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For so long I kept hearing how controlling purebred breeders would reduce the hundreds of thousands of stray and unwanted dogs. in this country of over 23.13 million. There are estimated to be 4.2 million pet dogs in Australia; 19 dogs for every 100 people. These figures might put some perspective as to the millions bred by person or persons unknown ANKC purebred puppies of all breeds registered for the whole of Australia Year + Grand total all purebred puppies registered on Main and Limit register for that year. 1986 95,792 1987 97,917 1988 92,089 1989 86,586 1990 87,768 1991 82,062 1992 80,693 1993 80,071 1994 85,415 1995 81,389 1996 84,718 1997 68,637 1998 89,922 1999 73,061 2000 77,559 2001 69,946 2002 69,419 2003 66,710 2004 64,189 2005 62,340 2006 61,524 2007 64,074 2008 63,387 2009 66,588 2010 66,040 2011 63,465 2012 64,224 2013 66,904 2014 69,274 2015 70,130 if you want to see the breeds breakdown here is the link http://ankc.org.au/media/4468/rego-stats-list_to-15v2.pdf so few breeders are prepared to main register puppies now many breeds are becoming so low in numbers they could be classed as endangered. think how many Maltese for example you can see out for a walk or in a pound yet, 196 for 2015, you see yet see how few registered traceable breeders have actually bred any.

If its not on the news then it should be, spotted on facebook I do grooming and seen too many like this, its like shaving off a flannel blanket, poor dogs https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/12734051_472092469647838_649841839751287293_n.jpg?oh=224121dc024c8f0166f7861232c27641&oe=579A2D89&__gda__=1474318866_df4c2c7352def5066a1ebc8b16555af9 Polderwind Trimsalon en Liefhebberskennel Berner Sennen en Grote Poedel Like This Page · 12 February · DOODLES! (And others) The perfect photo (shared from another groomer) to show how matting happens at the base (or at the skin). So many doodle owners are saddened to hear the only thing I can do with their pups coat is a shave because they thought brushing the top coat was enough. By looking at this dog, you may not see the knots and you may not feel them as you would a knot on the ends of the fur but once it starts its very difficult/ impossible to brush/COMB out... Not to mention it would be cruel to put the dog through. Often times I feel like owners don't believe groomers when they say the dogs has to be clipped. I always hear "I know he/she is matted, but leave as much as you can"... this photo shows, the only way to get UNDER the matting is nothing left. I promise you, I'd rather not clip your baby naked either! I also don't want to hurt my reputation when the clients go around complaining about how the last groomer "scalped" their dog....But doodles are easily one of the highest maintenance dogs in reference to their coats. The combination of the soft coat of a golden, or aussie, or newf, or wheaten, or whatever they are mixing poodles with these days is a coat that is SO prone to matting. And even more so are the new "double doodles" that i like to call "double maintenance". I even find some doodles on a regular schedule need to be clipped once or twice a year (maybe not shaved, but maybe teddy bear length for a fresh start) because after all of the brushing and de-matting, the damaged coat seems to become even MORE likely to matt. If you like a fluffy pup, you probably need to consider no more than 3-5 week intervals between grooming and set aside time for regular COMBING at home. Please know, if you bathe your doodle you really need to blow dry and brush out right after. Moisture, be it a bath, rain, swimming, snow etc are all going to amplify matting. And if you know you dog is already matted bathing is only going to make it worse! Brush out BEFORE the bath. AND!!!!! "breeders" who say they can't/shouldnt be clipped and OR not to give them a hair cut until they are 1 year are out of their minds and setting you up for a SAD SAD SAD day when you finally take your pup to the groomer.

just spotted this add for pedigree puppies with main or limit register available obvious this photo of the cream/black parti it actualy does have a muzzle without the deep folds so there are dogs that could be used to select away from the ulra squashed face still to be found http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTYwMFgxMjAw/z/zI0AAOSwFEFXJqEb/$_20.JPG compared to how short this one is http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/z/qooAAOSwIjNXJqET/$_20.JPG

I have a friend who told me he thinks french bulldogs are so cute he is going to get one..think I will send him a link to this. might have a rethink

Not very hopeful. I can see that going down hill fast. Again, I am convinced the insularity of pedigree breeders is the cause. Each generation only has whats in front of them to form values, and each generation will expect less, and have less to work with. Permitted to cross breed for a "pet" market, I could see thoughtfully planned, health tested litters competing with both BYBers and puppy farms to promote better practices and dogs. Informing buyer expectation in the general population. Supporting the idea purpose and value are just as relevant in non pedigree dogs. The ways these are achieved. About time. Dogs that might not win in the show ring but having great value for companion purposes being retained for breeding because of value else where being recognized. And in turn comparative and alternative values being recognized by pedigree breeders and judges alike. I realy don't think we have time for anything less. We have some wonderful breeders, putting their hearts and souls into improvement, but until the pedigree is better understood to be a tool for better practice and not the end goal for their unique difference, they are pi**ing into the wind. standards can be changed. they need to be changed if that is what is above. as in Persians the standard was changed to favor the flat no face. when are the breed clubs going to make the changes BEFORE they are forced too? when are they going to become proactive instead of the decades of reactive? at least PDE , forced one good reaction the deletion of (in the case of equal merit the more diminutive preferred)in the chihuahua standard or words to that effect, some of us noticed the smallest were going to the top of the line before conformation was even assessed and commented should be deleted . but no nothing was done until public embarrassment. not good public relations waiting for that surely? how is shortening a breeds face over decades from what is was originally "improving" it into eye problems and suffocation? drooping skin so badly eyes look like they are sunk in sagging purses of dust catchers for infection? eyes bigger and bigger again until they are easily damaged and infected , how on earth can that be construed as improving anything other than the chances of needing veterinary intervention to cure the resulting damage? there are soooooo many sites to show the original breed and what "improved" has morphed it into, I doubt the origional breeders would be any but horrified at the changes wrought over the past 40 to 60 years

yes that seems to be the intention

You can with somethings that show up at birth or soon after but for things that a really horrible such as PRA , Degenerative Myelopathy etc if you don't test by the time you find out you have a carrier is when you get an affected - in the mean time the dogs have been used for years for breeding and spreading the good news all around. This is only about recessives anyway. Lots in this day and age have DNA tests available but you have to know what to test for and you have to be prepared to do test matings to identify carriers for things that don't have a DNA ID. I dont know any breeders who would balk at breeding carriers to clears so not sure what we are talking about with limiting gene pools in this way. Gene pools are limited much more by selection for conformation. when SCIDS finally had a test, (and before, for any that produced a scids foal) hundreds if not thousands went to the doggers, I know, I saw whole pens full of them during the panic days, few understood, or cared to learn, a taint was a taint no one would touch, a carrier was perfectly healthy and put to non carriers would never produce a scids affected foal PRA is a weird one, before I knew there was a dna test I unknowingly put carrier to carrier and discovers one is a C, definitely will develop PRA I was going to have him put down but to my surprise my vet told me "don't, he is more likely to die of old age or other causes before he develops PRA". I was skeptical but a friends girl died of old age just a week before she did her eyes began to go a odd look and was diagnosed as developing PRA she was almost 16. A friend has oscar and he is 10 and eyesight perfect so far. annoyingly he is a magnificent dog. such a waste sometimes i think should I put one of my A girls to him and then change my mind. hey, hadnt shown mine since 1984 when misty took out best in show at singleton and 2 nd at sydney royal. took three a while back for two 1 sts and a second and brought home challenge dog, best puppy in show and best minor in show. only ever work to preserve what Hilton started me out with in 82 so was pretty astonished. pleased too the breed hasnt morphed too much in 33 years, like others have

a quote from the link: " And then, doggone it, when one of us shares something of great consequence like "did you know they developed this new DNA test to identify that fatal CHG disease in puppies?" someone like Bill Andrews grins and says "Well I reckon if it’s fatal in pups, it pretty well eliminates itself. If you don’t breed the same dog and bitch again, it won't happen again." ...the further information provided on the same website (see also part 2 and 3) indicates that both parents need to be the carrier to allow for 'natural' extinction. Therefore the adopted attitude of B.A. seems to be contra productive regarding producing a healthy stock. as the arabian world discovered in the case of SCIDs, eliminating all carriers is not sensible, carriers are "healthy stock". As long as no carrier to carrier matings are done there will never be affected offspring and you havent eliminated those that otherwise in many cases are the best of their generation. although it was found although there is a low incidence across the population when it came to selecting the top of their generation it was discovered to have been the majority in many cases the ones selected turned out on testing to be carriers. far better to keep the gene pool from contracting , never put carrier to carrier and the incidence of the defective gene will reduce by 50% per generation anyway To put carrier to carrier means yes two patterns mean death and "natural" extinction of that offspring, but the surviving leaves 1 in 4 clear of the defect gene and 2 in 4 carriers

This was emailed to me yesterday. cant copy and paste as its copywrite. I think I met this chaps like in 1978 her name Phil Burgess, apprently there are more like her, just need an awful lot more to learn and apply, think this chap is in america. http://www.thedogplace.org/GENETICS/DNA-Smokescreen_Andrews.asp pity the braci's couldnt go back to what they were instead of the faces improved off them in 1950 my uncle bred Champion Persian cats. they had faces. Today such Persian's are referred to as chocolate box persians because thats the only place you can see them now. In the 80's a friend Brenda Hotop tried to stop the removal from the standard the words "pleasant expression" which up to then had prevented the gargoyle like ultra flat faced from winning. The vote won to delete it. a Himalayan kitten bred in early 1980 won best in show with a face, she actually had a muzzle. now the poor Himalayan has gone the flat faced route too. up until then its siamese roots had preserved it a face.

a test which has been proven to be very wrong several times here on DOL so true, remember the case of the pure bred german cooli whose owner was told it had labrador and golden retriever in it, forget the other breeds listed, none of the breeds mentioned included german cooli

where is a link???????? please

I wonder? you cannot register some breeds of horses until they have been vet checked for soundness , two teste and dna results for various conditions done. It must bedone by a qualified vet, not a breeder or judge.. maybe a similar idea be implemented for all registered dogs? retained teste....out Cant breathe normally,,,out. abnormal features, eyes, legs, patella, hd, whatever...out my pet hate, hernias.........OUT

I dont think that this would have shown as a spike - purebred dogs havent become more expensive since 09 in fact some are less expensive and the limited register has been in existence for a very long time. Ive no doubt these things have impacted over time but in these years numbers went up and then dropped again quickly . To be honest the only thing that does make much sense why it went up and then down is the Mcdougal thing as it was at this time that they were running ads and more were being purchased by the pet store. In my mind just about every thing doggy is either pre string or post string and that was jan 2000 Never took notice of any McDougal, advertising post 2000, was essentialy shut down from that date for something like 5 years min anyway. So my learning of their activities and those who sold to them was early 90's I think? From memory Transpet became the sole agent for Mcdougal in Australia and PIAA was given a tick by Dogs NSW around about '98. HA! so I was right.. thanks Steve

I dont think that this would have shown as a spike - purebred dogs havent become more expensive since 09 in fact some are less expensive and the limited register has been in existence for a very long time. Ive no doubt these things have impacted over time but in these years numbers went up and then dropped again quickly . To be honest the only thing that does make much sense why it went up and then down is the Mcdougal thing as it was at this time that they were running ads and more were being purchased by the pet store. In my mind just about every thing doggy is either pre string or post string and that was jan 2000 Never took notice of any McDougal, advertising post 2000, was essentialy shut down from that date for something like 5 years min anyway. So my learning of their activities and those who sold to them was early 90's I think?

:) We have quite a few dogs..and they bark a lot (we live in the country , and they are allowed to bark ,within reason they bark at birds, at strange cars, at each other ....) We still have a number of snakes way too close to the dogs and the house Exactly. too many times has some snake decided to imitate the garden hose across the doorstep. Times like that reinforces my desire to move to NZ or Ireland..........

Ive had being nice to this lot who decide to destroy the messenger instead of debating the topic.

Gets a bit muddy doesnt it - when the controlling body is responsible for designing and maintaining and policing the code of ethics says it's completely ethical for someone to sell puppies to an overseas pet shop or an Australian pet shop as long as they are PIAA that its O.K. to sell to agents as long as they are PIAA - and this is the criteria which was used for someone to determine whether they wanted to join or remain a member or not -that they determined that they had the same philosophies and they fitted what was being asked of them no amount of personal opinion or change in how society perceive it all the fact remains that according to the group that they belong to it is completely ethical. At the end of the day the only ones any breeder has to answer to regarding their ethics is the group they belong to - in Asal's case it was Dogs NSW .May not fit with some other people's idea of what is ethical but its not possible for everyone to see things the same way anyway as long as that clause is in the CC codes those things are considered ethical by those standards for their members - the only ones that count. Steve, i don't think it's at all muddy and unless you have removed the membership criteria of not selling to pet shops from your MDBA criteria then neither do you. except my dear who thinks they know all. See all and can judge all. I dont think MDBA was even in existance when what I was talking about was going on, besides the fact Ive been a member of RNSWCC SINCE 1978 AND SHOCKING AS you may find it the rules were exactly as stated by Steve. I did nothing unethical by the rules I was advised not only by the breed club but also the chairman and committee. Tho who knows all, see's and and judges all and who I gather firmly belives should be bowed down too, ho great one. Are you the past or present Director of Dogs NSW? In which case why put one rule in writing, then slander those who dont know thers another "secret.........only the ETHICAL KNOW unwritten rules" lord high hyprocrite

found this, good ole google Melissa Kaplan's Herp Care Collection Last updated February 27, 2012 Shhh! The snake may hear you ©1998 John Carson. Torrey Pines State Park Can snakes hear, you ask? A few decades ago the answer was no, for - obviously - snakes don't have external ears. And any way, snakes don't appear to respond to loud noises. Further support for this view is found in some current zoology texts, which still report that snakes lack the sense of hearing. But research begun about 35 years ago, especially the extensive investigations over many years by E.G. Wever and associates at Princeton University, has shown that snakes have a hearing capability(at least in an electrophysiological sense) comparable to that of lizards. This should not be too surprising, for snakes and lizards share some common features and are thought to have common ancestors. So how can a snake hear, lacking external ears? By having equivalent structures on each side of its head. The skin and muscle tissue on each side of the head cover a loosely suspended bone, called the quadrate, which undergoes small displacements in response to airborne sound. The quadrate motion is transferred by intermediate structures to the cochlea, which produces electrical signals on its hair cells that correlate with the airborne sounds (within a range of intensity and frequency determined by the ear system) and are transferred to the brain. Cochlear signals are present in functioning ears of all classes of vertebrates from fish to mammals, while animals that are congenitally deaf produce no such signals, so their presence in response to sound is taken as an indication of the hearing sense. Wever and co-workers [1] developed techniques to measure the hair-cell signals in lizards, snakes, and amphibians, which involved anesthetizing the specimen, inserting a very thin wire probe into contact with a hair cell, and measuring the acoustic signal level needed to produce a specified hair-cell signal (typically 0.1 microvolt). Various experiments were performed to demonstrate that the hair-cell signals were in direct response to airborne sound and not to mechanical vibrations from the medium on which the specimens were placed. According to Porter [2], the auditory response of snakes in the range of 200 to 300 Hz is superior to that of cats. Hartline and Campbell [3] investigated the transmission of airborne sound through the snake's skin and lung into the inner ear. Wever's results show that this type of transmission, called the somatic mode, is much reduced compared to that through the skin to the quadrate, which is the main mode of hearing. How are the cochlear responses to be interpreted? Wever points out that it is often difficult to determine the role of hearing in lower forms such as reptiles. It is possible that snakes make less use of the auditory sense than other animals. He notes that the maximum sensitivity occurs in the frequency range of noise made by movements of large animals, so detection of such sounds could function as a warning to snakes to be motionless, a common defensive action with animals. (Although not discussed in the references I was able to check, there is also the question of how the cochlear signals are used in the snake brain. Is it possible that the ability to process this information has been or is being lost?) So the next time you meet a snake on the Reserve trails, be careful what you say to it, for the snake may hear you. Acknowledgements - My thanks to R. Haase, research associate with the UCSD Biology Dept., for informative discussions and reviewing this article. References [1] Wever, E.G., The Reptile Ear, Princeton University Press, 1978 [2] Porter, K.R., Herpetology, Sanders Co., 1972 [3] Hartline, P.H., and Campbell, H.W., "Auditory and Vibratory Responses in the Midbrains of Snakes, " Science, vol 163, 1221, (1969)

Ive been told snakes are deaf, but Im willing to try anything, although at least I will know where anyone is

I dont know if it might help, , but i am buying them for my cat, dog and horses. a lady discoverd that after she belled her goats, she stopped losing them to snakes. the vibration from the bells seemed to encourage the snakes to avoid the goats, who until now would spot the snake and so investigate, usually with fatal results. thats how I lost two of my poddy calves, wish I had heard about the bell option before that. Another friend just lost her dog despite a few thousand that 'almost' saved her, the antivenine saved her, trouble was she then had a reaction to the antivenine. So there are going to be a lot of brass belled mammals around this district now. cheaper and longer lasting than the ultrasound gizmos proporting to do the same job.

I wonder will the day ever dawn, that the precious self styled 'ethical' finger pointers will actually realise that?

thank you doctor for the diagnosis. OOPs! was that a free consult? or do you need my medicare card for billing :) The members here of Dogzonline are so fortunate you are prepared to give so freeley of your vast experience in dignosing the psychosis present in the mentally unhinged here. I live in a street of doctors, psychlogists, department heads, fellows of the royal collage of surgeons, head sister of one of sydney biggest teaching hospitals ..u name it. Sister will be fascinated to learn your learned opinion as will Doc and soooo many other of his colleges. Even the QC didnt notice despite decades working with the childrens court of nsw. yep have it all nicely printed for them to peruse. How remiss they missed dignosing their neigbhour in the last 30 years, they better get back to medical school shouldnt they?

Which judges would those be? The Allbreeds judges with no deep knowledge of the breed? The group specialists? the breed specialists? The international judges? All can put up quite different dogs. I know plenty of breeders who like to win but very few breeders dogs do it consistently. Most breeders I know breed what they consider to be a 'good dog" nby their interpretation of the standard, using pedigrees as a basis and take the wins as they come. I can think of highly awarded dogs that have never produced their equal in the whelping box. Breeding based solely on what wins is a slow road to oblivion from where I sit. BUT IT is a safe 'ethical'road

Sheridan,ooooooo Sheridan? Wherefore art thou await with baited breath your explaination............... :)

It's natural to have dogs within one breed with variations in features, and natural for some of these variations to be 'exaggerations', but for one of these to actually win at a show sends the wrong message. If they make you shudder, should they be winning? Even if there are only a handful that do? That sends the message to the breeder, and the other breeders involved in the same breed, that those exaggerations are desirable. I think the judges ought to take a long hard look at themselves, and how they are shaping the dogs, and how that is affecting the purebreed community. Their influence, by awarding (and rewarding) certain traits, is why we are having this debate in the first place. I'm sorry but that's a crock of..... the blame lays squarely with the breeder of such animals Doesn't the pool of judges usually come from from the pool of breeders? I assume this was a rhetorical question sheridan :)..... Judges must have bred at least one champion to be able to begin the process of becoming a judge in this country. HO my DOG? Im eligible