ruthless Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 Yikes, if he's offlead on the footpath and he gets a scare he could be under the wheels of a car in the blink of an eye. You owe it to him to keep him safe from harm. Besides that, it's illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorilla Posted December 28, 2011 Author Share Posted December 28, 2011 Thanks SK for that post, helps alot. Cheers ruthless, I live in a little cul de sac, I know that's no excuse though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redangel Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 You said that you took Mojo to the vet. Was he/she not concerned that he was underage?? I am curious that if you are a germaphobe why you entered dog ownership...what do you want from owning a dog Gorilla? Companionship? Does your vet do puppy preschool because I feel that you & Mojo might well benefit from attending it. For the record as far as wild dogs go in the survival stakes they are hardly comparable to a domestic dog (aside from some behaviours)which has been domesticated and reliant on human provision of needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorilla Posted December 28, 2011 Author Share Posted December 28, 2011 Redangel, they didnt have any concern about the age, they said 6 weeks is fine. And yep, we are booked in for the training next month. I was being a bit sarcastic when I said germaphobe. Main reason I got a dog (And this kind) is companionship, especially walking him everyday, and to scare off any intruders, as we have had a few break-ins in the street this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 and to scare off any intruders, as we have had a few break-ins in the street this year Doesn't have to be an amstaff to do that job ! Anything black/brindle with a bark will do , most times ! also- to do that effectively , a dog needs to be seen at a front window/inside the front door etc , as well as in a back yard ..otherwise the baddies just come in the front way to avoid the backyard dog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbi Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 To the OP please dont think that you are being attacked about how you choose to keep your pup but please consider the advice that you are being given by some very experienced trainers/breeders/owners. Bull Breeds are very different to own than a Maltese or other small dog, they have so much enthusiasm,tenacity and energy and it is SO important that it is focussed in the appropriate direction. When you take on any pup you are taking on a big responsibility but a Bull Breed brings about even more responsibility. This dog must be correctly socialised and trained, he must be very much a family member and included in your life, Bull Breeds love being with their people not left to their own devices. There are 100s of Amstaffs and their crosses that get surrended to pounds every day because people cant deal with an adolescent Bullie who hasn't been given a good early foundation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
perrin Posted December 28, 2011 Share Posted December 28, 2011 (edited) Ok i had a quick read so apologies if i missed anything. We have severe asthma and allergies in our house as well so i can understand your concern. What we do is limit the areas that our dog can go in. Eg no access to bedrooms at all. Our dog sleeps crated in the laundry which is not enclosed but near the toilet so she can still feel part of the family. Because we no longer have carpets she is allowed in the kitchen, loungeroom and hallway. Definitely not on the lounge. Our dog has a mat that she can come in and lay on inside if she wants or she can go to her crate. She sleeps inside at night. One of the reasons is that there are a lot of dogs around here that bark at night and i don't want her to become a barker as i know how annoying it is trying to get some sleep when you just can't! Also we have a thin coated Dalmatian so sleeping outside over winter isn't going to happen even with a coat on. In summer she sometimes chooses to go outside during the night and stay out. You can have a dog inside but you just have to work out what works and what doesn't. I'm a bit of a germaphobe too so i know what you mean. I leave a mat outside the door so that our dog wipes her paws before coming inside and it is something you can train your dog to do. And you know dogs are pretty smart so house training normally doesn't take that long at all. In regards to having no digging areas in your backyard. Perhaps invest in a clam shell or two or three and put sand and dirt and toys in there and teach your little guy that it's okay to dig in there and make a mess. A puppy as young as yours really needs to be with you. He's still young and learning and what he learns now will impact on how he grows up. I would suggest looking into crate training and then gradually move him outside if that is your wish when he is older. But i think at this stage (and from what i have read about Staffords) they are family dogs and he needs to feel secure. Edited December 28, 2011 by perrin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorilla Posted December 29, 2011 Author Share Posted December 29, 2011 Robbi, Thanks for that, I am taking everything in as good advice, as I know you guys are the pros/more experienced. Yesterday Mojo spent time at my inlaws who have a huge back yard and 2 dogs. One is a fox terrier, the other is [i have no idea] small as well. The Fox Terrier kept barking at him (From a distance) and the other dog was ok with him at first, but after a while seemed scared. Kept running away. Perrin, great idea re the clam shell! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mumof4girls Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 Perrin what a lovely informative post :-) Ok i had a quick read so apologies if i missed anything. We have severe asthma and allergies in our house as well so i can understand your concern. What we do is limit the areas that our dog can go in. Eg no access to bedrooms at all. Our dog sleeps crated in the laundry which is not enclosed but near the toilet so she can still feel part of the family. Because we no longer have carpets she is allowed in the kitchen, loungeroom and hallway. Definitely not on the lounge. Our dog has a mat that she can come in and lay on inside if she wants or she can go to her crate. She sleeps inside at night. One of the reasons is that there are a lot of dogs around here that bark at night and i don't want her to become a barker as i know how annoying it is trying to get some sleep when you just can't! Also we have a thin coated Dalmatian so sleeping outside over winter isn't going to happen even with a coat on. In summer she sometimes chooses to go outside during the night and stay out. You can have a dog inside but you just have to work out what works and what doesn't. I'm a bit of a germaphobe too so i know what you mean. I leave a mat outside the door so that our dog wipes her paws before coming inside and it is something you can train your dog to do. And you know dogs are pretty smart so house training normally doesn't take that long at all. In regards to having no digging areas in your backyard. Perhaps invest in a clam shell or two or three and put sand and dirt and toys in there and teach your little guy that it's okay to dig in there and make a mess. A puppy as young as yours really needs to be with you. He's still young and learning and what he learns now will impact on how he grows up. I would suggest looking into crate training and then gradually move him outside if that is your wish when he is older. But i think at this stage (and from what i have read about Staffords) they are family dogs and he needs to feel secure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitkatswing Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 Im in two minds at the moment... Mainly because I kind of saw myself in the OP's feet when we first got Maui. We picked him up at 7 weeks old, he is now 14 months old. He was ready to leave his littermates and was already on many different varieties of solid food. He bonded to my husband and I really well in those first few weeks. I always said he would be an outside dog, not on the bed, not on the couch, dogs belong outside.. Sigh... that didnt last and the little butthead has won my heart and now sleep on the bed most mornings (starts off on his mat on the floor)... Maui was trained to walk offlead from the very very beginning. He wont cross a road unless he is told he can, he wont even go on the road, even to chase his favourite ball, or a neighbourhood cat. Trainign him at such a young age has worked perfectly for us. But then again everyone is different. My husband had the time to put into Maui, he works from home, so was home all day with him. (and dont I know it, those two have bonded in such a cute way!!!) We also have a concrete backyard, but have one clamshell with sand in it, we have also just renovated and now Maui has his own section of real grass!!! (Will find photo and post) We also bought a section of fake grass for his to wee and poo on, which he does perfectly, he was toilet training by 3 months old.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persephone Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 KKW.. I remember maui is luckily not a bull breed ..and has not the BSL shadow looming large, should his owner ever let him make a mistake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Animal House Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 Why train him to walk offlead when it is illegal? There is no guarantee your dog won't run across the road, and get killed, or worse still, cause an accident. Keep him on the lead like everyone else has to please, for his safety and everyone elses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitkatswing Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 KKW.. I remember maui is luckily not a bull breed ..and has not the BSL shadow looming large, should his owner ever let him make a mistake Yep, I got pretty much the same reaction the OP is getting too... Boy is my face red now!! Bite me: Maui walks offlead many places that its allowed, when we go anywhere else, or along a main road, he is off course leashed then.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flame ryder Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 This post caught my eye because my puppy also had sore pads/feet. (only the bottom pads not the top of the toes) We worked out he got sore feet from pacing his yard which is paved. I guess he'd never been exposed to pavers before. He only stays in the yard while I am at work, he don't really like it too much but it's necessary as at 13 weeks he is like a 2 year old kid and would get into too much trouble if left to wander about the house/property un-supervised for the few hours I work. Lucky for him I only work part-time. I took him to the beach because I think it helps relieve his sore feet...salt water is good for that sort of thing. I didn't let him walk up on the soft sand, only walked on the hard sand and paddled in the water. We've been a few times now and he loves it. I can't see how there can be a risk of parvo where the water constantly washes on the sand...also the beaches we go to are pretty remote anyway. So i'd say yeah take your little puppy to the beach and let him dip his sore feet in the ocean. There are also products on the market that can help harden puppies pads...do a search on here...I found something in another post about sore pads. But probably only time will cure his feet as they will gradually harden as he gets used to his new environment. My puppy's feet have improved alot in just a few weeks...already he is getting tougher! By the way I have 3 dogs and one of mine is a MoJo too...must be a popular name now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WExtremeG Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 as at 13 weeks he is like a 2 year old kid and would get into too much trouble if left to wander about the house/property un-supervised for the few hours I work. Lucky for him I only work part-time.I took him to the beach because I think it helps relieve his sore feet...salt water is good for that sort of thing. I didn't let him walk up on the soft sand, only walked on the hard sand and paddled in the water. We've been a few times now and he loves it. I can't see how there can be a risk of parvo where the water constantly washes on the sand...also the beaches we go to are pretty remote anyway. Hasn't your pup had his 2nd vaccinations yet? You wouldn't have to worry about Parvo if he had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WExtremeG Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 OP, you've received some great advice- and hopefully your pups on the mend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
❤LovesPoodles❤ Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 Redangel, they didnt have any concern about the age, they said 6 weeks is fine. And yep, we are booked in for the training next month. I was being a bit sarcastic when I said germaphobe. Main reason I got a dog (And this kind) is companionship, especially walking him everyday, and to scare off any intruders, as we have had a few break-ins in the street this year Really? My sister got a pup at 6 weeks we took it to the vet and the vet was totally against it! Not only is it illegal as pointed out (which is reason enough for your vet not to be fine with it, it is the law for a reason! ) they said they need the extra 2 weeks after vaccine with their litter and mum for pup to benefit vaccine better or something and the social aspects. I'm sorry but I just can't comprehend a registered breeder doing this and then a vet being fine with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dancinbcs Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 Redangel, they didnt have any concern about the age, they said 6 weeks is fine. And yep, we are booked in for the training next month. I was being a bit sarcastic when I said germaphobe. Main reason I got a dog (And this kind) is companionship, especially walking him everyday, and to scare off any intruders, as we have had a few break-ins in the street this year Really? My sister got a pup at 6 weeks we took it to the vet and the vet was totally against it! Not only is it illegal as pointed out (which is reason enough for your vet not to be fine with it, it is the law for a reason! ) they said they need the extra 2 weeks after vaccine with their litter and mum for pup to benefit vaccine better or something and the social aspects. I'm sorry but I just can't comprehend a registered breeder doing this and then a vet being fine with it. The OP has still not confirmed if the breeder is registered or what papers they got with the puppy. The vet is an idiot if they do not know the law and I am still not convinced that the feet are normal. Normal feet should not be able to spread like that. If it is the tiles causing it then it will continue to get worse as the dog grows if this is the surface it lives on. Threads like this make me really sad and angry. Irresponsible breeders selling bull breeds to owners who haven't got a clue about how to raise a puppy and vets compounding the problem. No wonder there are problem dogs around and pounds full of dumped dogs like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mumof4girls Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 Redangel, they didnt have any concern about the age, they said 6 weeks is fine. And yep, we are booked in for the training next month. I was being a bit sarcastic when I said germaphobe. Main reason I got a dog (And this kind) is companionship, especially walking him everyday, and to scare off any intruders, as we have had a few break-ins in the street this year Really? My sister got a pup at 6 weeks we took it to the vet and the vet was totally against it! Not only is it illegal as pointed out (which is reason enough for your vet not to be fine with it, it is the law for a reason! ) they said they need the extra 2 weeks after vaccine with their litter and mum for pup to benefit vaccine better or something and the social aspects. I'm sorry but I just can't comprehend a registered breeder doing this and then a vet being fine with it. The OP has still not confirmed if the breeder is registered or what papers they got with the puppy. The vet is an idiot if they do not know the law and I am still not convinced that the feet are normal. Normal feet should not be able to spread like that. If it is the tiles causing it then it will continue to get worse as the dog grows if this is the surface it lives on. Threads like this make me really sad and angry. Irresponsible breeders selling bull breeds to owners who haven't got a clue about how to raise a puppy and vets compounding the problem. No wonder there are problem dogs around and pounds full of dumped dogs like this. I agree :-( but listen to this.. My OH was talking to our neighbour who brought a American staffodshire bull terrier ( hope I got that right I am not familiar with this breed :-) anyway he was asking when our pup is getting here . When my OH said 8 weeks, he was amazed as he got his pup at wait for it 4 weeks!!! No papers and byb.. I felt sick when he told me, I am still shocked.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WExtremeG Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 (edited) I agree :-( but listen to this.. My OH was talking to our neighbour who brought a American staffodshire bull terrier ( hope I got that right I am not familiar with this breed :-) anyway he was asking when our pup is getting here . When my OH said 8 weeks, he was amazed as he got his pup at wait for it 4 weeks!!! No papers and byb.. I felt sick when he told me, I am still shocked.. That's absolutely disgusting. I wish there was a crackdown on these (and all) bybs. Spit them out, sell them early - make money. What C**** Edited December 29, 2011 by F11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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