police had a laugh when they were caught said I should be charged, she was so sick it was 3 months before they could sell her? Like that the? are you only allowed healthy animals for theives????????

I feel so sorry for you and your darling puppy, there are people around who really scare me now these days. People are being taught to despise anyone who breeds, I even had one woman challenge me "how could you breed and sell your own childs babies"? Like when the "fur baby" stuff began, I never dream't some people really cant differientate between a human child and a dog? Soon as some discover you bred her the attacks begin, although there is another element who decide you must have deserved it if your pup was stolen. There's some really weird people. Many think Im really weird, because nowdays I dont trust anyone, anymore, unless Ive known them for years or I have friends who have and can vouch for them. I know some of mine have had some weird names over the years. Im apalled at some of the comments I've read here already. But good manners or having any care for other peoples feelings seem to dissappear at light speed when its on the internet. Remember the majority of people are wishing and praying for your puppies speedy recovery. Only a tiny minority drive in the hurt, pity its so painful you tend to forget it's so few they dont deserve noticing.

That last pair came across as a real nice chap, his wife seemed equally nice and as pretty as Paris Hilton . To discover their real line of work, and had so many knives, plus the gun in their car and to boot when they were arrested were as the police said "high on ice" . Thanks to the lady who had bought one of my puppies from them she arrnged to meet them to see another they had for sale, except the police arrived instead. how would you feel to discover someone like that could turn up at your place after they already knew their way around it now?

Well right now I have a couple of bushies in my kitchen discussing this very thread. They have known many domesticated dingos, including some whose owners were not even aware that their dog was a dingo. They cannot remember a single incident that caused any complaints by neighbours as to temprement or agression being an issue, every one they knew was an excellent happy pet. The funniest being those city folk who had rescued what they had perceived as an abandoned pup found in the bush and didnt know it was any but a lost pup. One lady for example, found hers semi paralysed with ticks, the other similarly sick and half starved near a road where they stopped for a picnic. The old bushies knew instantly though. This breeding and advertising them is a new thing. The opinion in the kitchen is there is far less danger to the public from a dingo pup home reared than any of the BSL breeds so fail to see why are the reasons against them being kept being voiced here. I have to say if anything any dingo I owned or knew well where quiet dogs that would run away not attack. So true, they would never the the dog of choice for the ego extentionist's. To be called a "dingo" by a bushi is no compliment is it? Like their cousins the cattledog, they tend to dissappear , then wait for the better opportunity to get what they want when your not looking if its food. Love the way they dont think its wrong to pinch something if you dont see them. First trick dad taught me, you trick them to think you have not only eyes in the back of your head, but can see through walls. LOL Although unlike the cattledogs most dont reappear behind an unaccompanied stranger if they lobb into your dogs home yard or go for the heels either . Never ceases to amaze me how many people end up stuck at the owners home unable to get back out the gate because they dont know its not best practice to enter someones yard if no one is at home and a cattledog is there. Although some like Debbie do the stand, and do not enter from the first they see a stranger. theres the darlings that let them in then stand guard and wont let them out. the Most embarrassing was finding my new landload waiting for me when I arrived home from work, I had only rescued my new cattledog from the liverpool pound 3 weeks before. she was a corker. At least he only had to wait and hour and a half, or I might have been looking for a new home

What really gets me, is why didnt someone call a doctor, why the papers? Surely this cannot in any shape or form be classed as in the public interest. My sole thought but couldnt figure how to word , and maybe not well anyway, where in this did anyone even consider the interests of the children concerned. Their lives will be impacted by this photo of their mother to a degree that could lead to bullying of the most nasty kind. We see here how nasty things can get here just on a forum. Here we are being told about it in another country. When I first saw I simply didnt want to know. tried to think well its the norm in some places and wouldnt attact a second glance. BUT to be a mum and involve your babies, well young children, to the teasing, the embarrassment, the humiliation of "I SAW YOUR MUM in the paper"........that is who the real victums are here. If the mother could not see that , where where the reporters minds?

Oord, I found this one re Judy Guard but not the main one so far http://www.dolforums.com.au/topic/209593-judy-gard-all-done/page__st__15

For some strange reason I am getting this irrepressible feeling you just might have a talent for ruffling feathers, not just on a forum. It does sound like you might have been lucky they didnt have any tar and feathers handy :) from one who's been known to a thread without even realising I'd dropped a bomb

Well right now I have a couple of bushies in my kitchen discussing this very thread. They have known many domesticated dingos, including some whose owners were not even aware that their dog was a dingo. They cannot remember a single incident that caused any complaints by neighbours as to temprement or agression being an issue, every one they knew was an excellent happy pet. The funniest being those city folk who had rescued what they had perceived as an abandoned pup found in the bush and didnt know it was any but a lost pup. One lady for example, found hers semi paralysed with ticks, the other similarly sick and half starved near a road where they stopped for a picnic. The old bushies knew instantly though. This breeding and advertising them is a new thing. The opinion in the kitchen is there is far less danger to the public from a dingo pup home reared than any of the BSL breeds so fail to see why are the reasons against them being kept being voiced here.

smf = small and fluffy the rest of the question I would have a clue.

german shepherd - to the specs of the guy that created the breed, not the funny looking dumbed down ones called german shepherds by the breed registry (ok thats baiting couldn't help myself), why do you ask? Why did you put what you did then? the old type dogs were heaps better soundness wise than the super new shape? although I do remember some of the old type had some serious issues re biting any not their owner and smf's endangerment as you said. One of the reasons we were not allowed to have one. A neighbour was accidently killed by his own GSD one night, he couldnt find his front door key, and it was pouring rain so he rushed around the back without calling to his dog first. He took the dog by suprise and he bit first then realised who he had bitten. Unfortunately a tooth severed the coroid artery and he died before the ambulance arrived. So parents stuck with cattledogs to guard the business and its surrounds. Had a building supply company. amazing how bags of concrete could walk before the dogs became part of the place dad used to say.

I thought this was sort of answered previously, here it is. At the time it did leave me scratching my head, are they working dogs that cant be "pet's". Cannot recall any bully breeds used for livestock guarding or working. Or what breeds for that matter can be at risk to the degree they can "never being able to relax for a minute when the public are involved, in fact they rarely get exposed to the general public and when they do its under strict physical controls and restraints, self imposed constraints by a responsible dog owner, sux for me and my dogs in some ways as they are almost completely isolated from the public and will never be allowed to just hang out at a dog show or whatever" Certainly had me wondering "what breed is that" Obviously not a dingo anyway, was the only conclusion I managed.