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oooo thats sooo cute. I dont mind anywhere else but face is sooo so out of bounds, n yes never touch food without washing hands first. you just never know what you may have picked up otherwise, why take the risk of hydatid just for one. you NEVER know what you dog could have accidently picked up. I caught me darling neighbour feeding my dogs offal left over from their sheep. They had no idea whatever about hydatid. they were horrified to learn about the danger and what it can do to them or their children if they did get it. when I was a child we were all taught at school because the incidence in those days was very high. to get it can be devestating let alone fatal. http://iceh.uws.edu.au/fact_sheets/FS_hydatids.html

Exactly, no matter how cute and adorable, their idea of acceptable is is I know so many places those cute tongues have been before

I was thinking the same thing, as well as wondering why not a squeak it was a bulli breed. good press and they stay quiet, at least they posted the photo of the hero. but still feel its a good press opportunity lost.

disasterso true, look at what happened when EI arrived in Eastern Creek, that didnt stay contained for long

If its any comfort ive a friend who spent nearly the 5000 for import in ai and vet bills for eventually the arrival of two pups born, neither being suitable for main rego. was not a happy camper

And pull the barges - LOL. Gosh they are beautiful dogs. Think you have your breeds mixed up! Little Schipperkes wouldn't be pulling any barges! Nah, I'll bet their dogs come to the loo with them but they just wouldn't ADMIT it! If it's not my dogs it's my cats! If I leave the door open, the dogs will come and check on me, sometimes hang around, sometimes wander off, but if I shut the door, cats' paws come underneath it. In my last house where I could reach out to tap their paws from a seated position it used to be quite a game. :laugh: One of the cats will also sit on my lap. Nothing is sacred! My darned cat decided it was just the time to introuduce me to my own 'kill' gave the "here kitties , I have dinner" call and dumped a live mouse at my feet

This won't be you, then? :laugh: (I know that these actually come in handy for people with dogs that can't walk much, etc. Still... hilarious). for some people,like my mum, she needed the exercise more than the dogs. chi's do zoomies anyway. thats just how she took her three.

In which case Michelleva is totally okay to say she saw Purebred dogs today at the pound then Geez the smallest things people make a fuss about I swear. considering people are being told that pedigree breeders are responsible for all the dogs that end up in the pounds it pretty unfair. when you consider for example I understnd there are less than 60,000 pure bred puppies of ALL breeds being registered in any given year now. Yet over 260,000 are impounded on average every year. Its a bit hard to understand how pedigree breeders can be held responsible for the other 210,000 as well?

Pounds often have no idea about less common breeds and most of the general public would not be able to recognise a true pedigree purebred in most breeds. When I worked for the AWL where we only took 3 purebred surrenders in the 6 months I was there, the pound brought out a dog that had an ear tattoo they could'nt trace. They decided to check with us before he was pts as an unclaimed stray. The boss had a look and said they couldn't decide if it was an Elkhound or a Deerhound , which are nothing alike. She asked me to have a look and the dog in question was a purebred hunting pack registered Foxhound that I tracked to a hunt club in Vic. They didn't want him back but it turned out he was being kept locally as a pet by people who found him and had rung in a lost dog notification for a Beagle cross. They were only reunited with him by accident when they came looking for a replacement dog and found him in our kennels. Ho, what a lovely story. So glad they got him back.

You mean pure breds? Or were they all surrendered with pedigree papers? Whats with the nit picking? They were purebred dogs, how would I know what they were surrended with. I'm just a member of the public making an observation. Clyde isnt "nit picking" just for fun ask the person you see with what looks like a pedigree dog is it registered with a pedigree. 9 out of ten, frequently more the answer will be no. I and my family have had cattle dogs since before I was born. 90 out of a hundred never had a pedigree parent in living memory. The registered purebreds are the minority. It is becomming increasingy so with all breeds as pedigree breeders wont sell puppies on main register anymore. Just ring up the puppy for sale adds. nearly every one are limit register only this has been the norm now for over a decade. Anyone who wants an entire purebred is going to the trading post, local shops and gumtree. They are not comming from pedigree breeders. Most these days are either already desexed or come with a desexing contract. So precious few purebred pedigree's around for backyard breeding these days.

Good Grief! Charlie Brown I can relate to all three. Bit of a bummer you cant tell anyone how exciting it is to see a NORMAL doo. After all that worry. Then finally.......... All nice and firm. Elation.

Although on the up side, never have to hear that dreaded word "inherited" again. one question asked was after having the last vaccination pup went off food for weeks and yep they wondered if it may have been "inherited" from the parents? I know my child ended up in tepid baths for days after being vaccinated because ran tempretures so high could have gone into convulsions, far as I know thats called reaction to the vaccination. so what is it? inheritated in dogs, but caused by the injection in humans????????? In the seconds it took to ask me "could that be an inherited thing", and I THOUGH HO NO!, instant sick to my stomach, now even that is going to be my fault if something has gone wrong with the vaccination? had completly forgotten why opted out in the first place. my neighbour was fascinated by the conversation,(it was on speakerphone as im rather a bit deaf these days) he was all ears. Seems he had taken his sons litter of puppies for their vaccinations bar one. (his sister decided she would let hers get older before it was done). Next morning all but the unvaccinated pup was dead, the vet? Not a clue what had gone wrong. The live pup was a very inconvenient piece of evidence it wasnt something that had happend at the owners.

Just had a phone call from the happy owner of one of my last puppies I bred. She only took 3 days to learn where the door was and never made another mistake in the house...n she waas only 8 weeks and 3 days old... YAY! Think thats what I will miss the most. The silent phone. Its so quiet around here now.

this is an interesting website http://naiaonline.org/blog/animal-rights/the-world-is-petless-if-you-want-it/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+NaiaOfficialBlog+%28NAIA+Official+Blog%29#.UJTNt2fa-rs The world is petless! If you want it. Gary Francione is something of an elder statesman for the modern animal rights movement. A legal scholar and one of the first abolitionists, he has taught animal rights theory since 1985 and written several books on the subject. His abolitionist views place him at odds with the more incremental (and more successful) protectionist wing of the animal rights movement, but they also afford him the rare privilege of honesty when it comes to expressing his beliefs. You see, Francione doesn’t view animal rights as a series of goalposts where activists continuously pull on emotionally-charged, low-hanging fruit in order to gradually lull the public into adopting their code of behavior — a foie gras ban here, a ban of circus animals or guardian language there — and as such, there is no need for manipulation and obfuscation on his part. He’s not trying to trick anybody; he’ll let you know exactly where he is coming from, and what his goals are: If, as a hypothetical matter, we changed the legal status of dogs and cats so that they were no longer property and they had a legal status closer to that of human children, would our continued production of dogs and cats (or other nonhumans) and our keeping of ‘pets’ be morally justified?” My answer to this purely hypothetical question is “no.” We cannot justify the perpetuation of domestication for the purpose of keeping “pets.” There it is in a nutshell. Of course, many animal rightists who are against the concept of pet ownership will assuage concerns by supporting the rescue of homeless animals, allowing adherents and uninformed supporters to fund and fuel the agenda while still keeping pets in all but name… but they almost inevitably leave out the part about what happens when all domestic animals are spayed and neutered, when all those homeless, needy pets finally find homes. Fortunately, Gary’s here to fill us in on the end game: But if there were two dogs left in the universe and it were up to us as to whether they were allowed to breed so that we could continue to live with dogs, and even if we could guarantee that all dogs would have homes as loving as the one that we provide, we would not hesitate for a second to bring the whole institution of “pet” ownership to an end. Well, it’s definitely quoteworthy — and at least he’s honest! But it’s also not the most effective form of advertising, and case in point as to why the abolitionists have gained so little traction while the incrementalists have succeeded far beyond their earliest goals. After all, it is unusual to find somebody who doesn’t at least love the idea of sharing their home with a pet, even if the responsibilities are another story. To most people, a petless world would simply be inhuman. RayRay • 3 months ago Why is the domesticated dog viewed as being not as important as say, dogs in the wild? I don't comprehend this view point in the slightest. Regardless of whether they were genetically altered, they are still living, breathing, UNIQUE animals - attempting to kill them all of, to technically, discriminate against them - seems unjust. I know my lovely little cat has a grand life with me, constant companionship, adventures outside, all the food she could want, an environment which is consistently regulated; all of the playing she desires - I doubt the outdoor life would appeal more to her. Domesticated pets are often treated like kings/queens.

thanks interesting reading. good points. found this on the site too. so targeting of potential income sources over, the obvious cruelty cases, happens overseas too? so many people wonder why what seem such obvious cruelty cases fail to get any action, yet others are seized sometimes without any warning, like the koala park just to name the first I could recall. http://www.naiaonlin...gh-speed-flight anyway it has its own thread now. I know thats just about the same story for my boy, except in his case he was a dog not a horse. but sure cost enough to get back a perfectly healthy dog. Even if it was later described as an unfortunate set of circumstances, they didnt get out of it without a handy profit.

thanks interesting reading. good points. found this on the site too. so targeting of potential income sources over, the obvious cruelty cases, happens overseas too? so many people wonder why what seem such obvious cruelty cases fail to get any action, yet others are seized sometimes without any warning, like the koala park just to name the first I could recall. HELD FOR RANSOM: THE PLIGHT OF “HIGH SPEED FLIGHT” Sanctuary extorts money from horse owner By: Patti Strand Date: 01/16/2012 Category: | Shelter Issues | In early April, High Speed Flight disappeared from her stable in Monterey County, California. In early May, after reporting the horse stolen and conducting an exhaustive search, her owner found the mare at Redwings Horse Sanctuary less than two miles down the road. When Cheryl Fayter knocked on their door with proof of ownership, Redwings balked. Fayter said a sanctuary staff member told her that the mare they called Sunshine "is not your horse," that they had received a "substantial donation" for her, and that she was ready to go to her new home. High Speed Flight was born in 1998 on Fayter's farm. Fayter offered witnesses to identify the horse as hers, but Redwings would not accept the word of the mare's veterinarian, her farrier, or others who had seen the horse grow up. Only a DNA test would be good enough, they said. So Fayter pulled a couple of horse hairs and sent them off for comparison with the mare's original DNA profile and a parental DNA check. The tests came back positive: the horse at Redwings was AQHA-registered High Speed Flight, the daughter of Bar Sevenfortyseven and Kat As Trophy. Still Redwings refused to return the horse. The DNA report could have been altered, they claimed, and besides, Fayter owed them for board and care since April. Fayter said she would pay board but would not agree to a second condition - inspection of her property by Redwings. The horse owner had a letter from a veterinarian attesting to the condition of her property and said she would accept inspection by a law enforcement agency or humane society with authority under California law, but she would not allow evaluation of her facility by the group with a financial interest in keeping her horse. Several letters, a Redwings threat to sell the horse, a lawsuit, a court injunction, and thousands of dollars in expenses later, High Speed Flight went home in mid-June. Fayter paid board and care charges of $1147 for 2.5 months even though the going rate in her area is $150 per month. In July a photo of the palomino quarter horse appeared on Redwings website with a request for donations for her care. NAIA is tracking a number of similar cases in which questionable practices have been used in seizing animals. Typically these impoundments have been conducted by tax-exempt societies or sanctuaries, which seem to be operating from their mission statements and by laws rather than applicable state and local laws. To complicate matters, there is a growing trend for government officials to appoint personnel from not-for-profit organizations as humane agents without regard to their ignorance about basic husbandry practices or their lack of training in the law and law enforcement. Accordingly, NAIA is disappointed, but not surprised to observe a growing number of serious due process violations in animal impoundment and seizure cases. NAIA sympathizes with those who are charged with the difficult job of enforcing animal cruelty laws and supports all responsible enforcement efforts to end animal abuse. However, we believe that a conflict of interest exists when tax-exempt organizations stand as both accusers and enforcers in cases where part of their income derives from fundraising campaigns that target the suspect or from custodial fees earned during related impoundment or seizure cases. These conflicts are detrimental to the public interest as well as prejudicial to the accused and potentially harmful to the animals involved. If you have been involved in such a situation and are willing to share court documents and other evidence with NAIA for publication, please e-mail [email protected] Meanwhile, NAIA will continue to cover the case of High Speed Flight and to bring similar cases to public attention. http://www.naiaonline.org/articles/article/held-for-ransom-the-plight-of-high-speed-flight

Very true unfortunately. I know when I learned the first consignment were here in quarantine my first thought was ho god, a new penis extension is being added. Why on earth isnt someone in authority banning this. The videos of the attacks in america were available for all to see. Did it really matter these horrific images only accounted for a small percentage of the tens of thousands of good canine pit/bull citizins.It was a scenario that was not in Australia. Now it is. How did I know they had arrived? Because their proud importer was advertising for expressions of interest in the expected puppies at "only" $5,000 each. Went downhill from there didnt it. The really tragic part is they are here now, the good ones are heart stealers.

well, well, well. Theres one chap who automatically adds another $250 to the retraining fee if its been to carrot stick school. how to keep respect at feeding time. http://horseproblems.com.au/Feeding%20your%20horse.htm Just the beginning shows the writer is fully aware "love" just doesnt cut it. "Feeding time can be one of the most dangerous times for horse owners and I have to warn that the lack of rules causes many horses to be sent to me for re-education. I include buck jumping. Feed time is when horses fight for their position in the pecking order. You are being sized up as to whether you are number one or number two Fail in this test of assertiveness and you are destined have a horse that doesn't respect you. Lack of respect equals problems for you in the future. There are two main venues where the horse puts the amateur owner through the assessment phase. To decide whether you are worthy of being the boss or just second in charge. They are, feed time and lunging. If you are not up to the job, the horse will assume the role and immediately lose respect for you. That loss of respect, quite frankly means that the horse doesn't really like you any more. How do you feel about that then? This behavior starts in foals at about 5 weeks old and in fact, they are the dangerous ones. Would you believe that I have horses sent to me that are bucking their owners off and this is primarily caused by a lack of respect and associated rules at feeding time? Here are some rules that always should be adhered to:" Who was it thought horsie land was all goodness and light?

yep and when it all goes pear shaped its the horse thats put down. Or if its lucky gets sold to someone who knows its a horse not a mind reading soul mate who cant mind read after all. One thing about pony club you see the darlings who you would give your eye teeth to have at home, gradually destroyed before your eyes and turned into "stupid, savage, bucking bronc" u name it and suddenly its gone and a new well behved one arrives to be disintergrated. As for the penis extensions, they are either made so hot, scared, fear reactive, and yes even downright savage, no one is interested if they are onsold. Many cases they are put down because might be seen to shine with a new owner all those that are unsound of both body and mind, cant fit in the right hole, many with temprement problems, both innate and man made are quietly turned into dog meat. Its incredibly rare to see headlines of "horse attacks....etc"

I agree with this as well. I actually think some people should start off with something in a cage, small and relatively harmless, like maybe a rabbit. Some people should never progress to dogs at all. Sea monkeys might be a viable alternative for them :p you haven't seen my rabbit on a bad day :laugh: I know what you mean, I dont have any scars from a dog bite, My imported from England Netherland Dwarf buck? He certainly should be registered as dangerous,,,and muzzled. The only way I could make him let go my thumb. Knock him out with the feed scoop. Still have that scar. I thought its the Polish that many Judges refuse to work with?

I care. Labelling these dogs as "monsters" suggests that somehow they are extraordinary. Until I hear evidence to the contrary, I'll consider them highly dog aggressive dogs. No more, no less. Hyperbolic language is what I expect of the press, not people discussing these incidents on a dog forum. All this discussion, reminds me of something. Decades ago , decades before the first pit bull ever put paw in this country. Few people in the city actually kept their dogs at home, it was not uncommon if a bitch was in season to see the apalling sight of up to 20 and more males in an imense pack fighting to drive off the other males. My parent would usher us all inside and mum would hop into the car and drive into the pack until she had the bitch beside the drivers door and if she could, haul her into the car and whisk her away. It could be a dangerous exercise, invariably they had been dumped some in apalling condition. Mum would take them to the vet the worst caseones put down. some mum kept and turned out great pets. Anyone who owned (an undesexed) bitch had to have dog proof fences to keep the hoards OUT. In those days almost no one kept a bitch. 50's and 60's, n just about no one desexed their dogs. Believe it or not the worlds a nicer place for our dogs now in many ways. Common sense with dogs and cats, rabbits, all pets perhaps needs to be taught at school, so few parents even know so how can they teach? I remember how they eradicted hydatid, they taught the kids at school how it was passed on and how to keep your dog from giving it to you. they did it then? they dont now. the results of getting it is just as horrific as it ever was. dog attacks too. Dad would say. two good dogs at home, running loose together becomes a pack, a pack will do what a single wouldnt even think of, add more and the danger, and drive to kill grows expeditionally. Dad, would shut and lock the gates. although in those days we didnt have 'breeds' bred for fighting each other. them arriving added a new dimension, to the pack equation . Dogs will be dogs, the humans need to realise any fido and have a bad hair day. regardless of breed. Trouble is few believe it or plan to prevent it. Or in the case of the two who got out, the fence wasnt as adequate as the owner believed. I think we have all seen heaps of different breeds decide they dont like some other dog and its on for young and old. Although that Pit/amstaff breeder explained the difference we now see. Dogs that don't understand the "I surrender" body language. The reason I won't ever use an off leash park. To me "It" is an "accident" waiting to happen.

Don't know how you figure this will solve the issue. "Proper" APBT breeders bred dog aggressive dogs - indeed, they didn't see it as an issue and said as much in their BSL submissions. I see a lot of assumptions about these dogs being mistreated, poorly managed or raised to be aggressive. I don't see a shred of evidence that would support any of those assumptions. The only thing we know for sure is that these dogs escaped their yard and attacked another dog, maiming its owner in the process. There is far more involved than simply "its all the owners fault" as well. There are families in dogs just as in people where agression is very near the surface. I looked after some dogs many years ago while the family was on holiday. Some months before they had found one of their dogs dead in the yard and thought it had been bitten by a snake. Foamy mouth etc, a week into them being away, I find one of the now 3 semi consious foaming at the mouth, but? ears wet? neck wet? Wrapped her up and the vet treated her for shock and all seemed fine. But the cause? No idea. Almost a week later hear growling and sneaked up to discover the eldest attacking the one that had been in shock,, neck all wet, ears too and yes going into shock, another vet trip later and she was ok. Told the owners, the old dog had another go some weeks later. Ultimately she had to be kept seperated from the other two. What breed? Chihuahua. She was a sneak, would only attack if she thought no one was around, hardly any teeth so no actual bite marks but the distress of the attack was enough to almost kill the victum anyway. Years later I bought a very nice pup who when grown would suddenly take a dislike to another and the attack was just as savage as the old girl I had seen. Even more telling discovered my new pup was a grandaughter of a sister to that dog. Family trait? Never saw it emerge in any from the first Kennel my original 3 came from, from what I observed at times they ran 10 to 20 together hooning round the gardens without a cross word.

This breeder really is honest as to the possiblities in any pup. Always Faithful Amstaffs are dual-registered with the American Kennel Club and the United Kennel Club. The AKC refers to this breed as the American Staffordshire Terrier (Amstaff) while the UKC still recognizes the original name of American Pit Bull Terrier (APBT). Before you seriously consider adding an Amstaff / APBT to your life, take time - a lot of time - to understand what this breed is and what it is not. The following excerpts are taken from Joe Stahlkuppe's The American Pit Bull Terrier Handbook which refers to this breed entirely as the APBT. In understanding the complete APBT, a potential owner should take into account all facets of sharing one's life with a pet of complexity. Know The APBT Understanding the APBT requires acceptance of the total package. The strength and power cannot be seen clearly without acknowledging the personality and charm. The toughness of the breed cannot be fully reckoned with without assessing the gentleness of the breed. The APBT's harshly real background should not be a focal point without considering the funny, clownish antics of the dog. Unless you know what owning an APBT truly involves, you are setting yourself (and an innocent dog) up for what could be a failure of monumental proportions. Owning an APBT can be a wonderful experience, but never be deluded that this is just another dog. Are APBTs and Amstaffs the Same Breed? The AKC allowed APBTs to be registered as Amstaffs for a number of years until the studbook was closed. This meant that from the closing of the studbook on, the AKC would register only dogs whose parents were registered as American Staffordshire Terriers. Since that time, the Amstaff has gradually changed from what it had been as a renamed American Pit Bull Terrier. It is correct to state, in general terms, that the AKC Amstaff and the APBT of the UKC and ADBA is now not the same breed. They look quite similar, but there have been changes in the Amstaff after 65 years of breeding purely for conformation. The differences between the Amstaff and the APBT would be even greater if there had not been dual registration. Some of the APBT breeders who opted for their dogs' inclusion in the American Kennel Club as American Staffordshire Terriers, kept their dogs registered in the United Kennel Club as APBTs. There are still some dual-registered dogs today. Several years ago, the top APBT of the United Kennel Club was also the top American Staffordshire Terrier of the American Kennel Club! All claims and dramatic protestations to the contrary, in some cases, the Amstaff and the APBT are the same breed. Aggressiveness Toward Other Dogs Many breeds of dogs are animal-aggressive to one degree or another. The popular Jack Russell Terrier, often animal-aggressive, as other members of the terrier group usually are, was originally bred to do battle with rats, badgers, foxes, and other animals. Jack Russells were bred to help deplete the huge number of rats in the days before other reliable extermination processes. To expect the average JRT not to go after a stray cat or trespassing dog is to be unrealistic, but that is not to say that dogs can't be trained and socialized to ignore other animals. This is possible with the Jack Russell and it is possible with the APBT. Dogs that grow up with other animals generally reach an accommodation of their own. It is important to recognize that APBTs, as a fighting breed, don't respond to challenges in the same way that nonfighting breeds do. Most dogs are merely trying to establish dominance over their opponent. When that opponent gives in and strikes classical submission positions, cowering or rolling over onto its back, most dominant dogs are satisfied and the fight stops. When game-bred dogs confront each other, neither of them will submit to the other. Gameness requires that they never give up. When a fight begins between two game dogs, whether either has never been in a pit before or not, the fight will not stop unless death or human beings stop it. Gameness brings a whole new dimension to a dogfight. No bristling and dominance displays here. There is very little time for a human to intervene after the aggressiveness starts. This is no contest to see who will be top dog, leader of the pack. This fight is more serious with life or death hanging in the balance. Some game-bred dog breeders have dogs that are perfectly safe around other dogs when out and away from the yard. One breeder, the owner of ten dogs, stated, "I have one dog that I can walk on the streets or in parks and he won't be aggressive unless another dog acts in a threatening manner." This same breeder has nine other dogs that he doesn't feel comfortable in taking out to places where they may encounter other dogs.

there are three breeds of kelpies in australia, the ANKC registered which can be shown at ANKC shows, there's the working kelpies registered with I forget their initials. then theres the bulk of kelpies living their lives as pets or working dogs and never registered with either, I am pretty sure the Cudglebar kelpies have never had a prefix in front of their name but work? amazing dogs, inituative too. one sent to bring in a filly for wound dressing, was in a paddock alone, trouble was the mob was on the other side of the fence she flatly refused to move away from the mob. The kelpie looked to the boss for instructions, meanwhile boss was laughing too hard at the predicament. So , kelpie gave boss a disgusted look , jumped the fence, drove the mob to the yards with the filly following on the other side of the fence, soon as she entered the yard, kelpie rejumped the fence. Blocked the gate and barked at boss to get his sorry butt over and shut the gate. What has this to do with Pit Bull and an AmStaff? One has papers.... one doesn't. Do you own checking, there are dogs in USA described as dual registered Pit Bull and AmStaff. Like what the? http://www.dogforum.com.au/general-dog-forum/639-amstaff-v-pitbull-3.html OK , the photo is of an APBT. Nice isn't he The American Staffordshire is the registered version of the APBT. That is a simple version ( sorry guys-been a hectic night) It is not a recognised breed in Australia Natty you are correct,it is however a recognised,registered breed with the UKC .It is one of the things brought to many debates when concerning BSL and those especially pertaining to the ID'ng of a said Restricted Breed. In other parts ofthe world a dog can actually be dual registered,APBT/Amstaff. An APBT is an unpapered Amstaff. Sorry Occy,probably more brain splat on the way It is not a case though of simple an APBT being a BYB Amstaff. Without the Pi Bull , there would be no Amstaff. The Amstaff was created from a select group of APBT. No other blood has ever been introduced. In fact the Stud Books reopened in the 70's to allow a fresh infusion of APBT blood into the Amstaff , thus in effect making the Amstaff an even younger 'breed' . This is a highly condensed version of things sory,as I said ,tis been one of those nights and its getting late. Hopefully the thread will not implode before I can come back tomorow Kennel Assistant Blue Mountains Pet Resort https://www.facebook.com/OzBullRescue http://sgallo4.tripod.com/id39.html http://www.bulldogbreeds.com/americanpitbullterrier.html

My take on it, no one will be advised until after the euthanesia has been done in future. Interesting how many posters seem to think it should have been put down, despite the fact the now owner saw the dog with the finder and their children where it was no problem, nor with them, but hey if an animal doesnt love everyone in this new world, tough luck. not many guarding breeds will survive once they enter then. Or any hunting either, narrows the field down to what? I dont know a kelpie, border collie, sheltie, u name it wont bark at or chase a rabbit? the only ones I do know grew up with em, that would include cats and chooks too, and thats precious few.