Peibe_Baby Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Hi guys, I have a very serious situation... My fiancé and I bought our little boy Sharpei 2 days ago and he still hasn’t opened his eyes. The seller assured us that her vet told her he should be ok and that he would ‘grow into them’. Upon having a closer look with my fiancé, after having brought him home, we became concerned because upon trying to pry his eyes open for his drops, there seemed to be a forever amount of ‘fat’ (rolls) and we couldn’t even see the eyeball – neither could the vet we then took him to last night. He also seemed to dislike the investigating his eyes part by the Vet. Poor little guy must be in pain.. Entropion Surgery is only available to Pups 8 months or older. My little Simba is barely 8 weeks old (next week). Tacking may be a solution but something tells me this is much more serious. I cannot see ‘tacking’ being a solution because of the amount of ‘eyelid’ there is from top AND bottom. Has anyone had Tacking or Entropion Surgery on their dog/s?? Please share your stories.. Can they recommend anyone in the Sydney South West area? (Liverpool) We are willing to travel if not exactly local, we just want the best we can find for our little guy. He continually bumps into things and is proving to be difficult when we’re at work, knowing he is home alone with no guidance. We worry constantly and it breaks my heart when he’s looking for me and I’ll be right beside him and he doesn’t know it.. The joy he feels when i speak to him and he realises im right there is overwhelming. I am seeing another Vet tonight, who will hopefully find a solution, she also recommended I take out Insurance for him because it can end up becoming quite costly. Problem is, i’ve researched 3 different organisations and they all have waiting periods of 20-30 days... This option wouldn’t benefit my current situation. Can anyone recommend a Pet Insurance with no waiting period? Thanks in advance.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Most pet insurance won't cover known conditions. Read the fine print before you sign up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
becandcharch Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Try posting in the Sharpei thread. FYI - Our insurance wont cover pre existing problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cassie Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 (edited) I'm so sorry to read this How heartbreaking for you. Personally I would be calling the breeder and having a good long chat to work out exactly what is going on. You say he still hasn't opened his eyes - have they ever been open? Since birth? I know zilch about Shar Peis, can someone tell me do puppy Peis open their eyes around the same time as other breed puppies? Again, knowing nothing about your breed, but it does sound serious and must be awkward/uncomfortable and possibly painful for the poor puppy I hope between the breeder and the vet they can offer you some answers and solutions. Good luck please keep us informed. ETA: Do his eyes look ok otherwise? Any discharge or anything? (I know they're shut, but...) Edited April 30, 2009 by cassie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peibe Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 (edited) I have just responded in the Shar Pei thread for you I gather that your pup was not from a Registered Breeder as he is too young This is one reason his eyes have not been tacked There is a vet at Hornsby (I will find the number) that will do an eye tacking Do not take him to a vet that does not know Shar Pei Do not allow anyone to preform and entropian operation on him until he is 12 month, unless you have had multiple tackings first and they are not working Pet Insurance will not cover Eye Tacking and Entropian Surgery, they are problems within the breed Shar Pei are very expensive dogs to own sometimes If you need help call me on the number below ETA, before you can get his eye tacking done put a little bell like from a cats collar on your wrist so he can follow you Edited April 30, 2009 by SharPeiRescue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puggy_puggy Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Eye Tacking and Entropian Surgery are both for genetic conditions which pet insurance will not cover. I feel sorry for your pup being bred by someone who obviously doesn't care about the breed and just the money. No ethical breeder will let a puppy go to a new home before it is 8 weeks old. And it is within the code of conduct of registered breeders that this does not happen. Get a puppy pen that you can keep him safe in whilst you are not at home. You may also look into scent training which people do for blind dogs. Entropion surgery is fairly simple it's the tacking that is harder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peibe_Baby Posted April 30, 2009 Author Share Posted April 30, 2009 Most pet insurance won't cover known conditions. Read the fine print before you sign up. Even though it hasn't been pre-diagnosed as yet?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peibe_Baby Posted April 30, 2009 Author Share Posted April 30, 2009 Try posting in the Sharpei thread. FYI - Our insurance wont cover pre existing problems. Thank you.. They're eyes generally open within the first 14 days at the most.. so similar to most dogs. Yes there is slight discharge, but only slightly.. it's to be expected i guess.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlefan Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Most pet insurance won't cover known conditions. Read the fine print before you sign up. Even though it hasn't been pre-diagnosed as yet?? The issue with his eyes has been identified. You will be required to declare it to the insurer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pandii Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 (edited) Please follow what SHARPEIRESCUE has said, she is the expert on shar pei eyes I cannot stress this enough Edited April 30, 2009 by Pandii Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puggy_puggy Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 What your puppy has is a genetic condition that is know in Shar Pei's. If you sign up with a pet insurance company you have to have a vet do a full medical on your dog and sign forms. A vet is not going to ignore your puppies eye problem a write down lies on the insurance forms saying that it has nothing wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogsfevr Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Oh dear . I would be contacting the vet that treated the dog. The breeder should have given you a vet report on the current status & should have informed you more of what the ongoing status is. Like others have said its a very common issue in peis & you wont get cover so it will be an expensive road ahead. What does your breeders contract state about the pups condition??? Have you phoned them asking about the eyes not opening?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Fox Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Some pet insurances will cover genetic condition BUT not if it is pre-diagnosed before taking out cover or if it occurs within the first 30 days after taking out the insurance. My boy had some temporary disolvable stitches put in for entropian, although he is a different breed and the problem was caused by extra eyelashes which were growing on the inside of his lid and irritating his eye, causing it to roll in. I was very lucky that it was a simple problem and easily fixed. The surgery was performed by his breeders vet at her cost (around $500) when Kei was 14 weeks old. We were told to use an anti-biotic cream every day to keep the eye moist in the weeks before the surgery and prevent ulcers. Very painful for the little pup if it happens and can lead to blindness It's best to do something sooner rather than later when it comes to eyes. I hope your boy will be okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peibe Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 No Pet Insurance company will cover Entropian in Shar Pei There is a phone number for you to contact in the Shar Pei thread of a vet in Hornsby with Shar Pei eye tacking experience Remember that a Shar Pei is by nature a dominant dog, the time that he is having trouble seeing is an important time in his development and learning social skills. Leaving him untreated and not getting his eye tacked quickly could result in a dog that is fearful, dominant and aggressive, believe me I have one here and I wish every day that the person who owned her before I got her at 5 months had of done something about her eyes, as she is the most adorable girl with us, but will bite strange people and other dogs all due to the 5 months she spent blind before eye tacking Your pup needs to be meeting new people and new dogs, he needs to go to puppy school etc, (until he is vaccinated you should not walk him or take him somewhere not safe, carry him everywhere) Shar Pei can and will be aggressive and dominant if not over socialised and trained as a young pup, whilst he cannot see you are stunting his socialisation that could have far too many damaging affects on his temperament as he grows up I know you want what is best for him which is why you came here, but I cannot stress enough how important it is to get his eyes done quickly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peibe_Baby Posted April 30, 2009 Author Share Posted April 30, 2009 Thanks Settrlvr, The young couple that sold me the pup didn't seem like the type of people that would purposely cause harm, and i'm a pretty good judge of character. I actually got a phone message call from the guy yesterday, they're obviously concerned and aren't palming me off. But they were obviously told one thing by their vet, and last night after having visited our NEW vet (who is fantastic) she's going to do the (1st) tacking on Monday, so I cannot wait and I hope it all goes well... He'll probably look a bit strange judging by what she showed me she's going to do... Apparently he also has his 'second' lids out - sorry i don't know the technical term for this one.. But she says this may be a deffence mechanism as it protects the eye more with his condition, she didn't seem too concerned about it. My boy has way too many rolls on his face and stitching it up a bit'' isn't going to help because the rolls come from behind the forehead, so with the weight, the lot may just fall forward, so she plans on tacking right back or rather.. further up the forehead? Kind of hard to explain... I'm interested in everyone's thoughts on this... I haven't seen pics of a sharpei having had Tacking before so i'm not too sure what the norm is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peibe_Baby Posted April 30, 2009 Author Share Posted April 30, 2009 No Pet Insurance company will cover Entropian in Shar PeiThere is a phone number for you to contact in the Shar Pei thread of a vet in Hornsby with Shar Pei eye tacking experience Remember that a Shar Pei is by nature a dominant dog, the time that he is having trouble seeing is an important time in his development and learning social skills. Leaving him untreated and not getting his eye tacked quickly could result in a dog that is fearful, dominant and aggressive, believe me I have one here and I wish every day that the person who owned her before I got her at 5 months had of done something about her eyes, as she is the most adorable girl with us, but will bite strange people and other dogs all due to the 5 months she spent blind before eye tacking Your pup needs to be meeting new people and new dogs, he needs to go to puppy school etc, (until he is vaccinated you should not walk him or take him somewhere not safe, carry him everywhere) Shar Pei can and will be aggressive and dominant if not over socialised and trained as a young pup, whilst he cannot see you are stunting his socialisation that could have far too many damaging affects on his temperament as he grows up I know you want what is best for him which is why you came here, but I cannot stress enough how important it is to get his eyes done quickly I absolutely agree SharpeiRescue... Which is why I am oh so frustrated about getting something done. Like I mentioned in an earlier post just now, he is booked in for his first eye tacking on Monday by a fantastic Vet. We saw her last night and she is brilliant.. very happy with her so far. Hopefully this will at least help him see although underneath those lids he also has the 2nd lids up as defence, but she didn't seem too concerned about that. We still can't see his eyes, she mentioned she saw a lot of redness and irritation, and suspects the eyeballs are far back, like the 2nd lids having come out - she thinks this may be a defence thing. First things first though.... Hopefully all goes well, I was so worried i didn't get a chance to ask her how much this would cost us.. !? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 His eyes may already be permanently damaged . I hope you will do your darndest to pass on info to the people from whom you bought this poor little scrap . They sound as if they have not much idea of what they are doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim & Tanya Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 did you happen to watch Bondi Vet last night? They had a Sharpei with this condition, only taking stiches out though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peibe_Baby Posted April 30, 2009 Author Share Posted April 30, 2009 did you happen to watch Bondi Vet last night? They had a Sharpei with this condition, only taking stiches out though... BUGGER!!! I missed it again... That's ok, i can watch it online through Channel 10.. I did that when I missed the actual surgery also... Will watch it tonight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miranda Posted May 1, 2009 Share Posted May 1, 2009 I know that you're probably already attached to the dog and what I'm going to say sounds heartless, but really this puppy should be returned to the breeder and you should receive a full refund. Selling a puppy that's going to need ongoing expensive surgery to an unsuspecting member of the public isn't the right thing to do and that's putting it mildly. I cannot believe that a person who calls themselves a 'breeder' of shar pei can be so ignorant of the breed and the genetic conditions associated with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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