lovemesideways Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 Personally I wouldn't buy a puppy that showed no interest in human contact. Ditto. There are a LOT of GSD breeders in NSW alone, go for a different one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumabaar Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 I would go back for another visit because as a breeder I have been in that exact situation with tired puppies. Second time round isit on meeting the mother properly and if no better walk away I agree with this. I have always tried to organise people to come around feeding time but have had people come post feeding/playing and in all honesty my pups did whinge about being picked up because they had been zooming for an hr!! That being said- my bitch was throwing herself on the visitors because SHE wanted attention, and why were the little brown blobs being played with when she was around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacqui835 Posted December 18, 2011 Author Share Posted December 18, 2011 I think that's what disturbs me more having listened to you guys. It's possible the puppies were just tired and so a bit moody but the fact that the mum was the same I now think is not a good sign. She said the owner tried to call her for a while and nothing. She is reluctant to go back because the breeder was already pushing for a deposit so I think maybe, since like esky said she can be a bit picky with gsd's they can avoid taking any chances. I also want her to find a breeder she likes, so she has someone she feels comfortable talking to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atanquin Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 Putting the dogs behaviour aside I wouldn't want to go back because of the pushy behaviour of the breeder I hate pushy people and I would feel like she's not really interested in the best homes for them. But that's how I would feel like I said I hate pushy people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozstar Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 There does seem to be a few bells going off, pups not interested even with the breeder, mother ignoring the breeder and breeder pushing for a deposit. I would be going to look at other breeders, even if I had liked the pups/breeder I would still look at others just to make sure. Also not sure if you have advised her to make sure that the parents have had all the required health tests needed for the breed. Also remember that Mum may not look the best, the pups take a lot out of them and they can look skinny and hairless by the time the pups are ready to leave but they should look bright, happy and healthy. I have had puppies that have been tired when having potential buyers visit but they would still come and curl up in a lap or two. Leanne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
**Super_Dogs** Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 I also would not buy a puppy that is not interested in human contact. I do not have the same breed but at seven week my last litter loved human attention and as therefor I could not sit on the ground with them all at this age - Puppy attack Even if they had just had a big play and where tired there would always be a few of the puppies (the more social ones) that would get up and come over to see me. As for my bitch - she was more demanding for attention from vistors that normal. One lady when she came over had my bitch pulling on her pants for attention - she had never done this before!! Like others have mentioned, maybe the pups have not had alot of human contact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdierikx Posted December 18, 2011 Share Posted December 18, 2011 I've only had a few litters over the years, but whenever anyone came to see our pups, mum dog was the most demanding of attention - like "forget them - play with me"... and our pups were very used to being handled by "strangers", as all of my friends would come and play with them... I'd be walking away from this particular litter (and breeder)... and walking fast... T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Danni Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 Like Echo said, puppies can vary depending on the time of day and what has already been going on. If you are the third lot of visitors that morning, the pups may just be exhausted and a bit "over it" - they cant be "on" all of the time. Is there also the possiblility that the pups had been vaccinated that day or the day before? That has made some of our pups very quiet in the past and may explain the crying when being picked up. What worries me far more than the pups is the mother. Her reaction is not normal sounding for a GSD bitch with a young litter. I would be concerned at either her temperament or her health. If your friend likes the litter, the father and the breeder, then she should schedule another visit (not at lunchtime, either early or late) to see the pups. Otherwise, she should keep looking. There are plenty of us around! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raineth Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 The puppy I bought (from a reg breeder) was like that and he turned out to have a very difficult temperament (not motivated by anything, never that keen on human interaction). So I would say don't buy a puppy like that. hopefully she'll have more luck with another breeder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blitz3 Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 i would be worried that a puppy from a litter like that would turn into a fear biter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mumtoshelley Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 I got Shelley my golden retriever at 14 weeks old, When I meet her she was very timid/shy she didn't run up to me wanting pats/cuddles. Shelley didn't even wag her tail when we first meet, I still got her as I loved her looks.We were staying at my boyfriends mothers house for the night,She doesn't have a yard. That night I put a collar and lead on to take her outside to toilet she peed herself cause she was so scared. She would cower at the slightest noise or movement, If you raised your hand she would cower thats how frighten she was. When we got home I worked with her alot, If I wanted her to come to me I had to sit real still cause any sudden movements would make her scared. I worked with her each and everyday for 20 minutes 2 to 3 times a day. Took about a week for her to wag her tail, took another 3-4 weeks to overcome her fears of noises and sudden movements. Cause of all the hard work I put into Shelley she is know the most affectant dog loves to be patted/cuddled, Follows me everywhere. She still is scared of some movements and noises but she is hell of alot better then what she was. She is fairly protective of me specially at night time she doe2s bark and show bristles. Shelley also dislikes people wearing hats she barks them but stops when I tell her. Shelley also will not allow people to go near her unless I am with her due to the fact she was almost stolen when she was a puppy. I guess what I am saying is these puppies can turn out to be great pets if the owners are willing to put in the time and patience to work with them. It would be hard work but in the long run the owners could form a very strong bond to the dog and the dog to the owner, But in saying that some dogs may not come around and stay that way for life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megan_ Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 I wouldn't want a fearful dog combined with a powerful, protective breed (well, I wouldn't want a fearful dog full stop). As others have said, plenty of great GSD options, I'd go for one of those. Read T's thread in the breeders section re: PTS pups about a litter of puppies who displayed similar behaviour (I'm not saying these should be PTS, I'd just steer clear)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huski Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 I got Shelley my golden retriever at 14 weeks old, When I meet her she was very timid/shy she didn't run up to me wanting pats/cuddles. Shelley didn't even wag her tail when we first meet, I still got her as I loved her looks.We were staying at my boyfriends mothers house for the night,She doesn't have a yard. That night I put a collar and lead on to take her outside to toilet she peed herself cause she was so scared. She would cower at the slightest noise or movement, If you raised your hand she would cower thats how frighten she was. When we got home I worked with her alot, If I wanted her to come to me I had to sit real still cause any sudden movements would make her scared. I worked with her each and everyday for 20 minutes 2 to 3 times a day. Took about a week for her to wag her tail, took another 3-4 weeks to overcome her fears of noises and sudden movements. Cause of all the hard work I put into Shelley she is know the most affectant dog loves to be patted/cuddled, Follows me everywhere. She still is scared of some movements and noises but she is hell of alot better then what she was. She is fairly protective of me specially at night time she doe2s bark and show bristles. Shelley also dislikes people wearing hats she barks them but stops when I tell her. Shelley also will not allow people to go near her unless I am with her due to the fact she was almost stolen when she was a puppy. I guess what I am saying is these puppies can turn out to be great pets if the owners are willing to put in the time and patience to work with them. It would be hard work but in the long run the owners could form a very strong bond to the dog and the dog to the owner, But in saying that some dogs may not come around and stay that way for life. Sure you can work with a dog with issues, but why make it harder for yourself than it needs to be? I'd never recommend anyone buy a puppy like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sausy.dog Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 I got Shelley my golden retriever at 14 weeks old, When I meet her she was very timid/shy she didn't run up to me wanting pats/cuddles. Shelley didn't even wag her tail when we first meet, I still got her as I loved her looks.We were staying at my boyfriends mothers house for the night,She doesn't have a yard. That night I put a collar and lead on to take her outside to toilet she peed herself cause she was so scared. She would cower at the slightest noise or movement, If you raised your hand she would cower thats how frighten she was. When we got home I worked with her alot, If I wanted her to come to me I had to sit real still cause any sudden movements would make her scared. I worked with her each and everyday for 20 minutes 2 to 3 times a day. Took about a week for her to wag her tail, took another 3-4 weeks to overcome her fears of noises and sudden movements. Cause of all the hard work I put into Shelley she is know the most affectant dog loves to be patted/cuddled, Follows me everywhere. She still is scared of some movements and noises but she is hell of alot better then what she was. She is fairly protective of me specially at night time she doe2s bark and show bristles. Shelley also dislikes people wearing hats she barks them but stops when I tell her. Shelley also will not allow people to go near her unless I am with her due to the fact she was almost stolen when she was a puppy. I guess what I am saying is these puppies can turn out to be great pets if the owners are willing to put in the time and patience to work with them. It would be hard work but in the long run the owners could form a very strong bond to the dog and the dog to the owner, But in saying that some dogs may not come around and stay that way for life. Sure you can work with a dog with issues, but why make it harder for yourself than it needs to be? I'd never recommend anyone buy a puppy like that. I agree with Huski. Well done on your patience and perseverance but at 14 weeks they have been pretty much shaped into the dogs they will become. I would also never recommend somebody buy a puppy that is that timid at that age especially if they had limited experience with dogs. Again, that is not to take away anything you have done, you have obviously done a brilliant job solicialising a very difficult puppy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SparkyTansy Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 Agree with others and my Alarm bells would be going off at the refusal to interact with the breeder (both puppies and the dam). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacqui835 Posted December 19, 2011 Author Share Posted December 19, 2011 I think it's beautiful what you have mumtoshelley, but as these guys have not had a lot of experience with dogs, and the only breed they want is a GSD (I stopped them buying a shepherd/cross? from a pet store) I am sure they will face plenty of challenges as it is without adding to the list. A timid GSD would not be an easy dog to manage. All good though, she's meeting up with another breeder this week so hopefully she has a very different experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mumtoshelley Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 I do agree with you huski getting a puppy like my Shelley or these GSD is alot of work probably to much for unexperienced dog owners. I know it took alot out of me with Shelley, It took a full year to 2 years for Shelley and I to form a strong bond but now nothing can break that bond. I even contacted some behavourist and they even put Shelley in the too hard basket.Shelley required a loving home and I was willing to give it and I was willing to work with her. I'm so glad I did tho cause she has turned out to be a great dog. Jacqui835 so glad your friend has decided to go see another breeder hopefully this breeder and her dogs are alot better. No one should feel presured into doing anything, The first breeder should not been so pushy with your friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freundhund Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 Hi Jacquie Please check your PM's I have sent you the details of a couple of litters, I would highly recommend. Neither are listed for sale yet but are from very good breeders. Cheers Diva's mum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Fox Posted December 19, 2011 Share Posted December 19, 2011 Sure you can work with a dog with issues, but why make it harder for yourself than it needs to be? I'd never recommend anyone buy a puppy like that. Ditto. Why start with a problem? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poodlemum Posted December 20, 2011 Share Posted December 20, 2011 All I can say, judging from 17+ years of breeding dogs, is that I agree with those who say don't touch one of these puppies - something sounds seriously wrong with the bahaviour of the puppies (although they COULD have been tired) but definitely with the behaviour of the dam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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