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Im happy for you to ask me as many questions as you like. If you dont want to do that here you can do it privately . somehow I had it in my head you bred chihuahua's ... just from what I know of you, she couldnt go wrong.. I got my first registered cattle dog on breeders terms, in her case, he put her in pup, got the pick of the litter and she was mine. as I never kept more than one or two, over the years I trusted some 5 people with the same to help them thinking return the favour, but only one kept their word. so go into it knowing you might only find 1 in 5 or thereabouts turns out ok. the reasons it all falls apart are many and varied not always either partys fault either, accidents can also happen as well. The most frustrating was the nit that decided in season was yuk and desexed her without even asking if I would look after her till she was off. the only girl I ever had as good as her won best in show....... so it wasnt a small disaster

Generally I would suggest you find a couple of breeders you like the sound of, phone them up regardless if they are advertising puppies or not. Say you are interested in a male/female PET puppy and if a conversation ensues, whether or not pups are available, you can follow your gut instinct on them. Someone who is happy to have a chat & will tell you the good and bad of the breed - health, behavioural tendencies, temperament etc - even if they don't have pups to sell you are probably going to be good to deal with. If all they can do is bad-mouth other breeders and tell you horror stories about dogs that don't live in their yard, gently put the phone down and RUN away. Upshot is if you find a couple of people you can talk to about the breed, they will almost certainly be able to direct you to litters bred by like-minded people who will be breeding dogs because they love the breed, not to make money or just to win in the showring but because they respect the breed's heritage and cherish it's future. Don't be over-awed by a "super show dog breeder" - show ring success isn't the be-all and end-all (says me who has been showing dogs for more than 30 years). Most breeders I hang around with are just happy to breed healthy typical-looking pups, keep what they hope is the best (we're usually wrong :laugh: ) and sell the rest to people who will give them a great home for life - people like you. absolutley agree once you find a breeder like that, your home and hosed.they are out there, dont despair, in our chi club thats just what you get. We know heaps of people who might have just what you want if they havent.Just dont know nyone with beagels sorri

know what you mean, some are incredibly nice, some give u the impression, pass the money thanks.goodbye. others you feel so intimadated because you might not be good enough to be trusted with a pup. yet all three could hve awesome dogs. n equally all three could have transformers. you really do need to do your own homework and not just rely on how nice or not the people are, or seem. I still laugh at the two international judges who told me to keep x pup as he was the best prospect to run on. he turned out to be the worst off type pup at maturity in the litter. the one i adored that none of them liked at 8 weeks , turned out to be a stunner. so there is also great variation in a single litter and the variations at that age are very tiny but change and morph amazingly as they grow too. although to a pet person I expect what I see as big diferences they would be saying something "but all chinese(doberman's,rottie's,cavalier's,chihuahua's beagle')s look the same" but over the decades, somthing ive always noticed, a pet home buyer almost with out exception zeros in on the puppy i think is the best in the litter. judges i wonder are soo looking at the details they forget to look at the overall picture. when really that is what we want, the overall balanced pup. any takers on that thought?

what your best bet is, learn what problems are in the breed so you at least know what you dont want in a pup. word of mouth is the best , if you see a dog you really like, ask the owner, where did you get it. Ive ended up with some of the best dogs that way. once I was riding past a property, saw an amazing dog, asked was he registered and did they stand him at stud and not only ended up owning the dog, but discovering his dad was my all time favourite of his breed.

Then you have the breeders who probably bred the parents of the outstanding pups mentioned before, but their price is more along the lines of the quality pups. It takes a certain amount of luck, and a lot of reasearch so you know what you are looking at before you buy. many of the highst prices are good ones, but then I have seen one a chap paid 3,000 for, guaranteed tea cup chi. well it was when he bought it. n it fitted very neatly in a teacup. except the breeder neglected to mention it was probably lucky if it was 5 weeks old at the time though. fortunately it survived. even if it grew as big as a cat , as the breeder explained, IT was a TEACUP when he sold it....

When things go right a breeder can make a nice profit. BUT woe betide any who admit that, or puppy farmer comes flying in all directions. So we are supposed to be pious breeding for the good of the breed and at a loss if you want to avoid the 'unethical' tag and all that hate comming with it. as for costs. Some have a litter and dont intend to breed again and i have seen some amazing quality pups go for a joke of a price. Equally I have seen pups at the same price that once they achieve adulthood, leave the owners wondering "what breed is that" some people simply advertise a litter as the breed it looks like most, baby puppies can pass for something they will not even resemble with maturity. hence the amazing pet shop transformers.

the above and this are from a very old thread. The vet's experience has absolutely nothing to do with the puppy's condition. The vet did an ovariohysterectomy - removal of the ovaries stops the manufacture of oestrogen. Without the oestrogen being present for the physical growth of the puppy, her normal development ceased the moment those ovaries were removed. She has been left with an immature vulva, and will always have the vulva of a puppy, even when she is adult - the same thing happens with large breed males - their penis never achieves normal appearance and size, which can look really silly on a great dane for instance! She will have problems for the rest of her life, and no amount of artificial hormones will make up for her lack of development. Poor baby! I've seen the same in 2 large breed bitch puppies. I'm sure the breeder was doing what they considered to be the responsible thing, with their Vets support. I could never do it to such a young puppy though, my Vet refuses anyway. Breeders really are being put between a rock and a hard place. my vet wont either for the reasons above and the joint growth problems that can occur as well

Rubbish. It simply is NOT in the best interests of the animal from a growth and health perspective. Responsible buyers WILL overwhelmingly desex their pets and the dogs benefit from their hormones as they grow. Giant breeds desexed at 6 weeks? I shudder at the thought. agree 100% also agree 100% the people who do this tend to be working on the army's hypothis, to work their figures from the lowest demoninator in their force. ignoring the fact that 99 out of 100 people really do, do the right thing. The people who do desex at such a young age prefer to do so despite proven not to be in the puppies best interests because like the army they are working on addressing the lowest denominator in the human equation. tough luck for the affected, both the dog and its owner. eg Met a friend's gorgeous Akita pup this morning - lovely type and nature, absolutely gorgeous pup, which her proud owner had waited ages for. The pup's "responsible" breeder, insisted on desexing her at 8 weeks, prior to leaving home. My friend's vet wrote a letter, asking for this to be delayed to let the bitch mature a little first, and a desexing contract was offered, but to no avail. She was desexed. In the months since then, the poor pup's vulva has not grown and developed normally, and the constant pooling of urine has caused an ongoing maintenance nightmare, with infections, vet trips and constant cleaning after every time the bitch pees. Which of course can't be done when the owner is at work. The pup has been in constant distress at the smell and discomfort, as has the owner, not to mention the embarrassment whenever the pup has rolled on her back for a tummy rub from friends, revealing unsightly, smelly genitalia. Certainly hope that this breeder is pleased with destroying the quality of life for this poor girl - understand that as it was an interstate sale, she couldn't be sure that the new owner was totally responsible, but why not do a refund on provision of a desexing certificate, or just do a hysterectomy, leaving the essential hormones intact? Any breeder that desexes such a large breed as an Akita at 8 weeks should not be breeding IMO - they certainly don't care about their dogs.

If Hybrid Vigour is quoted explain that true Hybrd Vigour only exists in many generations of "survival of the fittest" (ie. the Heinz mutt) and not in domestic planned breeding. Thats not 'hybrid vigor'. thats defective gene culling. true hybrid vigor is the crossing of completely unrelated breeds, eg Hereford x angus, for example. the resulting calves can weigh up to 75 kg more than their respective purebred calves. mulitily that over a couple of hundred an thats pretty significant additional income. it is a very well known practice to get heavier calves at an earlier age. but keeping the x bred's and breeding from them does not have the same effect the only way to still get an effect, albeit in a reduced level is a third cross to another unrelated breed. but thats the end of the line. to continue you need the purebreeds to cross with each other again. So the purebred seed stock as the cattle producers call them needs to be maintained, bulls recently sold to $20,000 to be used for just that purpose. the extreme example are the meat chickens, the two breeds in their pure form grow and mature normally. the cross bred chicks cannot survive to adulthood, they grow so fast and become so heavy their bones can no longer support the weight until they cannot walk if they are not processed at the optimum age for slaughter. used to work there and some took them home to rescue. every one of them became a cripple. thats how strongly hybrid vigor can be. the basic idea in dog breeding though is to reduce the incidence of Homozygous genes and thus the influence of as many recessive genes as possible so they cannot express in the pups. the catch though is instead of selecting for the ones without the deletrious recessive you have instead created a population of carriers which when mated with another unknown status carrier your back to creating homozoygous litters. the catch in the champion to champion unrelated sires only, your skirting round ever knowing which do not carry the genes you didnt want. thats where line and in breeding came in, by mating sire to daughter or mother to son you could discover if the sire or the dam were not carriers. those which were could then be removed from the breeding group. line breeding you will never know for sure which is the carrier. it has been a very successful across the board dna testing tool (that tested for every gene in the parent, unlike the single tests for the few there are tests available now we have the new very limited tool on the block) since man began breeding livestock, but the animal rights group removed that one too now.

Reading this, made me realise why so many people see so many different perspectives to what others see entirely differently... simply brilliant. A Matter of Perspective TWO WOMEN - are having a coffee and catching up: So, how was your evening last night? A disaster! After getting home, my dear beloved hubby wolfed down in 4 minutes the dinner that took me all afternoon to prepare, "granted" me 3 minutes of passionate love before rolling over and falling asleep 2 minutes later. Nightmare, and you? Oh, mine was incredible. My hubby was waiting for me to get back home from work. He took me out for a very romantic dinner. We then walked back home, under an amazing starry sky, along the canal, for a good two hours. Once home, he lit up all the candles and we had foreplay which lasted for an hour. We then made love for another hour and we chatted until late.. It was wonderful. TWO MEN - meet at the pub... So, how was your evening last night? Incredible! When I came home, the food was ready. I ate, we shagged and I fell asleep. Wonderful night, I just love my wife, You? A nightmare! I came home early to fix the kitchen shelf. When I switched on the power drill, the fuse went out. The whole house went into darkness. Couldn't find the bloody fuse box, so when my better half arrived, I took her out for dinner. It was the only thing to do to avoid getting an ear-full...! The Dinner was so expensive that I couldn't afford a taxi, so we had to walk home. It took ages and once there, the house was still in the dark, obviously, so I had to light all these f*cking candles to avoid knocking everything over. I was so wound up and pissed off that it took me an hour to get a hard on, and another hour to finish. In the end, I was still wound up and it took me ages to fall asleep, while she kept yapping on and on about everything and nothing.......total disaster.

the earlier a pup is desexed the taller it grows in comparison to an undesexed sibling. think I read a paper on that it also contributes to severity of any joint disorders eg hip displacia plus the incontinance problems

you can start with hip and elbow scores. but suspect Hybrid vigor. will be quoted as the guarantee of good health unfortunately. you could ask how often does it need clipping. if told none, what a mess that one will end up in. if she doesnt intend to learn clipping it herself, im told its costs my friend $90 a session. more if she doesnt make sure is washed and no knots before she takes it there. hip pocket pain might slow the decision down maybe?

what a seriously cute chi you hve. love the ears.

Getting a bit OT here,but yes,I have noticed the same thing and its accelerating as horses are seen more as companion animals rather than working animals. We get a whole new class of breeders starting who have no working background with horses before they start their Studs.Sires are selected based on winnings in halter rather than performance. Being a breeder seems to be seen as a status thing, Purity becomes more important and more stud books close,while new breeders rely more and more on halter winners only. It becomes about the picture,rather than the efficency of the breed for their specialiality. Very much worse in the minis I think,who aren't generaly expected to "Work".We have already been hearing of breeders used that have been sugicaly altered to mask unsoundness.Interference is becoming more accepted over culling and problems in all breeds are becoming the norm,rather than just lines that will fade out. This has been seen in some of the Straight Egyptian lines of the Arabian horse. Some looking so delicate that they would not manage well as a saddle horse, let alone an Endurance animal, been bred primarily as Halter Show Horses. Yep,I think the trend started with the Arabs,both egyptian and Polish lines.Along with the notion that line breeding should be viewed as the norm rather than an exception,used to "capture" unique type and traits not easily available otherwise. I've not been involved with the arabs for years now,but 30 years ago,the trend was well underway. Interesting to think horses might soon be in the same position as dogs,with health tests needed before breeding. already in with the ayrabs cant stand a colt at stud before its been tested for lavender foal, scids and forget what brain gene test.

didnt you read the whole thread? Dingos are not "wild animals" they came over with the koori they ARE and have been for over 40,000 years camp dogs, the ones running wild are camp dogs gone wild. no wolf was originally a camp dog and transported to where they are running wild by man like the dingo was. thats why they are so easily brought up to behave so friendly, I have a friend with a fully registered cattledog who cannot bark, she only howls, just like a dingo. whats in cattle dogs? dingo. my son has a cattle dog same. he never barks. I used to own a bitch who only ever cycled once a year. again I understand a dingo trait. No they havent been continually selected for domestic traits like our registered breeds. My neighbour had one her hubby brought home from and outback trip, I dont remember anyone who saw her think her to be any but a red heeler. We knew she was a dingo. but no one walking by ever said to my neighbour, thats a dingo. she was not kept locked in their yard, they never shut the front gate, but she never left home either, she never went further than the front path to come to our place for a play with our dogs and was a great girl. as the people behing Anne had some 20 chooks which she could see through the paling fence everyone thought as she grew she might go after them, maybe because she saw them every day she became used to them, will never know really, but she never did. nor did she ever bother to jump a fence, she didnt need too the gate was alwys open. not the way to keep a dingo and certainly not recommended but in her case it worked ok. they were lucky.As they tend to say "do not try this at home" though. but they are definately VERY different from a wolf. as anyone who has worked with or known them in a pet environment can attest.

Horse too. Wilson went to do his work out at hawkesbury for Champion Hack. Except Humphrey B Bear decided to make his appearance. if it had been points for passage OUT of the showground and HALFPASS passage AT THAT he would have had every sash available. HO well, he did get a huge round of applause for the dressage display. Pity the judge wasnt as thrilled as the spectators. sigh................

yes our Indi even went across the road and 'saved' a cut dowon peach tree and brought it home for me to throw for him to fetch around here fetching sticks and balls is considered a breed standard by indi and his descendants. aussie cattledog incidently. So does that mean if he had ever got lost he wouldnt have had a hope ummm the wait for you to throw the item brought for you to throw was guaranteed to induce a "high stress environment"

our neighbours had one, she was a lovely girl and no trouble. she didnt even go after the neighbours chooks either. Maybe jack russels have dingo hunting instincts in em? mentally at least anyway although as I understand it, that is definately not the norm and can jump like a stag if they decide too. but then my border collie was discovered to be able to clear 7 feet when he wanted too. good fencing might be a sensible idea.

Yes your right, it did break out and not just to Centenial Park, it infected every horse across the road as well but that sure got hushed up. not even a mention of that at the Inquiry. I read every line of the evidence, n nope they werent letting that little cat out of the bag. it got out without any human aid that one, it just wafted the 600 metres across to the agistement horses, friends ponies were among the first infected soley by the wind. there is nothing to stop the breath of any infected animal there from leaving over or through the boundary let alone the containment area'a where the animals are kept. there are thousands of pet birds, dogs, cats, horses and cattle within less than half a mile of the facility. foot and mouth for example carries for MILES "The virus can also survive long enough and in high enough concentrations to be spread through air currents. Spread of the disease up to 62 miles has been documented.3 Physical spread of the virus by other animals, such as birds, is possible." Yet Like EI "However, it is readily inactivated by heat, UV light, disinfectants or environments where the pH < 6.0 or >9.0." Yet Eastern creek is still being called, and used as a QUARANTINE faciltiy when in fact there are thousands of animals capable of being infected via air and birds moving freely into and out of the facility, 24/7 ...

I like the girl. much better looking than all those PM's we have had.

Yes. Plastic PP-- are approved for all international flight and have been for some time now. Hey thats what my crates are I use in the car. Nifty arent they, love the water bowls such a great idea. put a second for ther dinner if its a long trip as well. a joe/jane public told the rspca they were stuffed into boxes? NICE and airy I think they are anyway. My sisters dog likes to sleep in hers when she is in the house. (hmmm the other charge lodged was that they believed the dogs lived in them? ) when they are going to go out all they have to say is, into bed, and she gallops in ready for the car trip.

As well as this part of his evidence has still not been addressed in any form ? "The RSPCA since about 2000, to my knowledge, have been engaging private solicitors to conduct their prosecutions and one might ask why did they move to this system. It is my submission that this practice should cease and that Police Prosecutors should conduct the prosecutions for the RSPCA. I say that on this basis. By engaging private Solicitors or barristers there is no obligation on them to place before the Court evidence that may disadvantage their case. Legal and Professional Costs come into play. If their prosecution is successful they would ask for these costs. It seems unbelievable that recently in one of their prosecutions at Narrabri an amount in excess of a quarter of a million dollars was sought for costs in a matter heard in the Local Court, and as I said before, an offence not serious at law." yet politicions can spend parlimentary time discussing tempement testing at the RSPCA kennels? where on earth are their priorities. imagine how smartly the turn around if one of them, was facing over a 1/4 a million in legal fees if one of their neighbours decided to dob and an inspector "formed the opinion" without knowing the pet owner was a minister? can only hope it happens one day and the sooner the better eh :) it stunned the locals when Jacki Kelly had a car accident on the m4 and almost next day were new speed reduction signs up for that section of road. so as they say, if a pollie is affected there's "precedent" for fast action

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I am still wondering why on earth after Leon Mills letter was tabled in Parliament it has not been acted on Especially in the light it puts on the new order of "employing " solicitors only began in 2000. the fact alone that the employee got the job without tender and was a director of RSPCA NSW at the time would have had any politicions being called to fall on their sword has me very puzzled why nothig has been done to put things back to what they should be on that point alone? a previous poster had me with their take on it "Its ridiculous that a charity has greater powers (with no accountability) than a legitimate body such as police. It's like having the girl guides doing health inspections at restaurants and being able to shut down a cafe without explaining why. " Except the not so funny bit is in this case its true. sigh

Was thinking the same thing as I read it. a chap was washing his car and this dog came down the street, "politely said hullo" to him, "spotted the front door open and trotted in and settled himself on the lounge, with and expectant look as if asking, n whats for lunch"